Hey Sup Forums what's the difference between sludge metal, stoner metal, doom metal, etc.? Are they all basically different terms for the same stuff or are there subtle differences?
Hey Sup Forums what's the difference between sludge metal, stoner metal, doom metal, etc...
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Carter Lopez
Its all music that sounds better after you smoke some Weef.
Jace Butler
Sludge: raw and messy
Doom: slow and fuzzy
Stoner: fuzzy and raw and messy
Jason Sanders
>sludge
>not fuzzy
>stoner
>not slow
Jason Hernandez
Doom is derived from traditional heavy metal, think slow riffing. Sludge metal is like a punk influenced sometimes harsh sounding derivative of doom metal. And stoner metal is basically fuzzed out doom metal often with groove.
Benjamin Murphy
Sludge metal emphasizes on distortion and dirty tones
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Stoner is more energetic and riff based
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Doom is characterized by its slow pace feelings of despair
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Though the three often cross paths with each other in a lot of bands they're all sub-genre's in their own right.
Isaac Jones
Baroness isn't fuzzy and Wo Fat isn't slow
Noah Thompson
Doom is just slow and heavy.
Stoner is heavy and has a groovy psychedelic touch.
Sludge is way more aggressive and noisy.
Adam Howard
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Isaiah Campbell
Doom is slow heavy metal riffs that make you feel like you're in the presence of the devil and is also an umbrella term. Traditional doom metal, sludge metal, stoner metal, drone metal, etc. all fall under the doom metal umbrella.
Sludge metal is doom metal that incorporates punk elements and is generally rawer, more aggressive, etc.
Stoner metal is doom metal that incorporates elements of psychedelic rock. Generally utilizes more effects used in psychedelic rock like wah, phase, etc. and generally has a bluesier, groovier vibe.
They're also not mutually exclusive and some bands can be both sludge and stoner (Electric Wizard)
Some sludge metal isn't considered doom because it isn't slow enough like some Melivns I believe (not sure tho)
Some stoner metal also isn't considered doom because it's not slow enough (Kyuss for example is mainly considered stoner rock with only some metal traits so it could be considered stoner metal but not doom metal)
Basically if you want to know if something is doom then ask yourself if it's slow riffage and evokes feelings and imagery of the devil
If you want to know if it's sludge then ask if it sounds raw and grimey and punk
If you want to know if it's stoner ask if it has elements of psychedelia
And apply each genre label if it meets those criteria
Joseph Collins
Why is Tool considered prog instead of stoner?
When does Mastodon stop being sludge and become prog?
Is Baroness sludge even though they do clean vocals now?
Jace Torres
>Why is Tool considered prog instead of stoner?
Not riff-based or repetitive enough
>When does Mastodon stop being sludge and become prog?
Transformation was in process during Leviathan and was definitely complete by Blood Mountain.
>Is Baroness sludge even though they do clean vocals now?
Ehh, probably
Jose Perez
doom is black sabbath turned up to 11
stoner is doom+heavy psych
sludge is doom+hardcore punk
Luis Lopez
They're Different In Lyrical Aspects Too
Doom: Despair, Melancholy, Indifference...etc
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Sludge: Typically more agressive. Hardcore Drugs, Nihilism, Hatred...
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Stoner: What the Hell Do You Expect?
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Carson Jackson
Doom always gives me the spook. Someone recommend me another doom album to listen to?
Cameron Moore
>Sludge
Angrier doom mixed with hardcore punk
>Doom
Spookier heavy psychedelic music
or
Black Sabbath cultists
>Stoner
Less spooky doom
Both sludge and stoner can overlap with doom
Angel Hernandez
Acid King is just about the spookiest doom there is
Leo Hill
Sunn O))) is the spookiest drone doom.
Charles Stewart
Stoner metal has a strong psych rock vibe.
Sludge metal has a strong hardcore influence.
Doom metal has its own dramatic sounds sorta like traditional heavy metal.
These genres are all known to overlap
There ya go.
Jacob Thomas
>Who’s good looking in this music? No one’s going to gigs because someone’s hot in the band!
What did she mean by this?
Jaxson Watson
Some of their new shit is kinda spooky if only they down tuned lower.
When was this said? I saw her at Psycho and that ass was kinda plump desu.
For everyone else what would you place Boris under these guys are fucking everywhere.
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Dylan Gutierrez
Post-progressive dronedoom
Joseph Morgan
Close enough.
Angel Martin
Doom is not necesarily slow, a lot of early doom isn't slow at all. Maybe its slow in comparison to thrash, but not slow.
Sludge is usually pretty aggressive and noisey, like garage thrash or something.
Doom has cathartic or apocolyptic themes and is usually very heavy, often slow, but not always.
Stoner is basically Doom but with stoner/psych themes and more influenced by blues
Brayden Cox
Dope, what Sunn O))) album should I listen to first?
Isaiah Moore
Monoliths & Dimensions.
Justin Brown
Stoner/doom recommendations? More stuff like Wo Fat or Red Fang?
Sebastian Perez
In the vein of those particularly: Droids Attack, Stoned Jesus, Weedpecker
Nolan Sanders
Aiden Gonzalez
These are great, thanks guys.
Dominic Thomas
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Owen White
This is how I always thought of them. Some people use these terms interchangeably, but it becomes obvious after a while. I mean, you'd never confuse Kyuss with Eyehategod, for instance.
Carson Allen
> saw her at Psycho and that ass was kinda plump desu.
This statement requires elaboration
Isaiah Harris
>tfw can't find the last two albums by The Machine ANYWHERE
I only have Shadow of the Machine, Solar Corona, and Drie
Sebastian Long
doom metal is all tuned down and heavy like
BWAAAAAAHHHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhhh
stoner metal tends to have fuzzier tones and groovier melodies
sludge metal is tuned down like doom metal but they can play it fast, but it sounds like their playing is slowed down by all the fuckin sludge stuck to their guitar
Nathaniel Taylor
sludge is raw, noisy, influenced by/incorporating elements of crust and not necessarily (though it often is) slow all the time. emphasis on hatred, nihilism, depression, etc
doom is slow and fuzzy. thematically it's all over the place.
stoner is basically downtuned biker rock
it's difficult to explain but the differences are clear as day when you hear them
Grayson Ortiz
Baroness isn't sludge
Wyatt Ross
What are they?
Tyler Roberts
Foo Fighters with extra beard
Kevin Powell
Kek
James Flores
is there a chart for stoner metal/that includes stoner metal?
Easton Thompson
Can anyone rec me anything similar to this?
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I listened to A lot of essential stoner/doom metal and I liked it but I kinda like the more energetic approach like these guys
Aaron Brooks
not metal but check out Wand and Meatbodies
Jonathan Wood
I need Sleep imitators stat (that aren't Bongripper). Most stoner metal is too fast.
Joshua Martinez
or Bongzilla I forgot I've already got all their shit too.
Luis Lewis
iirc weedeater has some of the same members as bongzilla, not very much like sleep though
maybe Om? not really as funky.
Connor James
wo fat definitely isnt fast
Dominic Jenkins
Sludge is like a mix of doom and stoner, its really messy though andkind of its own thing.
Doom is basically slowed down death metal
Stoner is heavy rock riffs slowed down with fuzz
Zachary Perez
Actually I take back the death meal, it is derived from heavy metal but slowed down. Lately lots of bands have death metal influence
Ryder Kelly
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