Scientifically, why did China lag behind Europe despite being a more powerful civilization for centuries?

Scientifically, why did China lag behind Europe despite being a more powerful civilization for centuries?

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>despite being a more powerful civilization for centuries?
Because all civilizations stagnate and fall behind eventually.

because they had porcelain so they never needed to invent use glass for containers and drinking, europe used glass, glass is good for experiments = BOOM science

because communism

because they are backwards cunts

Anyone else excited for total war:china?

They didn't invent democracy, modern science nor encouraged critical thinking.
Hence they end up stagnating.

Europeans who visited China in the 18th century commented on the almost complete lack of any social prestige given to scientists or engineers; the highest calling in the land was to be a Mandarin bureaucrat.

The problem was the exploitation of the proletariat by the bourgeoisie until the arrival of the CCP.

inb4 China isn't communist

Because chinks can only innovate to a limited point. Passed this point, they must steal from others.

Because they decided to isolate themselves from the rest of the world, just like I hope you Americans do right now.

East Asian culture values conformity, social stability, and harmony, not individual accomplishment as Western culture does. Japan is a slight exception in that, while still very collectivist, they do accept a higher degree of individual expression.

Opium and European meddling, followed by a bloody dynasty taken down in a bloody revolution, then comes the warlord period when China was divided and ruled by a bunch of warlord who fought each other, in comes CCP and starts fighting the remaining warlord and Chiang Kai Shek, followed by the Great Leap Forward, Deng Xiaoping's reforms, then the economy then based on third world labour and we get to today, a divided China that cannot control all of it's territories (Taiwan, Tibet)

It was like that well before that time when the Ming dynasty decided to practice isolationism.

because they actually reached the pinnacle of enlightenment and civilization and left their earlthy bodies behind as they ascended to space, not caring what happened to their flesh and bone vessels

We are talking modern era though, 20th century and all that.
Forgot to add: buttfucked by the Nips.

>Opium
That put them out of action for a while. Yanks could learn a thing or two from the masters

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>Opium and European meddling
That was already way too late by then.

The isolationism by the Ming is what started it. The nigger Qing dynasty is what held China back the most. Opium/civil war/communism were just icing on the already-burnt cake.

Europe has a bunch of geographical advantages over China and also better farmland. From Europe, one can easily get to Africa, the Middle East, or the Americas. This is not possible in China.

Would China be better off under the Yuan then?

It's astounding to think about the Sung era though when China had stuff that Europe wouldn't have until the 19th century. The Mongol invasions were a blow they never recovered from.

If you want to go further back then, besides isolationism, the Chinese had no external enemies, most fighting they did was internal, like the Japanese. They did no conquering, having steppe nomads to the east, impassable mountains between them and India, and Europeans closing in on the Indochina region. Their culture didn't change much, you had the emperor, bureacrats and a bunch of farmers farming, there was no industrialization, no one trying to seriously advance things, like Peter the Great in Russia. They thought they were the best in the world for centuries, and that line of though didn't change until the Westerners started getting more involved and when Japan modernized, then you get a bunch of factions doing their own thing, a powerless government relying on warlord support and a growing communist movement.

Europe isn't an especially resource-rich area; this was one reason why Europeans were compelled to explore the world. China pretty much had everything they needed in their backyard.

No. It would have been better off under the Song, or even the Ming. Song Dynasty was the high point of Chinese economic and technological development. They were 3 or 4 decades away from industrialization if it werent for Mongolian niggers.

The current regime is the highest point

It's all thanks to Deng Xiaoping desu

Higher tech costs means that they fall behind in technology eventually.

Lack of mil tech caused them to get steamrolled by Europeans.

No it really is not

i'm still trying to figure this out...lacking necessary variables.

It is, his reforms made China into the economic giant it is.
His communism with Chinese characteristics transformed China.

Because China didn't need the Industrial Revolution.

OP you might be interested in this article.
voxeu.org/article/why-china-missed-industrial-revolution

>They were 3 or 4 decades away from industrialization if it werent for Mongolian niggers.
Do you seriously believe that? Industrialization isn't as simple as inventing the technology. Even if they did invent some form of engine, they would need large amounts of unoccupied workers, something England had because of the enclosures during the british agrarian revolution.

It was a very specific process.

China suffers from the lack of a language that's easy to speak and write.

Might be a hard thing to learn and take a lifetime to continue learning the written, but no matter which Chinese language you speak (Cantonese, Mandarin, etc...) the written is always the same, so that's pretty unifying.

In fact the CCP literally had to simplify the characters to establish universal education. Meanwhile most of China's neighbors such as Vietnam and Korea dropped hanji in favor of writing systems that were easier to use.

How did China under go to radical economic R/revolution without any violence or major repercussions?

Why did the Communist Party allow Deng to make China capitalist? Do any modern-day Chinese Communist regret this transformation?

China literally isnt communist you dumb commie chink leaf

Easy: China was in tatters from the Cultural Revolution and Maoism was pretty discredited, also they were worried about the Soviet Union. It made accepting changes simple.

Tiananmen square was opposing Deng's reforms, China keeps most of it's inner problems very hush hush, we only know about Tiananmen square because some journalists happened to be there.

>before ww2
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conquest_dynasty

>after prc
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Leap_Forward
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Revolution

They didn't. The CCP old guard never expected Deng and his allies to go so far. And to be fair, they didn't exactly liberalize China much.
As late as 1989, 70% of the economy was still run by the state. The fall of the USSR caused a more extensive move away from central planning.

Do any modern-day Chinese Communist regret this transformation?
Some do. Maoists mostly. Recently the CCP elites cracked down on these groups. The former premier (ruler) of Chunking was a popular Maoist, and ended up getting removed by the CCP elites.

>executed 4 people
Oh wow what a meanie.

>this post
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm

This is bait.

not bait
kill yourself leftypol

>leftypol
>doesn't even know what the Gang of Four situation was
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Yummy b8.

LOLno. There were mass purges during the last years of Mao and the rise of Deng. The Gang of Four and their supporters were arrested and many sentenced to death. Army units controlled by extreme Maoists rebelled and were crushed by force. Tens of thousands of unreformed Red Guards were put in labor camps.

Trust me, the transition from Mao to Deng was _far_ from peaceful.

So much american """education""" in this thread

Perhaps not industrialization but the Song Dynasty was probably the greatest civilization in the world at its time. Would've been interesting to see what happened if not for those horseniggers from the north. Horseniggers always ruin everything.

Do I fall under American education Zhang?
If I do please tell me so I can read more.

I don't know, depends. Do you support an authoritarian regime that caused the deaths of billions?

If so, then you need to brush up on history.

I don't.
The thing I most dislike about China is it's government. I think federalization would be pretty nice for it, like what India has, where every state pretty much rules itself, but with cooperation between them.

MONGOLS

Same as Russia, India and Arabs: Mongol invasion ruined everything and it didn't touch Europe so you had handicap and invented capitalism first.

Chinks are like ants, all innovation came as a result of scale and age not anything inherently virtuous about their civilization's way of doing things.

Hey, the goths and slavs and huns ruined everything in europe before that

>more powerful civilization
because they weren't

this is such a retarded meme I constantly keep seeing
by this logic, the Mali empire was the richest empire to ever exist
yet it is nowhere on the image

Kublai Khan

Kek, very little has changed lol. The bigwhigs are still government workers.

>Because all civilizations stagnate and fall behind eventually.
Yea, America will probably be the only civilization to buck that trend but this is usually what happens.

You are already starting to stagnate, culturally and technologically, were it not for stuff like Silicon Valley.

Uh...you do know that the world is getting gradually more and more Americanized and local cultures are disappearing.

>you would be stagnating, if it were not for the fact that America has such things as America, and America, as well as America...
You are a LITERAL monkey. It is a miracle that you can even operate a computer. Absolute nigger...

It all went downhill when the Mongols invaded.

one can easily get to Africa, the Middle East, or the Americas. This is not possible in China.

China literally borders India

Chinese are subhuman and their culture is socially toxic.
Traits which you still see to this very day.

Or is American cukture becoming globalized?

Jesuits did a lot for stagnating Qing dynasty and kinda helped them but even that wasn't enough.

>cukture

Well, that's a freudian slip if I've ever seen one.

Roman Empire lasted for more than a millennium, America will collapse, China too

Historically, China needed a major reformation period that simply never came. It wasn't so much that China was stagnant, but rather subject to the ever changing will of successive emperors and occupiers.

The example I always see thrown around is as to why China was never a colonial master, when it was in a far more convenient position to take over large parts of the New World than much of Europe, was that sea travel would be strongly advanced under one dynasty, but would be set back almost entirely by another leader who sought innovation in another area, whereafter much of the progress made in compassing, naval combat and sea travel would be forgotten or fade into obscurity.
China lacked linear societal and leadership progression, and was far more affected by the dice role of dynasties than Western countries were.

>cukture