Is cheating on an exam in school (like math for example) really wrong if your future depends the result?

Is cheating on an exam in school (like math for example) really wrong if your future depends the result?

I'd like to see what the many nationalities here think about this.

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no it's not wrong

fuck this jew society. Schlomo forcing us to learn about SJW bullshit because it's a requirement to get a job but then only hires niggers and women

it is just wrong

Yes
your future doesn't depend on cheating

You're never going to use the bullshit you learn in school.

you only need a piece of paper.

You learn pretty much everything on the job. 6 months on the job > 4 years of 4.0 GPA studying like a fucking chink

it's fine. exams are an unrealistic gauge of career skills; if I were a librarian somewhere nobody is going to ask me to explain the different creations of national memory without any works to directly cite.

if you are a liberal art student, your last sentence is correct.

do cheat, but don't say you deserved the result if succesful.

No, if the professor makes you take an exam made by McGrawhill or Pearson than fuck them and cheat. Especially when it's a subject that has nothing to do with your career.

it's chinese not "chink" tnx

and it isn't about the test of knowledge but whether or not you are where you should be

OP here

You see, that's what I think too. Right now I'm studying in an IT-related field (I'm not willing to disclose what it is exactly) and they made us do a math exam where calculators and notes weren't even allowed.

You would think that when/if I get a job in that field, I'd have a computer right there at my disposal, making the exercise meaningless, no?

It's part of testing your critical thinking and how you solve a problem, in a general way

In what fucking scenario would you ever need to memorize shit for an exam?

Do you honestly believe professionals don't reference or research things to refresh themselves on it?

>if you are a liberal art student, your last sentence is correct.

It's correct for every major. You're never going to use all the theoretical pie in the sky fucking bullshit you learned in university.

Why do you always have to relate shits to your
'muh future jobs'

Well I did say "if". I just think it's pointless to have us memorize formulas when I could either note them down or look them up instantly, which people in the IT field CERTAINLY do.

>Why do you always have to relate shits to your
>'muh future jobs'

Not him but isn't that kind of the purpose?

What's the point of wasting your effort on something inapplicable to real life?

What's the point of wasting money and time on it when you'll just forget everything you "learned" because you never ever use it again?

in the current scenario

>What's the point of wasting money and time on it when you'll just forget everything you "learned" because you never ever use it again?
This too. I'm 3 months in and while I DID cheat at the exam, it's making me wonder if I just wasted my time and money. Feels like I got scammed more than anything else. They might as well just stick an entrance exam in if they're gonna pull that bullshit instead of telling us high school dropouts can do it.

I meant a real life scenario

Pretty sure software developers regularly refresh themselves on shit by using stackoverflow or google or documentation. It's not like they memorize every single syntax and function they use

>What's the point of wasting your effort on something inapplicable to real life?
muh national standards

It's against the rules

If your future really depended on it, you would've studied more

my boyfriend had a similar experience, took some programming classes where the professor didn't give them access to a computer for their exams. I personally think projects are a much more effective measurement, but they take a lot of labor to review and grade. my best professors have been the ones that assign projects resembling tasks applicable to a person with a history degree doing a real job, like a legal clerk or researcher for a diplomat.

No it's necessary to get most jobs and it's a good idea to get a degree no matter what but there is literally nothing wrong with cheating.

There's no such thing as cheating in life. Only things that get you desired results - and things that don't.

Did "cheating" on your exam give you your desired results?

purpose is to test people and drop imcompetents in the study. not for utilising the knowledge forever in life or after graduation at work.

nor are you expected to memorize them on a test

No. Success in school can determine whether you get to have a decent life or you live in poverty forever. It's all a numbers game, all about getting that paper. I didn't need to fudge things personally, but I don't judge anyone for doing whatever they need to do to get the numbers they need to get.

>Did "cheating" on your exam give you your desired results?
Probably not. Didn't get graded yet.

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>leaf

ah, it fits. carry on

shit, didn't realize I was back in /r9k/

i'm in houston too!

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but strictly cuntly

Its wrong but, you did it to save your ass but its still wrong

You're Chinese aren't you?

>Future depends on knowing three months worth of material
>Decide not to study it
>Debate the merits of cheating instead

my bet is on a poo

Math was never my strength.

There aren't very many gay people here who aren't massive tumblr-tier faggots

this is what happens when universities there spread their legs to anyone in the entrance exam.
entrance exam is a dirty chicken fight, I agree.
But you need some purification in the process.

t. 18 year old who had a friend failing in the class escaped to canada and got an offer from universities like toronto and waterloo in natural science and engineering.

>he needed to take an entrance exam
top lmao

Oh boo hoo, shoulda studied.

dont you need SATs and SAT 2s to get in to decent unis in your country?

Pretty hard to study mental calculation.

>Do undergrad in chemical engineering
>Can get masters in materials in 1 year, decide why not
>Masters classes are full of Chinese and Indian students who blatantly cheat on everything and no one does shit about it
>Students talk during exams, they have note cards, etc
>During 1 exam I couldn't concentrate because of 3 dudes talking nonstop in Chinese behind me
>Stand up, move my shit
>Proctor asks what I'm doing, say out loud "these guys are talking and I can't concentrate", proctor does nothing
>Part of this is because trying to get a student in trouble for cheating is a huge pain in the ass
>Another part is the university doesn't have to disclose tuition paid by foreign students, so they charge these kids out the ass, and see Chinese/Indian students as free money in exchange for a degree they will never use in the US so who cares if they don't learn anything

Shit makes me REEE all the damn time. And these guys who cheat still get rekt on exams. Like how hard is it to just study and learn the material?

Just practice them

I've been cheating my entire life in school, and gotta tell I came up with really neat ideas in order to avoid hard work.
I'm very lazy, but if something interests me is avoiding having to work. I don't really cheat on exams no more, but I still make my way around heavy assignments, I work my way up into people to convince them to help me, lick professor's boots in order to get better grades, counterfeit directive letters in order to avoid doing exams until I have the answers.
Maybe life will punish me for all that jazz, but meh who cares

Yeah, I thought you were talking about something else

If everyone but you plays by the rules its shit. If not everyone does you should be an example for the better and not cheat.

Dont cheat you faggot.

Wow and I felt bad when in an exam I checked the results for 2 integrals in my phone once

Didn't say it was easy faggot

>things that never happened

God-germanic mentality..

*Claps* *Claps*

who gives a fuck?

all that matters is results

if stomping a nigger's skull will give me what i want then ill do it

I'm with the leaf, that's the mentality that breeds leaders and champions not sore looser and sheep.

I almost cut myself replying to this level of edginess

How can you go on in your lifes not cutting the whole world with those edges?

how is it edgy to want to achieve success instead of playing by some idiotic rules you think everyone plays by?

Its wrong in the sense that if you get caught your reputation is tarnished and you're basically shit out of luck when it comes to every going to a decent school.

I also have always lied about almost everything on my resume and I have tricked less intelligent people.
Every single decent job I've ever had I lied into getting

Is that "edgy" and "wrong" too?

If you don't have the capacity or the aptitude to study and master the material, you ought to revaluate why you are in it in the first place.

Take a break, a couple of semesters off will do you more good than cheating or barely getting by

In your resume did you also included your extend knowledge in fedoras?

>you ought to revaluate why you are in it in the first place.

Simple: HR departments these days require a degree in order to even get a chance of getting hired.

I suppose you could lie about your degree but I think it'd be safer just to get one and instead lie about your experience instead as I have.

OP here again.

Really my biggest issue with this is that they trick high school dropouts into thinking they can do it, that's really just it. If they really wanted people who didn't struggle with simple things like counting change, maybe they should've had an entrance exam.

By resorting to le fedora images are you basically conceding the discussion about workplace ethic and morals?

Seems like your argument has to be pretty weak if all you can say is "I-it's wrong" and then call the other person edgy and post an image of someone wearing a fedora.

And now you're just going to keep quoting posts and posting images of people wearing fedoras

It is wrong.

I don't want a dunce who's good at cheating to be designing bridges.

it's just wrong!
be a sponsor of your professor and that's going to escalate you to the top. isn't this tempting, rule breaker?

What if your job doesn't include designing bridges? Then is it okay?

Both are just terrible "ideas". HR can run as background check easily and find out everything they need to know

I kinda agree with this partly. Not everyone straight out of HS is cut out for college. They ought to consider getting a vocational degree so that they can get experience while not wasting their time.

In any case, by cheating even if you can get away with it, you are only harming yourself.

Do you think that dunce will be doing everything mentally, without any notes, noted formulas and the approval of everyone else?

Just get into a trade like plumbing or mechanical insulation you miserable shit.

Last time I did something like that I got tricked into doing more mathematics.

>Dude stop cheating, i-it's wrong. if u cant do it then just do some subhuman job instead!

Not even OP but you guys really have nothing to say do you?

Seems like your "arguments" just boil down to "it's wrong" "u shouldnt do it" "I wouldn't want someone designing a bridge or a building if they cheated even though no one cares what the fuck you want and most jobs aren't that important that they would affect peoples' lives".

You're assuming that there will be enough competent people in a higher chain of command than you to keep you in check.

If you cheat at school what's going to stop you from cheating at work?

Example: you'll order inferior materials at a risk to the final product, taking the credit if it doesn't turn out disasterous but silently putting someone else's name on your work if it turns out to lose the company money or kill someone.

Fuck cheaters and fuck you.

>isn't this tempting

No. It isn't

Well I made this thread to know what people think about it, that's it. I don't really mind people who blame me for it.

You're assuming that school and the real world are the same thing. Unless you're a sociopath, I don't think you'll be cheating in real life.

>Subhuman

Plumbing is way more honorable than anything anyone can do if they took gender studies(which is nothing).

Chinese are the fucking worst

>trades
>subhuman
You were lamenting the lack of options for high school dropouts and so I gave you an option.

It's YOU who chose to see this as subhuman. Trades keep the world running you ingrate, and furthermore pay well.

>dude I'm above subhuman jobs but not above doing the work to get into them lmao

there he goes again

Doesn't defend his position. Just needs to resort to ad-hominem attacks when he realizes his stance is very weak.

>Don't do it it's bad
>"But it achieves what I want from life, why shouldn't I do it?"
>c-chink...p-poo in l-loo...

>Trades keep the world running you ingrate, and furthermore pay well.

Yeah and the people who clean the bathrooms at McDonalds where I piss all over the floor keep my mcdonalds running too.

Who the fuck cares? It's physical labour that honestly doesn't pay all that much. Enjoy your fucked up joints and back tho

Why do the work when I don't have to?

Protip: You can't explain to me why

If your future depends on the result, maybe you should fucking study.

t. white non-jew

>Why do the work when I don't have to?
But you do have to do the work, otherwise it wouldn't be cheating

The point of education is to prepare you for tasks that you have to perform. If you cheat your way through life, you end up in a situation where you're in a job that you basically cannot perform.

The number of chinks here who say they took 4 years of German and that their system is superior because they work hard and memorize (and then when they are assessed for their language ability and placed at THE most basic level) basically are worthless in any German speaking country because they have no fucking skills whatsoever.

Only the most shrewd cheaters can succeed, but even then it doesn't bring society anything. No wonder your country is a fucking disaster China.

Well, it's absolutely wrong and the one who you're lying to is yourself - instead of properly learning material, you use a shortcut, which hurts you as a specialist in the long term.
But you know, your future is what should focus on - you can be honest and fail an exam or still win by all means even if it's wrong. The moment you get rid of emotions in this situation will make everything obvious.

This is such a meme

Can't believe moralcucks actually do this. All that matters is the result you idiots.

If anything, cheating prepares you for real life. where everyone cheats and no one cares

>All that matters is the result you idiots.

Exactly. This is the result of chink mentality.

Nah.

Fuck calculus btw

but that's the mentality of everyone

Do you think people care about whether you "earned" it or not? People cheat every single day, no one cares

It's just wrong on principle
But like everything else, it's fine in moderation, take that as you will

>see canadian spazzing out in thread
>try to take him down
>they edge of his blade is too sharp

People have yet to realize that morals are subjective

You're digging yourself into a philosophical ditch. Why not steal things too, if you need them so much? Other people do it, right?

Most people, when confronted, will espouse that cultural relativism is the primary structure of human morality. I would stand against that and say that there is a universal moral code, but cultures or people can perverse or ignore it for their own gain

>Why not steal things too, if you need them so much? Other people do it, right?

Because the risk outweighs the reward in that case you stupid dolt. That's literally not an argument.

>I would stand against that and say that there is a universal moral code

In life there's no "moral code" that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard

Cheaters win all the time and every day

1) Incorrect. The risk and reward are relative to the individual, thus it would need to be analyzed on a case-by-base basis.

2) Incorrect. We by and large operate on a code of rule utilitarianism, where we try to increase personal and global happiness (obviously focusing on the former) through action dictated by rule of law. Any deviants are rogue elements that go against rule utilitarian law, and are morally wrong.

Not really. The school system is a fucking joke. These fucking college cucks learn about gender studies and calculus, only to wind up working 40-50 hours a week at some desk job where you press buttons all day. Cheating is just a way to work around the broken system so you don't have to do all that bullshit.

Cheating 4ever :^]

It is surely wrong, but what would you do is another completely separate question

>The risk and reward are relative to the individual, thus it would need to be analyzed on a case-by-base basis.

No it's pretty objective that some crime is better than others.

For example committing credit card fraud is better than physically robbing a bank based on your chances of getting caught, the reward and the potential punishment if it occurs.

Similar to how lying on my resume is better than stealing things from Walmart because 1) It has no punishment, 2) It yields me better and more consistent rewards.

>where we try to increase personal and global happiness (obviously focusing on the former) through action dictated by rule of law. Any deviants are rogue elements that go against rule utilitarian law, and are morally wrong.

Law is manmade, might makes right is the real law in society.

The vast, vast majority of people would do so-called "immoral" things if they knew they would face no repercussions (Neither legal nor social such as ostracized from society in some way via shaming) and if it was worth the effort

Bingo. The schools only exist to prepare you for a career; they're piss poor at it, and using things like MBTI and SATs, they push unprepared sheep toward meaningless desk jobs. Might as well cheat and avoid the pointless effort.

1) No, because unless you analyze the EXACT case-by-case action and consequence(s), you cannot make that ruling for certain.

To go off your hypothetical example, what if you do online credit card fraud, and scam tech-savvy mobsters? Pissed off, they come to your house and kill your entire family slowly will a 2mm meat slicer. Meanwhile, you can rob a bank without weapons (like many do, see FBI wanted) or hurting anyone, and get away undetected.

Case-by-case analysis is key.

2) The idea of utilitarinism itself operates under the idea that we should act to increase the sum happiness of the world. Rule utilitarinism is a modified version of that to counter objections of genocide, for instance. That's why society by and large operates upon rule utilitarianism.

The stance you seem to be coming from is moral nihilism, albeit your view is conflicted. By supposing credit card fraud is better than phyisical robbery, I pin you more as an ethical egoist a 'la Ayn Rand.

I'll need to think more on your arguments. Feel free to read up on the subjects I mentioned to discover more about your own beliefs