Posted this thread yesterday evening and I got an autistic Norwegian talking about >white. Let's try it one last time.
Can we get a learning language thread going?
I've decided to start going to courses in 2017, starting February. My plan is to cover A1 in spring, A2 in summer and B1 this time next year. Point is, I can't decide between French and German. I've studied both as second foreign languages in school (more than 10 years ago) but I wasn't that much interested at the time and I don't think I got some good grasp on them, that's why I want to start from the beginning.
I'll be happy to hear some thoughts on the matter. Meme answers about how Arabic/Turkish would be more suitable are also welcomed for the sake of this being the shithole we know as Sup Forums.
Obviously French has a lot more use here in Canada, but I kind of hate the language and my pronunciation is terrible. I can already read it decently but I can't really understand it in speaking and I can barely speak it.
German meanwhile I find really interesting and when I went I learned some phrases beforehand and a lot of people told me I have great pronunciation.
Kevin Mitchell
That's my biggest concert about French - not being able to get the pronunciation right and sounding like a huge peasant.
Cameron Johnson
Learning French makes learning Spanish, Italian, and the other two irrelevant Romance languages easier if that interests you.
Don't worry about pronunciation, worrying about that will just mess with you. You can fix mistakes as you come across them.
Adrian Powell
>Don't worry about pronunciation bad advice, french people will hate you if your pronunciation is shit
Jeremiah Cook
take German to get a well-paying job in Germany of course
Gabriel Davis
It's always nice to see someone trying, if anybody is laughing at you he's the peasant
Cameron Foster
>Don't worry about pronunciation This advice only works for english speakers, because no matter how much they try they will sound like shit anyways
Matthew Murphy
we should all learn Esperanto
Logan Ramirez
conlangs are for nerds
Luke White
mi pilin e ni: mi ali li wile kama sona e toki pona
Ayden Adams
this is Sup Forums we're all nerds
Bentley Young
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Brody Garcia
I dunno lad I'm kind of a Frankaboo so I'm naturally inclined towards French, but hell, do whatever you feel more like doing, I guess. Once you get a feel for the phonetics and perhaps can talk with a native speaker, it's really not that bad. Hell, in my experience, you have to actually try to not be understood.
Isaiah Torres
Cxu parolas iu tie cxi la esperanton?
Jayden Fisher
There is no wrong choice when deciding between those two languages. You just start with one and if it doesn't work out, try the other.
Me, personally, back in school I was very eager to learn German, started off well, quickly got the pronunciation, but by the time we started learning cases and the fucking Partizips I just gave up.
While with French the grammar was easy (very similar with English), also all those common words with English give you a basic vocabulary right from the start. The pronunciation is tough, but once you've mastered it you really appreciate it.
Samuel Brooks
How am I supposed to pronoune "лю" in for example люблю?
Anyone learned russian before? What are the GOAT textbooks?
Anyone learned icelandic? Are there any resources for it?
Benjamin Kelly
ю sound is the same as 'you' in English, so any consonant which goes before ю is automatically softer. You just say the consonant before it and combined it with 'yu' sound. So you say lyublyu. You can write it in different ways of course, depending on the country. Some, like Lithuanians will prefer liubliu, other Slavs will probably prefer ljublju. In a way, Slovenia's capital name Ljubljana is made like that.
Jeremiah Peterson
Another example is name Yugoslavia. In Russian, it is Югocлaвия and in Balkan languages it's Jugoslavija. So you can imagine what it would sound like only if you added a single letter in front of it, for example Ljugoslavija/lyugoslavija.
Sort of feels like I can't move my tongue properly for it. Damn annoying too since my English pronounciation was always good and my German was quite decent back in the day.
David Watson
Danish makes me want to kill myself tbqhwyf.
Adam Jenkins
Hmm, easier to say lyugoslavija than lyublyu. I probably just need some practice.
Austin Miller
It makes everyone want to kill themselves in one way or another.
Liam Hernandez
You have it really close, it's the main problem which I see in foreigners is that they try to pronounce this softening j sound and it ends up something like lijubliju. They try to pronounce it as a separate letter. It's more like a sound which just makes the previous letter before it softer. You can crack it, just need practice and micmic learning.
Another example which I can give you, is Isaac Newton. In Russian, it's Hьютoн (ignore the ь for now). So you can see that the 'ew' as in 'new' is pronounced the same as ю as well. It is clear in this example that it just makes the N letter softer, so you don't say something like Nijuton, it's just Njuton/Nyuton/Njuton.
If you can say New, you can perfectly say Hю. Then it's just the same with other letters. Lew, Mew etc. Pronounce 'lewd' and you will get exact pronunciation of люд. People - люди, so there's a word you could practice on. It would sound exactly the same as lewdi.
Robert Perez
Cases and Partizips aren't that hard, don't try to learn in like you'd learn Latin. Just listen a lot and you'll get used to it. I'm sure that from 100 Germans, you'll hardly find one who can name you the cases, rather than intuitively using them.
Parker Edwards
Choose Spanish like everybody.
French is not very useful and it is spoken by Africans and German is irrelevant and ugly.
Luke Lewis
>autistic Norwegian talking about >white
When it comes to discuss about France you always have this guy trying to prove that France is nothing but a irrelevant shithole.
see this. French is hard because it has lots of irregular pronunciations, but still less than in English. Once you understood that French is a language free of tonic accent and that revolves around a few set of sound, it turns to be easy to say.
Anyway, you have to determine which language will be the more useful for you. Do you actually have occasions to practice German or French ?
Nathan Davis
Hey thanks, that makes it easier. I just thought that ou were supposed to pronounce it as a separate letter, but I'll try to be more relaxed with it
Chase Garcia
I'm having the same problem. I've been wanting to start learning another language and I am between french and german. The problem is that I already have some grammar books for freanch, but I'm somewhat afraid of its pronunciation and those nasal sounds. And for german I don't really know, I haven't tried it yet. So, the thing is that I don't want to make a "mistake" and waste time learning a language that I'll quit.
Dominic White
No problem man, you can ask if you have anymore questions
It always seemed easy for me but I took it too much for granted after seeing foreigners struggle with it. After I decided to learn a new language, I could really see how much help one needs and I learned to appreciate every advice.
James Howard
French and German are both meme languages at this point. You should have done Spanish and Russian.
Brody Myers
Learning Spanish, at A2 now.
Should I learn Catalan too?
Ian Howard
catalans are hairy degenerate people and their language is equally awful baka desu senpai
Ian Cox
do German, French is a meme language
Adam Sullivan
How different from Castilian is it?
Jose Nguyen
I'm not advanced enough to have any more questions tbqh
Jonathan Torres
this, even though Spanish is a meme as well
Hunter Cook
Catalan is only relevant if you intend to move there, even then I believe Spanish would be enough to live by
Daniel Reed
it's more distantly related to Castillian than say, Galician. castillian is a West Iberian language and Catalan is Occitano-Romance
Asher Morales
God Speed OP. I currently learn japanese, but it more like "occasional practice" than actual learning. But i know Hiragana already and i've actually written my first question and answer in this alphabet, without looking to any sources, I know some basic words,verbs and simple sentence construction from Anime. I am thinking about starting reading some japanese course in polish that i have downloaded.
Levi Stewart
Have you ever lived in Catalunya? How prevalent is Catalan over Castilian there?
>close to f*ench absolutely disgusting
Nolan Powell
Ja hallo, was geht
Ich habe mich seit fast ein Jahr Deutsch lernen worden
Nachdem im Bundestagswahl die AfD gewonnt hat, dann wird ich nach Deutschland kommen.
Dominic Lopez
Ich brauche mehr Sprechtraining
Carter Harris
>Nachdem im Bundestagswahl die AfD gewonnt hat, dann wird ich nach Deutschland kommen. Wird nicht passieren Brudi
Alexander Torres
Nah, just guessing, as the languages don't seem to be that different and cities tend to be cosmopolitan anyway. I remember some kid brought a Catalonian magazine written in the language back in high school because of muh Barça (ç isn't used in Spanish btw)
