Can anyone explain me the context of Trump and his defense secretary being against the Iran nuclear deal? Iran was among the countries that the neocons under W. Bush wanted to attack right from the beginning. Frankly, the Obama administration did nothing to stop the democracy export and carried on with the neocons general strategy: they backed the Arab spring, topledd Qaddafi's regime and tried to do the same with Assad in Syria. In this context, the Iran deal seemed like the only sane step of the Obama administration, normalizing the relations with Iran and ending the warmongering. Although keeping Assad, Iran's important ally under pressure is a bit counterproductive in this aspect.Now Trump says he is going to stop meddling with the Middle East while not liking the Iran deal. Basicly doing a 180 degree turn compared to what Obama was doing. Letting Syria off the hook while starting squeezing Iran. How does this make sense? It seems entirely contradictory. If he doesn't want to continue with the wars and regime changes why is he so hostile against Iran?
On the other hand, countries that didn't like the Iran deal include: Israel, Saudi-Arabia, other gulf monarchies. How about that?
Though Saudis, Katar, the Emirates and others poured money into the Clinton Foundation countlessly, so that hardly makes any sense either. I just can't get my head around this.
No one gets it, it's just usual paranoia of old as shit politicians. Some unironically think iran will rise up and come for them, but iran is really just a toothless dog.
Jacob Brown
He wants to save Israel
Luis Moore
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Colton Nguyen
Your mistake is that you assume Trump has some sort of coherent policy, that is not the case. The Americans hate us because we're trying to stop them dictating the policies of this region. The Democrats believe the best way to stop us from doing that is sanctions and diplomacy, the Republicans believe the best way is to use military force.
Xavier Thompson
Why do Americans want to protect Israel as if its their own parents? Weird t b h.
Aiden Garcia
And your mistake is assuming Republicans=/=Trump. It should have been clear by now that Trump was hated by the entire mainstream political estabilishment, not just Democrats, but Republican estabilishment as well.
Michael Roberts
>And your mistake is assuming Republicans=/=Trump Where did I say that?
Thomas Cruz
You implied by talking about Republicans, as if Trump would do the same as them.
Mason Lewis
because israel only exists because of america, and because those fucking lunatics were allowed to have nukes we all go down if israel goes down
Anthony Collins
I talked about both Democrats and Republicans. What I said about Trump was that he doesn't have a coherent policy.
is this true? if i visit your country people would give me free food and invite me to dinner everywhere?
Easton Perry
How do you know? Perhaps he just doesn't like something about the deal. He didn't specifically say anything hostile towards Iran itself.
Can you sum up shortly what the deal meant to Iran, what rights and obligations did you gain by it? I'm not fully aware of the details.
Jayden Williams
I don't know. I know I wouldn't, but I have social anxiety so it's not like I represent the average Iranian. We basically agreed to more nuclear inspections and surveillance than any other country in the world for many years, during which we'll have to severely limit our enrichment activities. This is while the NPT agreement specifically gives countries the right to develop peaceful nuclear tech. In return, the west has agreed to stop fucking our economy up on the level they were doing before the agreement. Somehow some Americans have got it into their heads that this was a bad deal for them.
Chase Martinez
It all falls into place when you realize Trump isn't going to stop fucking with the ME, really. Iran will always be an enemy of the west.
Camden Smith
>Iran dindu nuffin wew
Jackson Powell
What, is killing Iraqis a bad thing now?
Christopher Ward
never started a war since modern era 2bh they were always the one that was attacked
Colton Diaz
Yeah, i don't see how that can be considered so bad.
Christian Watson
Persians cannot be trusted. they're imperialists who want total dominance of the region. They're also false Muslims.
Jaxon Miller
They created a monster and now the monster is in control of them. "American exceptionalism"
Ryan Thomas
t est
Thomas Allen
Trump is a cuck and will suck the wahabi dick as the good jewish lapdog he is.
Cooper Murphy
*tips thwab*
Ian Martin
Iran should have nukes t b h
Iran = secular and western
Saudi = batshit theocracy
Gavin Davis
The deal started out good until randomized inspections was thrown out by Obama.
Nathaniel Bennett
Republicans didn't like the Iran deal. They thought it was too soft, and had hidden riders which curtailed US freedom of action in other parts of the Middle-East. Democrats thought the same, albeit to a lesser degree. But since it was Obama's pet project, they were more supportive. There's more to say on that, but that's the short version.
Trump alternatively said he would rip up the deal, police it very hard, etc. He hasn't been clear. We'll have to see what his actual policy will be. I doubt he will trash it. General Mattis never, ever said he was against the JCPOA. He said it was an imperfect agreement, which I think even the supporters of the document would agree with.
A talk Mattis had on Iran in general, which spends alot of time on the JCPOA, is here, so you can judge his views for yourself. youtube.com/watch?v=_luaAHcqZO4
Adrian Brown
>We basically agreed to more nuclear inspections and surveillance than any other country in the world for many years
Well that's what happens when you finance global terror worldwide and call for the destruction of Israel.
Nolan Rogers
>Iran = secular and western
Is this 1975?
Kevin Sanchez
Iran = batshit theocracy Saudi = batshit theocracy big league
Caleb Morris
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Logan Phillips
The entire problem with Islamofascism started with the Iranian Revolution; the Islamic world was comparatively secular before that time. Iran does however have a large diaspora which is why Sup Forums has numerous IIDF on it.
Jaxson King
>Well that's what happens when you finance global terror worldwide and you're militarily and diplomatically weak ftfy USA has been funding all kinds of shady shit worldwide, hell you guys literally invaded a country on falsified evidence and nothing happened to you. It's all about power.
And I suppose by "global terror", you mean militias in Iraq and Lebanon? Because if that is what you mean, then you should call it by its name, "funding militias worldwide", not this stupid "terror" buzzword your government slaps on anything remotely harmful to your interests.
Jonathan Peterson
>14:33 >for the record I did meet one unfriendly person in Iran >It was a polish guy
kekkkkk
Justin Garcia
>gets cornered >falls back on whataboutism
Duh.
Dominic Anderson
>but iran is really just a toothless dog They use their intelligence service and special forces to fight proxy wars all over the middle east. Of course all the arab countries do the same thing but pretending Iran dindu nuffin is retarded.
Cameron Adams
>whataboutism Not really. You said made a general statement about "terrorism" and I showed you how you were wrong.
Jaxon Brown
Fuck off back to the insane asylum Chubek
Kevin Adams
And obviously Iran started all of that shit in the first place beginning when they seized the Grand Mosque in 1979.
Colton Reyes
Wish it was. Then a guy named Jimmy Carter, the closeted lover of all things Islamic, enabled the ouster of the Shah and the takeover of Iran by radical Islam.
Noah Harris
>Be secular >Issue fatwah against British author for shitting on islam
Ryan Lewis
Not to mention banning Western music and hanging gays from execution cranes.
Wyatt Miller
Saudi Arabia has private charities that fund terrorism. Iran has a government that funds terrorism, also KSA does not have a WMD/missile program.
Juan Baker
Not him, I don't even know if he posts here anymore.
Christopher Robinson
I kind of miss that autist that used to post threads asking how your country executes gays. I think he was from Azerbaijan
Hudson Gray
Chubek emigrated to Canada.
This is him.
Brody Bell
The "Iran deal" is just a meme he used for his campaign.
If he doesn't topple Assad (which he can't), he can't do jackshit about Iran.