Were we unfair to him?

were we unfair to him?

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Not really. He turned into an ugly creepy greaseball who hung out with children. It's sad because he was basically a sex symbol beforehand.

No way man. He was a pedophile, plain and simple. The worlds most talented pedophile but a kiddie fucker all the same and he deserved all the scrutiny he got and he is DAMN lucky that he's dead because if he was still alive it would have been much, much worse for him and he would have deserved every bit of it and more.
Now he's paying the price.

It's a mixed bag. The media began to take the piss as they do, but his life was an out of control circus and he put himself in precarious positions that ultimately led to his career stalling and melting down. He was just too fucking big though, so anyone who said something he didn't like probably got the boot.

No fuck that pedophile, I'm glad he's dead. I never really liked his music anyways.

Most of you who say you do are just hypocrites who like this old dead mentally ill faggot because he's dead and it's 'cool' now.

>people still believe that he was a kid fiddler

Price as in the $750 million haul his estate just brought in?

Ever see his fans on Youtube comment sections? They will absolutely not hear any of it and will viciously try and suffocate you if you say one bad word against him.

>MUH CHILDHOOD

he got what he asked for

but then again, 99% of the shit he asked for came as a result of all the fucked up abuse he endured as a child

>Most of you who say you do are just hypocrites who like this old dead mentally ill faggot because he's dead and it's 'cool' now.
Are you a fucking idiot? His music was fucking insanely popular and well loved for decades. Now it's not okay to like it anymore just because he died? Fuck you.

A completely tarnished legacy is worth more, I think.

He’s dead, and to me it ain’t that fuckin’ sad

What I'm saying is most of his new 'fans' are just people hopping on the dead artist bandwagon, and even worse, it's the bandwagon for a dead kid fucking creep.

No it was at least a 30 year slide into degeneracy. He died from sedation which means he counteracting powerful stimulants to function everymorning.

I like the man and the music.

His two big mistakes were not releasing banging extended 12" mixes of his songs and tapping some boi puci also known as Mcaulay Culkin while high fiving Joe Pesci. (don't believe me ? look it it up. its what he spent half of hios royalties covering up.

Well if our society proved anything its that people are quick to forget. You rarely ever hear negative shit or jokes about him now, but 10 years ago you wouldn't have even mentioned if you were a fan of his music because his name was that dirty. Now every normalfag loves him and he makes more than he ever did alive. Strong candidate pedophile? w/e dude hes a legend with no childhood xD

i would let 80's michael do whatever he wanted to me

touchy subject

how much do you think michael jackson's entire catalogue is worth now? $5 bil?

No one in pop culture/entertainment history has ever fell as hard as MJ. He should have been an undisputed GOAT but his image is tarnished and opinion will forever be divided even if his fans try and suppress negativity after his death. Go ahead right now and look at this mugshot and tell me it isn't the biggest JUST moment in music, especially if you are old enough to remember seeing this stretched across the front page of newspapers in 2003. I still struggle to stare at it for long.

His own catalogue is probably worth a few hundred million, but his kike estate sold off the ATV/Beatles stuff for $750 million a few months ago. Something Jackson said he would NEVER sell. I guess the lawyers and family can't satisfy their thirst for the dollar.

is ATV the one with the Beatles stuff? who bought that? mcartney?

MJ was in such financial fuckery by the 90s that he split the catalogue with his label in Sony Music, a clean 50/50. It's the biggest and most valuable musical catalogue in existence with thousands of songs over decades, so he got about $100 million up front for splitting it with Sony and then 50% of all continued royalties it generated, he blew all of that as well. There was some clause that allowed one party to buy out the other sides share, but I don't recall what triggered it recently. I think MJ's estate was looking to sell to the highest bidder and Sony didn't want to be sharing with partners they didn't know, hence they went for it all.

Gave MJ the biggest single year payday in music history, which he thankfully won't be around to burn through.

how the fuck did he fall apart so bad in the span of like, five years?

Yes
The only thing is is guilty of is abusing narcotics and doctor shopping.

Fuck Tom Sneddon

I think the most commonly accepted reasoning was when his hair was set on fire during that video shoot and he had to be hospitalized, it was pretty much the catalyst for his downfall.

He was basically a second James Brown.
Very influential musician but as a person he was fucked up because of how he was treated as a child.

The 1993 trial which he settled out of court. It's a touchy subject and both sides are in the wrong to a degree, really messy fucking subject. Either way you spin it, he still didn't learn his lesson and 10 years later he went to court and even in victory his reputation was absolutely slaughtered.

His life is crazy fascinating obviously because of all this shit. I've been reading him up in detail for years on and off to the point where I used to be a diehard fan and sympathised with him, to in the past two years enjoying the music but really re-evaluating the fucked up man behind it all. In the wake of his death a lot of footage leaked out and continues to do so. Gives interesting insight to him.

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Underrated post.

dude those rights and royalties got sold of and homogenized between corporate lawyers at least 20 years ago. Not even sure what you your point DESU

also just watched moonwalker in 1080p the other day. I wish i could let some good producers make some music for me with cutting edge digital drum machines and then pay 5 small special effect houses 10 million a piece to push the envelope of in camera effects and then glue it all together with concert footage to make a modern cinema tour de force

{i am not sure if i am being ironic or not} [help]

he wasnt a pedo. Yes he was abit of weirdo but he was a legend.

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here we go again

I personally know one of the prosecutors in Santa Maria involved in his trial. If he did not have the sheer amount of financial resources at his disposal, he would be imprisoned to this day. His defense team were able to block the most damning evidence that would have resulted in the public knowing definitively that he was guilty.

Also, he died on my birthday...good riddance to true pedo.

Any idea what they had blocked? Was it to do with the articles last month that detailed torture and nude boy books?

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>this was uploaded the day after he was found dead

Why the fuck would you sell off the Beatles catalog BEFORE McCartney'so death?

Do niggas understand how demand works in music at all jfc

Why do black people go to the ends of the Earth defending their 1980s celebrities?
>OJ Simpson
>Michael Jackson
>Bill Cosby
>Whitney Houston (didn't really do anything that bad but people act like she was a saint in life)
If you ever want to see something spooky, visit a Michael Jackson fan page on Facebook.

>mfw people will believe he's a fiddler because the media will them he is

You people are sheep.
You all probably believe Oswald was a lone killer

>Says this as he post on a Indonesian picture board worships Hitler, Columbine Shooters, and Elliot Rogers

Other than that , Varg Vikernes gets a pass on Sup Forums despite he's a racist and a murderer

Nobody claims that Varg didn't burn those churches down or that he isn't a racist, plenty of people claim that Michael Jackson or OJ were innocent.

>despite he's a racist
You say this like it's a bad thing.

>Nobody claims that Varg didn't burn those churches down or that he isn't a racist

But they still defend him and still listen to his music. I guess murder and Arson is a lesser crime than molestation then.

>plenty of people claim that Michael Jackson or OJ were innocent
Just like Michael Gira. Anyone is innocent until proven guilty. There was not enough proof that Jackson and Gira actually did anything

Leave gira out of this. Please delete this post

He became obsessed with plastic surgery after that incident where his hair caught on fire and throughout the years had problems with drug addiction that was kind of glossed over most of the time. During the last couple years or so before his death it became obvious that he was pretty fried from drugs. I don't have it saved but there's an article from a celeb journalist who visited Michael and it was ridiculously awkward because he was barely lucid and just repeated the same things about his life over and over before falling asleep.

>murder and arson is a lesser crime than child molestation
If Varg's version of the story is true, then killing in self-defence and arson are lesser crimes than child molestation. Even if he's lying, it's still kind of worse to molest a bunch of children.
>there was not enough proof that Jackson and Gira did anything
Well, there's no actual evidence that Michael Gira raped anyone, but there's plenty of evidence that Jackson really did it. He just had great lawyers, like OJ.

Wasn't Gira just a single rape claim or was there more?

Jackson paid out millions to multiple boys, lavished them and their families with gifts then spooned with them and "supposedly" masturbated and gave them blowjobs in the secret closet room hidden behind locks in his house. If anyone came close he had a personal alarm system that alerted him to someone approaching the room.

It's really hard to defend him but his fans are absolutely insane.

THAT NIGGA GAVE US BILLIE JEAN
YOU SAY HE TOUCHED THOSE KIDS

>but there's plenty of evidence that Jackson really did it

Majority of them are just allegation


>Jackson paid out millions to multiple boys
But it wasn't out of guilt. It was just to make the parents stop extorting him on bullshit stories

Look up Michael Chadler. Even he says himself he didn't molest him and it was all a set up.

Yeah man totally. It's normal for a middle aged man to invite children over to his themepark house, give them wine, show them porn and sleep in the same bed as them.

It is a shame we won't know everything. The 1993 or 2003 kid should say something for christ sake.

I'd also love to hear from his surgeons and know what exactly he got done. It's fucking insane looking at his face.

What about the detective on the case who said the boys description of Jackson's vitiligo speckled penis matched the strip search. They were ready to bring the hammer down and the boy wouldn't testify. Lucky guess?

>people actually believe that he was a pedo, got plastic surgery to make himself white and is dead

Were we unfair to him?