Why is Western Europe so degenerate?

Why is Western Europe so degenerate?

Because it's the right way to live your life

What's wrong with gay marriage?

Our government isn't a religious institution.

What's right with gay marriage?

Gay marriage doesn't matter but gay adoption makes my blood boil.
It just shouldn't be, fuck "equality" if there's a victim.

All Serbs are gays and perverts

If two people love eachother and want to share taxes, ownership, etc. than it's none of my fucking business. They should be allowed to.

I rarely even got a receipt for purchases made with verbally quoted prices in your cunt. Meanwhile you soak up EU funds.

But we are degenerate, right ?

>british education

>the further from civilization you get the more anti gay it gets

Nothing in particular.

This. I'm ok with them too, unless they start to impose their ideology on others

That's an old map, Ireland allow fag marriage now, thankfully Northern Ireland is the last bastion of basedness in Western Europe

that has nothing to do with gay issue

you probably purchased something in some small grocery store, if you did it in any of the city stores or supermarkets you would get the receipt

yes but it's shouldn't be legalized nor encouraged

The only correct answer.

We are degenerate not because of it. First you give gays right to marry each other, then you make trans-friendly WC's and eventually mental people rule your country. Nothig good about it.

Nothing in particular.

This, all memes aside.

No, city centre bars and restaurants.

>that has nothing to do with gay issue

Fucking with the system on a grand scale actually harms people's quality of life. Accepting gays does not. If you want to see true degeneracy go to your local mosque/church.

>yes but it's shouldn't be legalized nor encouraged

>agrees with my point that gay marriage should be legal
>still doesn't want it legalised
I don't understand

They will never be able to have a normal family and raise properly their kids (doesn't matter how good their parents are) and that's what marriage is about, not just "love"

Are you saying that heterosexual couples that don't have kids shouldn't be allowed to marry?

You have to understand how leftists see this problem. If it's "equality" then being gay isn't worse than being straight. Now spend a few minutes trying to convince yourself this is a fundamental truth, also remember to disregard any information or statistics that challenge this idea. Now that you're done with that, you can continue. If being gay isn't any worse, then it isn't any worse for a kid to grow up with it in their parents.

gay marriage is legal here now

What's so good about being married? I would never marry anyone, especially in western countries, where women literally can fuck you up in case of divorce.

No, that would cause a lot of problems, but yes, if a married couple doesn't want to have kids they sould not have the benefits that married couples have

This. Gay marriage should be legal, but they shouldn't be able to adopt.

>yes but it's shouldn't be legalized nor encouraged

how else you gonna have them share taxes if it's not legal?

>имплaинг в Paхe жeнa нe мoжeт зaбpaть пoлoвинy "coвмecтнo" нaжитoгo имyщecтвa и peбeнкa ceбe
Come on now, user

We aren't discussing whether marriage is good or bad.

>No, that would cause a lot of problems
Same with gay marriage being illegal.

no I meant if they find a way to circumvent the law by living together or doing whatever they want than I guess you can't do anything about it

but approving or supporting gay marriage on country level is insane

was it Federation or Republika Srpska? We in RS do everything by law :3 You will get the receipt

>Fucking with the system on a grand scale actually harms people's quality of life
on a grand scale yes

Eastern Europe doesn't fuck with the system on a grand scale, it's more like medium or low system fucking scale

There's a reason that marriage benefits and child benefits are separate things you know.

Yes, we are fucked up too mate. But I've heard that in some western countries things are even worse.

Wow... get a load of this wanker.

this is true
Gay marriage is legal in the west because marriage as an institution is dead. Nobody sees the point in it anymore because there is none so why not let them get married

my condolences

I'm ok with fags when they keep it quiet. Once they start making muh hurr durr look at me parades or wanting adopt kids, fuck them. They cannot say that it's good for a kid to be raised by a gay couple.

>daddy wheres my mommy

I'm glad cockroachland isn't europe

Why do Bosnian Muslims drink alko and eat prašič?

>no I meant if they find a way to circumvent the law by living together or doing whatever they want than I guess you can't do anything about it
>but approving or supporting gay marriage on country level is insane

I really don't understand.
Marriage lets you have shared ownership, pay taxes together, etc. How can anyone circumvent the law in those cases?
Allowing the gay marriage spares those people a lot of hurdle so I think it's worth it.

That's true, but that doesn't mean gay marriage should be allowed

Marriage benefits exist to encourage people to have a family and have kids, or do you think they exist just to make people "happy" with their partner?

What an argument

>If ain't illegal it's encourage
Third world shitlord mentality desu

They learn how to be a future slovenian :^)

They've run out of real problems to solve so they're making artificial ones up.

marriage is such a bullshit christian concept i don't even know why the faggots want to get married. it should be civil union for everyone: straight people, faggots, zoophiles, necros, what ever. just agree on how you'll divide wealth when you decide to say 'fuck off' to each other and be done with it.

>Marriage benefits exist to encourage people to have a family and have kids
Explain child benefits then.

They adopt orphans. Better some kind of family than nothing

the western attitude of legalising everything isn't going to end well
people are animals and need to be told what they can and cant do

>That's true, but that doesn't mean gay marriage should be allowed
Why not? Isn't law supposed to create order and help citizens?

Yes. This is the last nail in the coffin of the idea of a family as a unit of production in favor of the idea of it as a unit of consumption.

>need to be told what they can and cant do
not that i don't agree with you, but isn't the purpose of law precisely that?

Also this

dis

>people are animals
Nice, you did your homework, congrats
>and need to be told what they can and cant do
By whom? Other animals?

>prašič
pig? svinja?

a large enough group of similarly minded animals come up with a social agreement

They exist to encourage people even more, if you already are married but still think having kids it's too much of a problem (which happens a lot), child benefits help you with that

But you're missing the whole point, marriage is not a "religious" or "cultural" thing, it's about raising normal citizens in a normal family, that's why people who are married and have kids have many benefits from the government, by allowing gay marriage to exist, the concept of marriage losts its whole purpose and people will just marry for the sake of doing it

>Allowing the gay marriage spares those people a lot of hurdle so I think it's worth it
but why would we allow something that's degenerate and could have bad influence on rest of population? Plus people are really not comfortable seeing gay pairs in public, it's fucking disgusting

It's like you would allow 2 people to beat each other to death just because they want to (both of them). It doesn't matter if it will cause trauma on people watching that scene

Yes, the yank was saying that not having laws encourage doing something which it obviously does considering laws are the only things that stop people doing most things

>Nice, you did your homework, congrats
always nice to see an american who actually believes in evolution

>By whom? Other animals?
Yes, other smarter animals who don't want to change things on a whim or because it makes them feel less selfish

Zara ir duvara on dzenetica cikma and some shitty place for nargile in the old town, so both in Sarajevo. Such violations of ordnung really fuck me off, especially since I really liked your cunt.

>We in RS

I entered through RS in a car with alboshit license plates. The border guard wanted to check all through our suitcases.

Da, eto tak
but if you don't have kids the gommies will surpass your population in your cunt

>alboshit license plates
fugg :D why the fuck did you have Albanian license plates?

fair enough. i didn't really follow your discussion

what are you? a special kind of retarded? the commies will be outbred soon despite a lower than 2.0 birth rate

Because I flew into Tirana

what if one of them is already married? that'd be polygamy. but then it's none of your business, because two people love each other.

what if one of them is a child? that'd be pedophilia. what do you say to that? it's none of your business?

>the commies will be outbred soon
why is it always that good kind of people get outbred?

I like your hair :3

>But you're missing the whole point, marriage is not a "religious" or "cultural" thing, it's about raising normal citizens in a normal family
Then again, why are heterosexual couples without kids allowed to be married?

>the concept of marriage losts its whole purpose and people will just marry for the sake of doing it
You say that it's not a religious thing but

>degenerate
>bad influence
Nice buzzwords. Seems you are going from a very religious standpoint. I value people's freedoms more.

>Plus people are really not comfortable seeing gay pairs in public, it's fucking disgusting
Not all people and not an argument.

>I value people's freedoms more.
freedom doesn't mean you can do whatever you want

why do you think so

>Then again, why are heterosexual couples without kids allowed to be married?
I already told you, they shouldn't, but it would be a big problem, many times bigger than not allowing gay marriage

>You say that it's not a religious thing but
Because it's not, people wouldn't marry to have a family, but just to take the benefits from it without accomplish the whole purpose of it

>what if one of them is already married? that'd be polygamy. but then it's none of your business, because two people love each other.
It's ok
>what if one of them is a child? that'd be pedophilia. what do you say to that? it's none of your business?
Kids have special protection under law as they are not fully able to judge like an adult. So in this case the law should not allow marriage.

*but by law marriage is only a shared tax and ownership institution, not about raising citizens.

you don't have to think all that much when the data is staring in your face...

As long the other part is a consenting adult and you don't limit other people freedoms you can do whatever you want.

>I already told you, they shouldn't
Then the only two just options are banning marriage of two people who don't have kids (and allow them and gays to have civil unions) or legalising gay marriage. Either is fine for me.

wrong

I can give you tons of examples that 2 adult people consent to and that don't limit other people freedoms which are completely wrong

go on

Hvala. Are you a gril ?

Ponzi scheme, ya cunt.

If someone signs a deal, it's his fault.

no he thinks you're a girl

this
I have no issues with anyone as long as they mind their own business

It's disingenuous and immoral, ya dense cunt. If you accept to the terms and conditions of wahtever shit porn site you go to without reading and then they post your porn info on facebook, it's still wrong even if you consent.
Consent is the best ally for exploitation. Machiavelli said if you make people think they consented to something you can make them do anything even things they're against.

Shit was great in my country, they were going to make a referendum on gay marriage, polls give a 86% that NO will win.

L-lets forget the referendum and approve it anyway...

> ideology
Liking men is as much of an ideology as liking milk.

>It's disingenuous and immoral,
Should have read the contract and done some research before joining the scheme.
I have no pity for stupid and impetuous people.

That would be awkward

>would be

*tips*

Why is Eastern Europe so degenerate?

outdated map

Damn Finland, control your mongol genes.

they're mongols in denial

>russia is somehow a bastion of tradition values because sometimes it's mean to gay people

>meanwhile it has higher rates of abortion, violent crime, drug use, rape, divorce, and corruption than the "degenerate west"

>Eastern Europe

You mean, former countries of the USSR?

Yes that's Eastern Europe