Listen to your library, show off your backlog, babble about new music, honor the life of /daily/ following it's recovery, be at peace with /rym/, and just let the good times flow.
It's got some pretty cool stuff going on. My favorite part's honestly the last few chords. You definitely have the right idea going on here as sometimes when I am listening to a Fahey track or w/e I want like some kind of Faust on their s/t style whooshy noise stuff to come in, and this takes advantage of that very idea.
A couple tips though:
When you're trying to do the "let the note ring for droney feel" thing, don't entire mute it then go for the next part. In Fahey's earlier stuff for example he used to do that, but by the time he came out with his album America there was a more seamless transition. So like the instant you mute the note start playing the next part ASAP unless you're going for some sorta staccato thing which kinda doesn't make sense since it's note droning.
Another thing that'll really help spice up your parts is having more variety in rhythm/tempo. For the entire eight and half minutes you stayed in one area in general, and I think having like a more faster part come through or have longer drones or anything like that would help give the work more of a feeling of a journey and experience rather than just something that meanders along.
As for the harsh noise stuff, you do start off with the right idea of it fading in that's good, but don't have it just be a linear crescendo/decrescendo throughout. This type of stuff works best when its far wilder in dynamics. Make the noise itself feel like some sort of a living breathing thing that way, ya know?
Last thing to note is about what you're playing as the noise gets louder. I think that unless for specific purposes, your guitar should always be above the noise mix wise; even more so if the noise moves so linearly as it did in this piece. It would also be cool as shit to see more moments like the last part where the guitar part changes as a response to the noise.
John Lewis
based
Cooper Watson
ama
William Powell
Proof that free jazz and other "experimental" music is actually piss easy to make but nobody around here knows shit about music thus they use their ADD to determine how good it is.
Jackson Phillips
>decrescendo lol
are you still doing an aoty list?
Matthew Baker
I think I've only listened to two new releases since early June
Juan Diaz
Pauline Oliveros, Stuart Dempster & Panaiotis - Deep Listening (1989) >drone, dark ambient
Very new agey, but the absolute best fucking kind of new agey. Every single instrument and sound and note here is put together immaculately to create possibly the most ethereal and soothing music of all time, and the pieces themselves are worthwhile beyond simply being pretty. Each piece manages to progress in such a subtle way while still maintaining a constant sound or motif, and the way the instruments here (accordian, didgeridu, shells, pipes) get layered upon other instruments, transforming a simple drone into something worthy of the best damn movie about space ever, is incredible to listen to. A bit too long, but wonderful nonetheless.
3.5
John Rogers
>being this mad I used decresc instead of dim >being this autistic
Experimental masterpiece. So unique and amazing! Not like those boring ass musicians who actually put care into songwriting and composition.
Dylan Collins
that song was shit but composition is a meme
Brayden Martinez
hehe
Joseph Cox
Nah, composition is the only thing that's real, famoriarty. Execution>>>>concept. Mastery>>>>>innovation.
Ryder Russell
are you implying that NEW NEW NEW isnt a masterpiece
Jackson Carter
I literally called it a masterpiece, you pleb. Pay attention.
Dominic Reyes
Thank you very much for this advice, it's always good to get feedback that gives me a direct route to improving.
Thanks also, to everyone else who have feedback in the last thread. I've had enough motivation and critique here to try and make an album out of the concept. Speaking of which, if I do make an album what should I call it? I'm not great at that sort of thing.
Cooper Cox
Well, why do you call it The Cute to begin with? Maybe we can help suggest from there.
Jace Nelson
Are you insanity?
how you actually feel about it >>> how it measures up to some constructed notion of what constitutes "good", tho, so in any case, "it depends" like there's some autists on rym that in their reviews have seperate ratings for the things that in their mind constitute music like "vocals: 2 stars; variation: 5 stars; innovation: 4 stars" as if there's a checklist for what makes nice sounds, yfm?
since Hype Williams already took 10/10, name yours either >Album of the Year >A Masterpiece >The Most Influental Album
Nathan Taylor
I literally value the exact opposite things I think ambition is one of the most valuable aspects of creating music. I'd much rather hear something fresh, new, and teaming with novel concepts even if the execution is flawed, than a style or sounds that has been perfected but done a thousand times before
Lucas Baker
>vocals: 2 stars; variation: 5 stars; innovation: 4 stars The fuck is this shit?
>how you actually feel about it >>> how it measures up to some constructed notion of what constitutes "good", tho, so in any case, "it depends" Why I still don't have a RYM account and why I still feel uncomfortable giving Fahey records ratings every time I review one.
See I heavily dislike this misconception that someone's not being very ambitious if they aren't making a truly original sound. Bach isn't well known because of his innovations, in fact there were other Baroque composers who did it before him and he learned from them. He's well known because he does it so well; he takes the ideas and makes full use of them.
Or how we get far more out of guys like Stockhausen and more modern electronic composers/producers than the initial guys who invented that stuff because they took more out of that idea and made something out of it.
Or Fahey's constant honing of these new ideas that he brought into an older form of folk music.
Ryan Harris
Victor Gama - Pangeia instrumentos (2003) >experimental, south american folk music
The sound of the instruments are incredibly cool, and it's interesting how these instruments are being used to perform very distinctly modern compositions, but the compositions themselves are quite monotonous and just not all that interesting. They've got some influence from microtonality, but they seem rather sloppy and unfocused, and they get a bit old by the end of the album. The album as a whole does seem like something that'd be much more interesting in person than on record. It is still nice to listen to, and even thought the compositions themselves are a bit stale, the sound of the record itself is rather nice and it gets more compositionally interesting when the strings and horns are brought in.
2.5-
i am so fucking hyped
Ethan Ortiz
I think mastery of a musical style is an essential component to elevating music to reach its full potential, and it certainly gives one the ability to communicate new musical ideas in a more fleshed out and concise ways. I just personally value innovation in music above mastery. Ambition was the wrong word to use. Every musician has ambitions and goals, whether is be to discover new sounds or hone their skills and become great performers. I would argue that what makes stockhausen and Fahey so renowned in their relative fields of music is more due to their innovative spirit and willingness to experiment than the merit of their raw ability as performers. Fahey took the essence of blues, folk, ragtime, which were all aging styles at that point. But he transformed them into a new entity, rather than just creating another blues record in the already vast sea of them.
Joshua Jackson
>I would argue that what makes stockhausen and Fahey so renowned in their relative fields of music is more due to their innovative spirit and willingness to experiment than the merit of their raw ability as performers. If this was true America and FFV wouldn't be the most popular and aggregate highly rated Fahey records, and with Stockhausen the Etudes and Studies would be more popular than Gesang or Kontakt.
Hell, if that was true the French guys from that scene would be more well known than Stockhausen since they approached the ideas first. But they aren't.
Adrian Flores
I'm not saying it's exclusively one thing or the other though. FFV and America are his most respected works because it's a blending of technical prowess and raw innovative passion. I'm just saying I think the latter has more to do with the success than the former. It's better to attempt something new and fail than to stay within one's comfort zone but excel. Both options have value and importance though. True genius lies somewhere in the middles
and I like Kontakt more than his other work. And I like the french scene far more than Stockhausen in general.
Austin Lewis
Now. Faglord.
You suffer but why?
Easton Brooks
It's better to attempt something new and fail than to stay within one's comfort zone but excel That again, implies that trying to do something that already exists really well is "staying in ones own comfort zone" or easy to do. Both can't be further from the truth.
Brayden Diaz
it takes years of practice and hard work to master any instrument or musical style. But there is a metric by which success and skill are measured. To break new ground is to venture into the unknown, there is more inherent risk to it than perfecting something for which the guidelines for excellence have been laid out for years before. Sure the physical exertion and raw work ethic that is required can be more trying, but the possibility of failure is reduced as well. By "comfort zone" I'm talking about what has already been established in art up to that point, it has nothing to do with the actual effort or work that is needed to achieve ones goals.
Xavier Campbell
>By "comfort zone" I'm talking about what has already been established in art up to that point, it has nothing to do with the actual effort or work that is needed to achieve ones goals. Then don't use that term because it implies something completely different. Not to mention that you make it sound like it's about raw technical talent when I am talking more about what are good choices in composition and songwriting to optimize the style.
I would argue that it's actually far harder to make something good out of something done before than make something new since if it sounds innovative, it has that to fall back on. Music that strives for mastery doesn't have that. It needs to be actually good. No flaws none of that crap.
Jace Russell
the only one mad here is you TBHfam
Isaiah Powell
TBHFam, did your dentist ever tell you to flqss
Lol!
Liam Ramirez
Kek&Lel!
Luis Carter
Well I am back on discord so now I live happily ever after.
Nah flossing is a meme you only gotta do right before you see the doctor. Various studies already shown that it doesn't do jack shit.
Kevin Ross
Telescopes - Taste poormans ripoff of Spacemen 3 and Jesus and the Mary Chain
John Fahey - Fare Forward Voyagers Good, remarkable amount of tonality but sometimes it's not easy to follow... Will need more listens of this
It's 4am, I'm going to bed, just finished Downfall and it's left me hollow
Parker Fisher
>good choices in composition That's true. I see that area as sort of a cross roads of innovation and talent. To take already existing forms and arrange them in ways that are fresh
>It needs to be actually good. No flaws none of that crap. Ah, but by simply having a metric for measuring talent and perfection doesn't that inherently make it more prone to success? Discarding the actual effort it takes to master such skills. Which would have a larger probability of failure, to take a 500 question standardized test that you've had months to prepare for, or for one to go in blind and have the professor say "make me something amazing"
I feel like I'm getting off topic from the original discussion but it's an interesting thing to ponder. Skill vs ingenuity.
Brody Richardson
Where's hampus when you need him?
Kevin Wood
>Discarding the actual effort it takes to master such skills. Why the fuck would you do that?
And I think it's less skill vs ingenuity and more a perspective on ingenuity that's not based on surface level innovation.
Anyway stop replying to me, love, I am finally gonna post my long due review of The Voice Of The Turtle.
Jaxon Gomez
Getz has some cool stuff, but overrall much more mediocre than Gilberto.
Frusciante and Evans next.
ayeee
Jaxon Flores
Since you're a /daily/ guy, I think you would probably really appreciate the first Frusciante album a lot more than the ones you're gonna hit, but do hit them then check that one out if you can.
Austin White
>Cohen a 9 FISH CONFIRMED FOR GOOD TASTE
Samuel Clark
I listened to all of the Haino/Ambarchi/O'Rourke pieces over the past few days, and I really enjoyed them, especially the newest.
Could someone put me in the right direction for exploring Haino's solo work? Where do I start?
Easton Price
I'm looking for some decent, active music blogspots - if those even really still exist. Does anyone have any suggestions?
Kayden Gutierrez
The question I was proposing is whether there is more more merit to creating something completely original but flawed, or to succeed in creating something which had preestablished metrics by which worth is measured.
Anyways I can see you're done with this discussion so let's leave it at that
Kayden Nelson
Afrosynthmania is p good
Mason Myers
I haven't forgotten this I just haven't been listening to new music Have you heard any cocorosie yet?
Joshua Ross
Just saying, this is nowhere near as simple as you and hell probably as I am trying to make it out to be. It's what makes it so interesting, no?
Henry Allen
I agree, there's a lot to consider. A lot to think about regarding the conventional ways society sees skill and whether those values can really be correct or not
Jayden Peterson
Just Folk My Shit Up: John Fahey Edition - Day 7
The Voice Of The Turtle
I am not gonna lie I am not only late to review this one because of how busy I have been getting, but also because of me being somewhat unsure about what to really think about this one.
The first time around when I listened to this album I listened to the tracks individually due to the fact that I had to do other work in between. Most of them don't stand up as individual tracks I'll say that much.
Bottleneck Blues is pretty cool with its messing around with, you guessed it, a bottleneck. Bill Cheatum sort of sounds like a mess with the fiddle playing too high in the mix while the guitar is more doing its own thing instead of supplementing the fiddle. Lewisdale Blues and Train seem to do better on this end with both the lead extra instrument and Fahey's guitar working together. The Bean Vine Blues tracks aren't bad, but they don't really move around much. Then you got a couple tracks with vocals in them which kinda sound cool since the vocals are more country sounding while the guitars are still the more interesting folk kinda stuff.
Continued in next post
Isaiah Morales
As for the standouts from this album as singular tracks, it's gotta be the longer ones.
A Raga Called Pat part 3 and part 4 continues on with Fahey's experiments with signal processing plus….Buddhist Monks? The monks, the gamelan thing, and the general studio messing around with space and dynamics make these always work. It still kinda baffles me that some folk dude of all people was messing with this kind of stuff.
The Story Of Dorothy Gooch has a lot of my personal favorite high points on this album with how much the track moves around while also interspersing it other non-guitar sounds. A lot of drone, a lot of that cool rhythmical strumming thing Fahey does that I love, very cool.
So ultimately there are three real tracks that one would normally really wanna check out from this album. The other tracks are weak on their own it seems.
But what if one listens to this album as a whole from beginning to end? Well, a lot of what I thought earlier kinda goes out the window.
Continued in next post
Charles Taylor
Rather than just an album with a variety of folk blues raga country traditional etc. going on bit by bit and just various non-cohesive bits of those, we got ourselves a full on kind weird sound collage.
Rather than a guy just playing the variety of music that he likes, it's all of a sudden a weird surreal journey portrayed through a variety of different styles representing different stages of that journey.
Considering that the music starts off in a nice, serene, and calm way, then proceeds to get really weird, then sort of normals itself out but still occasionally going back to the weirdness for a bit (there's a particular part in A Raga Called Pat parts 3 and 4 that appears in TSODG and the final track implying that whatever the fuck it is you got into then got out of in the journey hasn't possibly left you.)
3.5/5 2.5/5 if you care more for individual tracks than the whole thing
For those who like some nifty folk stuff, the tracks I recommend you check out at least from this one are
A Raga Called Pat, Part III A Raga Called Pat, Part IV The Story Of Dorothy Grouch, Part I
Julian Watson
So far:
John Fahey - Blind Joe Death: 3.5/5 John Fahey - Death Chants, Breakdowns & Military Waltzes: 3/5 John Fahey - The Dance Of Death And Other Plantation Favorites: 3.5/5 John Fahey - The Transfiguration Of Blind Joe Death: 3.5/5 John Fahey - The Great San Bernardino Birthday Party & Other Excursions: 3/5 John Fahey - Days Have Gone By: 3.5/5 John Fahey - The Voice Of The Turtle: 3.5/5
Up next: The Yellow Princess
Luke Edwards
give me some good 50s jazz, preferably hard bop, third stream or post-bop.
i havent heard too many essentials from that time but im not interested in cool or vocal jazz right now which seems to be the dominant genre of the decade, so give me some hidden gems or anything really
Christian Young
Art Blakey & the Jazz Messengers - Moanin' Roy Haynes, Phineas Newborn, Paul Chambers - We Three
Ethan Brooks
Coming into the home stretch of the "core" Fahey discog there. Yellow Princess and America are some of my favorites of his, so enjoy.
Also when you're done with the whole thing, I'd recommend The Great Santa Barbara Oil Slick. It's a live album, so it injects some character, but the songs in it are played possibly more immaculately there than for their respective studio recordings. Along with FFV, it's my favorite album in Fahey's discography.
I'm not too knowledgeable myself but here are some well-regarded classics from the time that I've enjoyed, most is some derivative of bop, with some swing: >Duke Ellington - Ellington at Newport >Count Basie and His Orchestra + Neal Hefti Arrangements - Basie >Art Blakey and The Jazz Messengers - Moanin' >Charles Mingus - Mingus Ah Um >Sun Ra - Jazz in Silhouette And I know you said no vocal but this is a real treat. Just give the first track about a minute and you'll know what I'm talking about: >Louis Prima - The Wildest!
Samuel Gray
rec noise pop or pop with heavy guitar in an experimental sense
Jaxson Cooper
I am probably gonna hit TGSBOS once after I hit the 90s + Red Cross stuff which I'll hit after the core Fahey.
Nathan Cook
havent heard we three or basie, will check those out, as well as louis prima. thanks guys
Jordan Mitchell
>good 50s jazz Lee Morgan- the cooker
Hunter Campbell
>pop with heavy guitar in an experimental sense Hmmm Listen to the song Bad Law by Sondre Lerche, and if it sounds like what you want, listen to his 14 record Please.
James Martin
limp bizkit - three dolla bill yall
Gavin Clark
ban discord ban discord posters
good review
he came and he went again just enough to give us hope things might be better
Fushitsusha 1st than ここ (Koko) and Soul's True Love gives a good overview of whats up
Gavin Barnes
...
Asher Powell
Ban everything. Ban everyone. World is a fuck. Kill 'em all.
Carson Morales
t. Linda "Red Rocket Rider" Lovelace
Luke Sanders
Hey what time is it now, I mean - what's the time?
Ayden Nguyen
The discord is bogged down so much in the unreal, that one wonders if there's anything real to anyone there at all and how they'll deal with real situations.
Nathan Cook
"reality" is an illusion, they've finally seen
Robert Gonzalez
One can only escape reality for so long until it finally catches up to them.
Grayson Adams
yeah you
Brody Gutierrez
Anyone from discord wanna post about musics to keep this alive?
Nolan Brown
come plug to talk about music
Camden Brooks
Is Suzanne the saddest song ever made? Good out of context shit
Juan Bell
Let it die.
There's no context where those make you look good.
Jace Williams
Getting close to finishing John French's Through the Eyes of Magic. I wish I read faster than that of 3rd grader, but my mind forces me to re-read parts and stop to think about writing style and implications and shit. Gonna give the original Bat Chain Puller recording (released in 2012) a listen as I haven't heard it yet.
>another 3.5 taste is in question
Shit opinion on BH Surfers btw
NICE COHEN SCORE! Either a lucky dice roll or you actually have good taste. (I'm guessing the former)
Listen to Tim Buckley please.
(pic related)
Alexander Ortiz
Not good but at least not that bad
Cooper Martin
>Good out of context shit please give us the context that convinces us to not bully you about those
John Campbell
>Proof that free jazz and other "experimental" music is actually piss easy to make but nobody around here knows shit about music thus they use their ADD to determine how good it is. Is this a bad thing?
Dominic Smith
Well i was trying to say that fapping to those things while you are really horny or fapping to them because the art is good doesn't make you a gay/furry/cuck/etc
Liam Morris
Fuck off you gay furry pedo cuck, quit shitting up /daily/
Gabriel Roberts
he's a valuable asset to this community and im glad he found his way here
Easton Lopez
If anything Hotaru is worse than Sayaka
Owen Rogers
>Sayaka
Henry Ortiz
>Hotaru is worse than
Jayden Morales
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Chase Gutierrez
reported
Levi Taylor
...
Michael Fisher
called the police
Jack Clark
Well, yeah. Shitters around here continue to have shit taste in music because despite "maturing" their tastes, they really haven't matured that much. It's like a child who just turned 18 and is in that college age range.
Aaron Moore
William S. Burroughs - Call Me Burroughs (1966) >beat poetry
Probably the album I'm able to say the least about. Fucked up and humorous stories read with a lot of conviction in a very fucked up and humorous way. It's hard for me to listen to 40 minutes of spoken word without musical accompaniment in a non-comedy context, but this is fairly engaging and fun to listen to. I should probably /read/ Burroughs, instead, though.
3.0-
Vlad Tepes / Belkètre - March to the Black Holocaust (1995) >black metal
Both bands have radically different approaches to black metal, and I don't really care for either of them. Vlad Tepes is shockingly straightforward and very rooted in typical rock/hard rock conventions. A lot of riffs, power chords, and a shocking amount of catchiness. Of course, it's still produced in a very typical black metal fashion, and there are a lot of blast beats, but it's really straightforward and conventional, and not in a very good way. Sure, the catchiness is sometimes pretty cool, but fuck, I don't listen to black metal the hook and sing-along potential. Belkètre's side, full of rawness and feedback and pretty much no connection to anything normally "rock" at all, is better, but I'm still not all too into it. It's very noisy, droney style is cool and dark, but it gets old, and I wish that it was mixed together with more riffy, typical black metal. Basically, both sides are two halves to a whole that never really come together, and aren't amazing separately. Pretty alright, but nothing incredible.
2.0+
Brody Nguyen
Yo /daily/blog. I hope you are all well. For anyone who cares, I am sorry I have disappeared again. I have been having a busy week and I also finally went to see a neurologist for my twitchy legs and she confirmed my RLS concern.
These new pills are making me tired but also making me an insomniac. Music for this feel? Or maybe I will just play video games.
Also, as always, I am tiring of RYM: The whole rating things is bugging me, as it always has.
Justin Diaz
What's RLS
Juan Rogers
But black metal is supposed to be somewhat melodic to an extent. Been there since the very old days. Not to mention what makes Vlad Tepes' side fun and kinda cool is that some tracks are more conventional black metal, others sound closer to thrash, and arguably also some that do the black metal + crust sound before it became a trend a decade later.
Meanwhile Belketre's side is more intriguing because of its slight implementation of minimalist ideas and I think is better off for it than say...a Burzum track because they don't waste as much time on one idea before adding more to it. It's meant to be the opposite of rify metal in that regard.
That being said if you want a combo of the two, Mutiilation is the band from the scene you might be interested in. Although the bands I would think a typical /daily/ person would really like from that scene are the more experimental/dark ambient/weirder ones like Moëvöt, Aäkon Këëtrëh, Satanicum Tenebrae.
Listen to music that requires a lot of attention like Baroque Classical music in general or another classical piece like Gustav Holst's The Planets.
As for the rating thing, well, as I always say there's a reason I don't use RYM and I feel kinda uncomfortable giving ratings to the Fahey stuff I have been doing.
Uh, I like The Planets. Any particular version (or whatever, I am tired) I should be aware of? I have been busy with the new DJ Earl dig right now. I am sure there is a joke somewhere there, concerning my fascination with footwork and my RLS.
Nicholas King
i guess it is pretty cool how both of the sides contrast each other so much, and the thrashy bits of vlad tepes side were nice.
and i'll definitely check out those bands, i've been wanting to dive into BM for a while.
Parker Ramirez
Steinberg one's pretty cool, though you obviously can't go wrong with Karajan or Bernstein either (as is often with most things)
Honestly, I think you would just like some of the more unhinged crazy non-melodic grind inspired stuff like Revenge. Even MC Ride from Death Grips loves Revenge!
