Freedom of speech is literally the first amendment and the most important thing in a democracy

>freedom of speech is literally the first amendment and the most important thing in a democracy
>however, non-violent protest is dishonouring your country and equivalent to treason

Someone explain Americans to me please, I don't understand them

>non-violent protest
>non-violent

How many people have been killed by burning a flag?

>How many people have been killed by burning a flag?

also
>freedom of speech
>most important thing in a democracy
no eurohomo country has this. we all have the ''you are free to agree with muh liberalism but anything i dont like is hate speech and illegal'' version

But feelings getting hurts is violence!!!

How many people SHOULD have been killed while they burned the flag ? What has the flag done to offend anyone ?

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fuck off from my cunt

Communists wouldn't understand.

this clown is butthurt for a few jokes they're cracking at him on snl.

stop trying so hard to sound burgerish you faggot
you're embarassing

I think they would actually, perfectly

Burning a Chinese or North Korean flag would certainly get you v&'d in those cunts.

>this clown is butthurt for a few jokes they're cracking at him on snl.

And people are immensely butthurt over things he's said privately years ago. What's yer point?

>OH MY GOD HOW CAN HE SAY THAT FUCKING BIGOT
>OH MY GOD SOMEONE BURNED THE FAG FLAG? GIVE HIM THE DEATH PENALTY RIGHT NOW!

Si voter go back to your cuckcage, you lost.

those people aren't president, you dumb leaf

trump literally cannot handle banter at all

>he fell for trump's goading AGAIN

pawns on a chess board.

This.

Your idea of "banter" is retarded.

Now that Trump is the president of the world he needs to act strong from the beginning. Letting insults go past as "banter" shows weakness.

Getting pissy about diplomatic traditions on Twitter also seems pretty weak desu. His idea of "acting strong" seems to be "do whatever I want and complain on social media when people criticize me".

>Your idea of "banter" is retarded.

A television show making jokes about the president happens in literally every Western country.

>Letting insults go past as "banter" shows weakness.

Ah yes, because the countries where the rulers aren't allowed to be mocked (like Russia, North Korea, Saudi Arabia) are such great examples to follow!

You're an absolute fucking retard.

love how yuros desperately defend burgerland

>A television show making jokes about the president happens in literally every Western country.

Yes, and those leaders are rightfully viewed as weak, and pussies.

When someone makes fun of you you're not suppose to just "laugh with them", that shows you'e a faggot. They are basically calling you a faggot.

>Ah yes, because the countries where the rulers aren't allowed to be mocked (like Russia, North Korea, Saudi Arabia) are such great examples to follow!

People need a strong leader. It's only normal.

Yeah I guess it's different in contrast to most of the world where the leader will clap and say "Yes I'm a faggot hehe im a faggot!".

I think its better than here.

It's not equivalent to treason, it is however disrespectful.
You can do things that are disrespectful, while still having the action be protected by basic human rights.

Now the Americans will see the consequences of electing a reality television star.
Check back on us in a few months, and we will have a one-party federal government with a figurehead king on top of it.

I remember when conservatives were bitching about "king Obama"
Sit down, and wait it out. He will either be interesting, or just another Bush.

>Yes, and those leaders are rightfully viewed as weak, and pussies.

Citation required. What insecure little twerps on Sup Forums believe isn't representative for the population.

>When someone makes fun of you you're not suppose to just "laugh with them", that shows you'e a faggot. They are basically calling you a faggot.

False dichotomy. You pretend as if you can only "laugh with them" or "post sad pathetic twitter rants about them". All civilised leaders choose to pretty much ignore those things because they don't have the time, nor do they care about what some shows says about them. Not Trump though, he's very insecure so he needs to cry about it on twitter like a 12-year old might.

>People need a strong leader. It's only normal.

You didn't answer my question, you avoided it. Answer it, you mentally ill person. Do you consider countries where the rulers aren't allowed to be mocked, like Russia, North Korea and Saudi Arabia to be great examples for the West (and the US in particular) to follow? Because that's what your shitty arguments seem to suggest.

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>Citation required

Citation is simply psychology. People don't respect power if power isn't established from the get-go.

None of the great leaders waited to demonstrate power. You need to act from the start and show you're about action rather than words.

lol all those liberal tears and whining

Trump is 100% right of course

>Do you consider countries where the rulers aren't allowed to be mocked, like Russia, North Korea and Saudi Arabia to be great examples for the West (and the US in particular) to follow?

Russia - No because it's run by Jews.

North Korea - Yes

Saudi Arabia - I don't know enough about their politics to be able to speak on it.

Your idea of "power" is ranting on twitter about a show?

You are very stupid. Very, very stupid.

Anglos are retarded. Both their liberals and conservatives say dumb shit

I dare to say this is different.
One cannot overlook the mental stress of holding the office. Obama visually aged at 3x speed-- imagine what will happen to a thin-skinned, inexperienced hothead such as Trump.
In all likelihood, Trump's appointees will be taking care of decisions for him.

Minus the hotheadedness, and thin skinned portions that was pretty much Bush.

You wouldn't understand.

Your cuck country's greatest values are smoking marijuana while sucking cock and welcoming non-whites.

You consider North Korea a great example for the West.

I've made my point. This discussion is over.

>year of our Lord 2016
>still doubting trump

Why do you people never learn?

At worst he's better than Clinton. At best he will be one of the greats.

Oh and sanders is a retarded kike communist who never accomplished anything.

>says fucking CANADA

>le kike communist

fuck off stormfag

How is it not?

North Korea is a successful country.

Does anybody have any legitimate arguments against Sanders outside of the "lol he's a socialist".
Quite literally the same shit said about Obama and he won. I'm fairly certain that if Sanders was on the ticket he would have gotten those insults so much that he would have won.
The side that attacks the most viciously always loses.

You mean except for the starvation and forced labour camps?

>He ate too many memes for breakfast.

>Eating memes created by the modernists

>Does anybody have any legitimate arguments against Sanders outside of the "lol he's a socialist".

There's simply too many. Everything he says is completely and utterly retarded.

From race relations to how he plans on "making da bankers pay their share"

>read the whole thread
>nobody posted the futurama reference
Disappointed

Ignore ALL leafposts in this thread.
Do not scratch his itch.

Ah yes, it was clearly all a fabrication by the people you don't like, how silly of me.

Could you go into detail on them? I've never heard anybody go into detail on them.

I'm absolutely pro burning any flag, but you have to remember that even nowadays, for the miltary the physical object that is the flag is literally the embodiment of the nation. If you steal or destroy the regiment's flag you're still being very heavily sanctioned.
It all stems from a time where symbols used to be very "real" substitutions for concepts, but we live in an age where we mostly see symbols as, you know, just symbols. On the other side, one thing that each side of US policits seems to agree on is the eternal cocksucking of the military, that is itself an institution whose very core values come from the Modern Age.
So it's like a cultural clash between the fact that everyone should agree that a flag is just a painted piece of cloth and the fact that most people can't really agree on that. I guess this stands even truer in the US where they fucking pledge allegiance to the flag before they can read or write.

>I'm absolutely pro burning any flag

Why?

Burning the flag is legal here (well, with reservations; you can still be arrested for public nuisance or burning things without a permit, but the Constitution prohibits banning the specific act of burning the flag), but is right in that it is the symbol of the nation and national unity, much like the Crown in Commonwealth realms, so you're not treading lightly by burning it.

He explained. I'll try to sum it up.
He is claiming that he believes we should see flags as only symbols, and not real substitutions for what they represent.

Destroying reproducible symbols (not unique artifacts) is an important means of expression against antirevolutionaries.

You're literally burning a symbol of the United States then.

How can you justify that? and why do you think there should be no repercussion for it?

It's an act of non-violent defiance. To me it's little different than burning an effigy of anything. Or just having a peaceful protests somewhere.
The real problem comes when people say you can't have pride in the flag.
It's complicated, and now I'm not sure if I can really describe it much better than Italianon did.

It your property, you're not burning our flag you're burning your flag.

But it was just said that it's a symbol.

If I burned and stomped on the flag of faggots then people would probably call me homophobic or get angry, so why is this any different?

We are a land of freedom, everyone is free. So no one really is.

Are you saying that a powerful entity should punish individuals for destroying symbols?
Should I get sued by DickMonald's for burning the bag my fries came in?
Should singing Confederate war songs be punishable?
Should I get sent to jail because I printed out an image of my university's coat of arms and burned it?

There really isn't a difference imo.
And both should be protected as a form of legitimate expression.
I don't agree with burning the American flag, and could probably never bring myself to do it, but outright banning it would be violating the core value of "I don't agree with what you say, but will defend to the death your right to say it."

>get angry is the same as revoking someone's citizenship or putting them in jail

leaf intellectuals

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Okay after thinking about it I think I know what bugs me about what you said.
It was very well put, but if we don't use a flag as a physical representation of the nation, then what do we direct our pride at? The people, and the land? That would be perfect if our minds didn't categorize things in symbolic ways, but they do. Or perhaps it's just something very hard for me to see happening as an American.

Burn the Quran too.
Why did you post here?

He's a fucking leaf, did you really expect anything but pure drivel from him?

Just burn everything. It's the only way to avoid offending people.

flag represents the country and what it stands for

burning it means you reject all of that, and therefore you should don't deserve any of it

stick to your soros made protest signs you commie fucks

at this point i really hope their greatest fears are realized and they are rounded up by right wing death squads

Flag desecration is a political message in protest of the establishment, it depends on the context but burning the Quran is targeting a minority for their religious beliefs.

I don't care either way but that's the general reasoning.

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What about cross burning?

See

why would anyone ever do that
christianity is literally non-violent

wtf inverted poland

>Flag desecration is a political message in protest of the establishment

Liberals ARE the establishment though

>flag represents the country and what it stands for

>america stands for freedom and democracy
>install dictatorships all over the place

Christianity is pretty fucking violent bro, apparently KKK do it to symbolize their faith in christ tho.

Freedom ain't free :DDDD

There is a case in one of our university wherein a student used our national flag to sweep the floor. And he is stupid enough to let himself be recorded.

Guess what happened to him. Got kicked out of the university.

I understand free speech and all but where is the line? Is there a line? Should there be a line?

If there's a line then there is no free speech.
If the kid did that at the university I would agree with their decision though.

>If the kid did that at the university I would agree with their decision though.
But isn't there also an incident in one of your universities where they burned the USA flag just because Shillary didn't won? And the faculty was "ok" with it? Like what the fuck that's kinda a school property.