Where my Commies at

Where my Commies at

Bernie Sanders go home.

Take your safe rebellion back to cuckbook desu

>>/leftypol/

>Bernie Sanders
>socialist

ITT: we aren't here to "fix" capitalism. We're here to destroy it.

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You never seen the real left before, kiddies.

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Marxism-lenninism is dead. Long ive anarcho-communism

I don't argue over tendencies when it comes to the need for political action. There's one thing we can all agree on - the private ownership of capital must be abolished in order to liberate the people of the world. The economic kings must go the way of the political kings.

>ITT bay area petit bourgeoisie faggots LARPing as the disaffected proletariat

How does it feel knowing that the actual working class hates you commie niggers?

Muh comrade

Pathetic faggots.

Communism is practically mainstream now.

Not trendy unique or cool. Just part of the problem and without a clue.

The gravediggers return, comrade. It is only a matter of time.

But Marxism-Leninism is the only variant of Communism to ever produce a modicum of positive results. Maybe because it's the fashiest.

Looks like the Freikorps missed a few.

>LARPing as the disaffected proletariat
/the-end

B-but muh college denbts

>an ineffective bourgeois liberal made me mad once
>gosh I hate communism

Your critiques might be more effective if you, you know, learned what socialism was about first.

A simpler guide for the mystified

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Hey, remember that time Communism worked and the leader of the communist nation didnt turn into a despot who ruled with an iron fist and totally didnt murder and jail dissenters?

Me neither

>educate yourself, shitlord~!

I've read the communist manifesto. Thought it was pretty gay tbh

also,
>posting mandela as an example of a good communist

fucking kek

best america when

>says the bourgeois college liberal
The working class is nationalist these days. People still remember what a failure communism was.

>muh real communism
Trotskyites go

Cool argument pal. I've literally never heard that one before in my life.

>Communism
>Leader
Please don't imply the USSR was acheived communism

This is funny because the working class is who really loses with communism/socialism/anything that takes from the earners and gives to the lazy. We are more than capable of taking care of ourselves individually. I want no part of your social "utopia".

And I've literally never heard you faggots say anything in response to it except for,

>b-b-but it wasn't REAL gommunism!

Marx called for a despotic socialist state that he thought would eventually dissolve into a magical happy land where there was so money, class or state. It's fucking delusional and based on nothing but 'muh feels'.

Refer to the second part of

They're unable to tell the difference because that would require questioning American propaganda.

And yet you cant give me one example...hm

>so
meant no

Remember when a capitalist state ended up providing all the needs of the people, and there was no poverty or exploitation.

Me neither, Cunt.

>No true scotsman.

>working class
>never had a job
this delusion

Rev up those ovens.

Spanish-fag here, thanking the international brigades from 36 to 38. First step, even before the WW2

As a Georgian speaking for Georgians everywhere. We refuse your faggot ass Georgia flag and commie ideals.

>live in 18th century
>give me one example of successful powered flight
>all I see are people jumping off of buildings and flapping their arms
>therefore powered flight is impossible
>QED

I'm not letting a bunch of douchebags who think they got it ALL figured out tell me how to live my life.
Fuck you, I'll keep my freedom.

>Remember when a capitalist state ended up providing all the needs of the people, and there was no poverty or exploitation.

You misspelled communism

Someone need a ride?

There are more communist theorists than marx and trotsky

Thats cute,
27,000 Americans commit suicide.
5,000 attempt suicide; some estimates are higher.
26,000 die from fatal accidents in the home.
23,000 are murdered.
85,000 are wounded by firearms.
38,000 of these die, including 2,600 children.
13,000,000 are victims of crimes including assault, rape, armed robbery, burglary, larceny, and arson.
135,000 children take guns to school.
5,500,000 people are arrested for all offenses (not including traffic violations).
125,000 die prematurely of alcohol abuse.
473,000 die prematurely from tobacco-related illnesses; 53,000 of these are nonsmokers.
6,500,000 use heroin, crack, speed, PCP, cocaine or some other hard drug on a regular basis.
5,000+ die from illicit drug use. Thousands suffer serious debilitations.
1,000+ die from sniffing household substances found under the kitchen sink. About 20 percent of all eighth-graders have “huffed” toxic substances. Thousands suffer permanent neurological damage.
31,450,000 use marijuana; 3,000,000 of whom are heavy usuers.
37,000,000, or one out of every six Americans, regularly use emotion controlling medical drugs. The users are mostly women. The pushers are doctors; the suppliers are pharmaceutical companies; the profits are stupendous.
2,000,000 nonhospitalized persons are given powerful mind-control drugs, sometimes described as “chemical straitjackets.”
5,000 die from psychoactive drug treatments.
200,000 are subjected to electric shock treatments that are injurious to the brain and nervous system.
600 to 1,000 are lobotomized, mostly women.
25,000,000, or one out of every 10 Americans, seek help from psychiatric, psychotherapeutic, or medical sources for mental and emotional problems, at a cost of over $4 billion annually.

That's literally what you're doing by defending capitalism, retard.

Communism had nearly a century and hundreds of millions of people behind it. What exactly did they accomplish besides criminalizing dissent and creating oligarchies?

at least with capitalism you know the leaders are fucking scum bags but they dont fucking own you.

Yes, but typically the oven fuel that complain about tankies and muh true communist state are Trotskyites

So you're admitting that communism is only possible if ever in a post-scarcity society?

Comrades, it seems that one of our main ideological objectives should be to teach the uneducated precariat the difference between bourgeois liberals and socialists.

Then give me an argument that isn't just

>muh real communism has never been tried
>no I'm not scottish why are you asking

Then if capitalism proves to infringe upon my freedoms, I'll be pissed off.
However private enterprise is the only way to make sure that there isn't a single entity that will ALWAYS have an agenda (government) doesn't take over. Instead, multiple entities are kept in check but allowed to grow and thrive and because of competition will constantly seek to out do each other and thus provide better and better "stuff".

It's 2016, m8. Your 'working class' work at McDonald's.

>Anarchism can't work because without laws everyone will be meanies. MUH free-will. The man is a wolf to man.
Pick up a book

>underageb&

>private enterprise is the only way to make sure that there isn't a single entity that will ALWAYS have an agenda (government) doesn't take over.

It ensures that a single entity - the ruling class - with an agenda - the perpetuation of their economic privilege - will take over. This inevitability is why you have to go through the charade of pretending that government corruption is created within the political system by evil liberal elites of some form (because the suggestion that it's the economically-powerful pulling all the strings behind the scenes contradicts your worldview).

What you think is "socialism" or "communism" is nothing but state capitalism. And there were good historical reasons why the Russian Revolution failed in this way, but that's another conversation.

In an anarchist society, how do you stop people from forming governments and taking things by force?

Right here we'll take over in 2024 Comrade.

I don't know - ask the libertarians. They claim to have it figured out. Or they're trying to bring about neo-feudalism; I'm never quite sure which.

this tbh

>I've read the communist manifesto
Anything else that goes into Leftist thought? Das Kapital, Conquest of Bread, The Ego and Its Own? No? That explains it, then.
Read a book, nigger.

Libertarians believe in constitutional rights and being left the fuck alone. Anyone should be able to do whatever they want as long as it doesn't infringe on anyone's rights or damage anyone's property. This would be best I think

>freedom means having the ability to gain unequal social-political-economic power
>and then use it to oppress others

So your answer is 'Murica? Oh good, you've clearly got it all figured out.

Okay so what falls under this "common ownership?" I am genuinely intrigued. I just hate the vagueness.

Power grows out of the barrel of a gun, nigger.
Mao said that, you like him.

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I'm not denying that capitalism (especially here, in America) can run rampant, but socialism and communism is basically the same thing only worse: not only do you have one entity with an agenda in charge of everything, but they are, I guarantee you, corrupt.
And system that allows for almost to full control over the economy by the government can and will, WILL be taken advantage of. Because it's run by people, and people are douchebags.
A person is smart, people are an unthinking herd that is easily influenced.
Both communism and socialism rely solely on faith in humanity, which is the dumbest move you can make.

I hope all you red scum get hanged for your unnatural and naive views.

Oppression doesn't exist. Everyone individually has the ability to do whatever they want unless they're disabled. Your personal bad or good choices are why you're where you're at today. Don't like it? Make better choices. Or ya know, vote for the govt to take from the earners and give to you

Leeching off of the taxpayers and being unproductive.

Yeah libertarians are pretty shit-tier tbh fam

Fascism is literally the only way to go

Fuck Off Please.

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No. My answer is leave me the fuck alone. I made mine. Go make yours. Just don't expect me to pay for it

An anarchist society does not mean that there are no regroupments of people taking decisions together. It means that there are no representative mandates, driect democracy is mandatory. And if a group tries to build an army to break direct democracy then it will get war. You can also prevent groups of citizens from rebellion with good education and propaganda.

This. Every single political major and wannabe socialist I've ever met has gone straight from their parents house, to college, to univercity then back to their parents house.

While the real working class went from school to work, to a flat/appartment to a morgage.

I love the fact that when Trump gets in to power he won't erase their hilarious student debt or give them anything for free.

Fascism is best of the best, but libertarians and ancaps usually come around to our way of thinking anyway. No point in attacking them,

What if the direct democracy votes in a more authoritarian government?

If you want to have an intelligent conversation about this, then you really have to start understanding socialism from some perspective besides cold war American dogma. Socialists don't want to recreate the Stalinist USSR.

Not even a commie but this is just autistic

I've never heard any form of socialism explained in a way that didn't immediately sound repugnant and enabling of degeneracy, but you're welcome to try.

Am libertarianish. Can confirm. I just wanna be left the fuck alone

Well the principle of direct democracy is that there is no government and that decisions are made by the people, but if the people voted for the end of direct democracy well it would happen and the ones against it would probably leave or it would start a war.

Here's the bottom line you jealous little faggot, Socialism/Communism didn't make my family rich. Competition and a free market did. Some backwoods redneck ranchers that barely finished high school now own some of the biggest dealerships in our state/neighboring states and they did it in a generation. WTF would I want to hear your bullshit about equality and who owns property for?

Anyone, a fucking woman, a nigger, a shitload of asian and indian immigrants (who dominate private business ownership where I live) even your sad, lame, poor family of failures could have gotten a small loan and started selling pickup trucks. BUT YOU DIDN'T. So fuck you. Tough shit. You aren't going to get whats ours. Work harder, pussy.

Probably because it's hard to listen and understand other people when you're repeatedly screaming "muh human nature" at the top of your lungs.

>being this much of a kulak

That's not fair. That dude gave you a solid argument in a low tone without being a dick and you just lost any credibility for your argument by being an ass.

have fun crying about being poor. SMITE ME SMITE ME!!!! you will never achieve your pathetic little goals of a leftist government. i will always be rich. get pissed nigger.

I've also never heard a commie explain why human nature doesn't real
Self-interest and in-groups have been the watchwords since Sumer and no one has been able to change it.

In hell.

They're fucking terrible at arguing with commies though. Typically they just sperg out about muh free markets and leave themselves wide open to the whole "Le communism has never been tried!" nonsense.

I will agree that I prefer them to most other political groups, but still.

>muh anarchism will totally work and won't just lead to petty warlords taking things by force because direct democracy
later;
>if the people vote to be ruled I guess it will just happen
kek

Better dead than Red.

>Tell me of a communism that is not shit
>Solid argument
Are you for real

That wasn't an argument; that was a deliberate misrepresentation of the aims and ideas of socialism, which are the only terms on which angry white American reactionary kiddies will have this conversation.

No.

I'm just saying he responded with a logical argument deserving of the same in return and you figuratively said "ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!?!?" You are not to be taken seriously from this point forward. Btw I'm the guy that just wants to be left the fuck alone