Is it possible to appreciate classical music without a knowledge of musical theory?
Gabriel Hall
yes. If you like the sound of music, you are appreciating it. Music theory comes in handy for understanding how pieces are structurally composed (for the most part). why this question has to be asked every thread is beyond me.
uuh where do i start i like some Modern Classical, big into Feldman and Eastman. Been meaning to listen to Classical. What do i listen to first?
Henry Martin
yes. If you like the sound of music, you are appreciating it. Music theory comes in handy for understanding how pieces are structurally composed (for the most part).
op here why this question has to be asked every thread is beyond me
Angel Green
It had to be asked because there are people who don't know much about classical music. I will add though that understanding the structure of a piece can contribute quite a lot to the enjoyment. There are only four or five forms you have to remember, though, and only one is sort of complicated.
Aiden Gutierrez
>There are only four or five forms you have to remember, though, and only one is sort of complicated.
What are you thinking of?
Evan Howard
Sonata, minuet/scherzo(or more generally ternary), rondo, variations, maybe sonata-rondo
Nathaniel Anderson
You don't really need music theory to understand these, btw. They just deal with how large-scale musical phrases, or themes, are repeated/altered throughout the piece. In a sense, how the piece functions dramatically.
Dominic Rodriguez
petzold
Jaxon Foster
literally all I do these days is link this picc
Eli Cox
go back to your /daily/ hugbox general with the rest of the rym babies and leave this thread to the men.
Alexander Evans
>What do i listen to first?
It doesn't work like that. For generations people found their own way into classical music. All we can do is making suggestions. Yes, there are the great classical composers, but you don't have to start at one particular point. Listen to what you want to get into it. These are good suggestions, but they may not match your taste now. Personally I started with Wagner ouvertures
does anybody know a good album with Chopin's works? I'm not really into classical music but I really like a lot of Chopin's songs I've heard and I'd like to have them since I don't know what's the good version because it seems it changes depending on which orchestra play them . I don't know, maybe it's a stupid question but I don't know don't judge me please
Eli Cook
Just get Arrau's recordings of Chopin's complete piano works
Bentley Davis
>Chopin
this isn't kindergarten. even a proper faggot would only go as bad as Tchaikovsky, but Chopin? literally Mozart-tier. kys
James Johnson
Listen to Mozart
Brandon Martin
don't do this.
Ayden Jones
actually, this is okay. mozart is pleb trash so it's fine to use as a gateway to better music if you're just starting out.
Jose Cruz
Grab anything by Moravec too. >Chopin? literally Mozart-tier This post is b8 but this statement holds some truth. Chopin is underrated.
Angel Morgan
*tips fedora*
Lucas Clark
>Argerich >Chopin
Noah Mitchell
Listening right now. Oh wow, this is good. Really fun, very beautiful, but kind of powerful. I don't have any music theory or composition knowledge but this is bringing me lots of enjoyment. I think i kind of like how its so fun and easy going. It reminds me of mornings and sun rise. Its definitely not what i would expect Classical to sound like. What other things from this guy should i listen to? Any notable comps or anything? downloading, thanks suck my dick choke on my semen thanks a lot man
Logan Johnson
>Oh wow, this is good >Really fun >very beautiful >kind of powerful >this is bringing me lots of enjoyment >fun and easy going >mornings and sun rise
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Benjamin Collins
For Haydn get his symphonies, I like Vegh and Szell but there are tons of options. Same with the string quartets but Quatuor Mosaïques are GOAT and have recorded all of them I think so get their recording,
Hunter Jones
For Haydn you want to listen to his symphonies, his string quartets and his oratorio The Creation. He has LOTS of symphonies and string quartets, so if you don't want ot listen to all of them in order, you can just jump straight to the late ones with symphonies 82-104 and string quartets 48-68, adn then go back to older ones if you're still interested. He also has lots of other music to listen to like concertos, piano sonatas, piano trios, and a few masses, and they're all worth listening to as well.
Jason Wood
That's a perfeclty good description of Haydn.
Logan Clark
Argerich is pretty great in Chopin.
Logan Sanders
desu it's better to say that and essier than to look up every word i say. As i said, not only i don't feel comfortable talking about classical but i lack knowledge. Hell i don't even know how to refer to te string instruments as i don't really know their names.I just said that to give some feedback on the music. Btw it does sound like a sun rise what's up with you thanks lads. Downloading right now
Noah Smith
>great in Chopin
There's no such thing.
Nathaniel Kelly
nope not possible. If you think you're enjoying classical music and you dont have a masters degree in composition, your mind must be playing tricks on you. Its not physically possible to enjoy classical music in any way without at least 10 years of training.
Josiah Mitchell
Not really. Then you end up saying meaningless shit like
Ayden Richardson
Also read Rosen. The Classical Style, Freedom and the Arts, The Romantic Generation, as far as I can tell everything he wrote is pretty good and you don't need to know much outside of how to read notes.
Christopher Hughes
>more Rosen shilling
Now I remember why I left this place.
Mason Morgan
Taruskin pls go.
Gavin Carter
Are there any similar books about baroque and later romantic music?
>Taruskin is also worth reading, right? Yes if you focus on his writings on the Russian composers (this would fulfill your first request) and polemical articles on the Period Practice Taliban and ignore his writings on later 20th century music.
Charles Hall
Not huge on the Symphonie Fantastique, but sometimes a performance of a piece is so good that it convinces you regardless. This is one of them.
does anyone else think medieval and renaissance secular music is a milliong times more interesting to listen to than masses from those eras
Grayson Ross
>medieval and renaissance secular music
lol
Nathan Sullivan
masses are just boring until the baroque tho
Parker Jackson
It's a very different aesthetic, at least for secular music before 1500, that is completely independent from the way masses and motets were written. Then all the secular genres in all the languages sort of meld into one, and they start to sound just like sacred music being sped up. It wasn't until the rise of madrigals that you get really interesting secular music again.
>masses are just boring until the baroque tho u dun it now 'arry potter
Leo Murphy
Heyo, I've only heard John of Damascus by Tayenev but I found it fucking phenomenal, so my question is where to go next with Tayenev? Also, fuck girls
Robert Russell
Why the fuck is the Organ even an instrument, it sounds absolute fucking shit.
Bach literally wasted his life and potential on this shit instrument.
It's such a garbage instrument. It's unbelievable how every piece can sounds so fucking abhorrent on the organ. The organ has absolutely no value as an instrument and is extremely unpleasant to the novice and experienced ear.
I usually meet a lot of people that are into classical music because I go to a lot of concerts, musicals and even the Church but I have never met a person that has said that they actually genuinely enjoy the organ as an instrument.
When you hear organ pieces played on strings, the piano or by an orchestra you actually hear the beauty of it but then you go back to listen to the original organ version and all you can hear is the emotionless, beep boop shit sounds that the organ is capable of producing.
Matthew Smith
(You)
Jaxon Gomez
"heh if I say that he's trolling, everything that he has stated is false"
>it sounds absolute fucking shit. only to you user. To everyone else it sounds amazing.
You should try seeing one in the flesh, its quite an experience.
Luis Murphy
I kind of agree with that user but they are still really cool-looking.
Jayden Taylor
I have listened to quite a lot of them, actually. They are often played in big churches and I understand the meaning and value of organs in religion and the church but it still sounds pretty fucking shit to me.
You understand how shit organs sound once you hear strings or an orchestra play the same pieces.
But that's actually a good thing. Great arrangement, too.
Wyatt Jenkins
RAVEL'S MOTHER GOOSE SUITE MOTHER-CUNT
Brayden White
Debussy is the only classical musician relevant to modern music
prove me wrong
David Gomez
Modern music has been influenced by so many other composers even before the romantic era.
Angel Hall
Debussy isn't a "classical musician." There, proven wrong.
Aiden Perry
bump
Isaiah Rivera
Schoenberg exists
Henry Hall
Obviously user was just talking about popular music, e.g. rock, rap, etc, as opposed to real music, IE classical music/music in the Western art/concert music tradition.
Cooper Thomas
Debussy is even less relevant to popular modern than classical modern, so still doesn't work.
Jason Wright
True,b ut he's somewhat relevant for his influence on jazz, which in turn played a large role in the development of rock, etc.
Parker Sanders
what's debussy influence in jazz? what did he do? t. non jazz man
Most people seem to think so. >where do i start Sorry bro, you can't just start with classical. Every piece is just another part of the musical conversation. You have to start at the beginning to understand any of the western—canon.
You're not a real patrish unless you started with ancient Greek lyres.
Adrian Moore
Where could I find said secular medieval and renaissance music? I've only been able to find mass or otherwise religious music.
Parker Bailey
Most composers who composed masses also composed short secular songs... Look up motets, chansons, and madrigals
Lincoln Ward
Aren't motets religious though?
Justin Johnson
Not necessarily. There's a several-hundred year long tradition of secular motets
Alexander Bell
The vast majority of those which have passed down to us are either liturgical or exegetical and therefore sacred though.
Jayden Carter
At first I thought this was just a ripoff of The Rite of Spring but then the electric guitar came in and I LOL'd.
