What the FUCK is wrong with Spain's reputation man?
We (most of us at least) do know that Germany, Netherlands, Sweden, etc. are more developed than our country. That's really all that's wrong with Spain besides the unemployment, it's just not up to par with the rest of western Europe in terms of technology and education. It'd be naive to deny this.
However for some weird reason the whole world seems to think that this is a hellhole. Americans and Canadians think it's a latino country. Latinos think the recession hit us so hard that we're now poorer than Venezuela and that we "got what we had coming for stealing muh gold". Literally indians think Spain is more of a shithole than their country too, I've seen indians say that.
WTF man? Did you know that since the height of the recession, with 30% unemployment, it dropped to 19% already? And it was never that bad in the first place anyway. What has the media been saying in foreign countries?
i unironically saw a report on our first channel that people in andalusia are going on lines waiting for their daily soup and people are starving
might have something to do with this, but then again news are mostly complete bullshit and cherrypicking
Christian Wright
>i unironically saw a report on our first channel that people in andalusia are going on lines waiting for their daily soup and people are starving
wew lad, i would have never expected that. i thought at least other euros knew spain. thats as far from the truth as it gets by the way, the south is shitty but they're all on welfare paid by the north so its ok
feels bad because economy is mostly about psychology so those memes are likely hurting our recovery in one way or another
Nathaniel Long
Spain is italian, france, greece, portugal tier.
t. American
Logan Torres
most americans disagree with you on that
what brings you here btw
Brayden Bailey
You can't spell PIGS without Spain, my friend
Matthew Young
Spain being italian,france,portugal tier is bad?
Brody Hall
why are you doing mate? nobody wants your ass here
Mason Anderson
pigs = portugal italy greece spain. stillvnot literally worse than india
they changed it to piigs for ireland by the way
the "smart" letter order is because germans are assholes
Thomas Peterson
Spàin is not france tier..south Portugal,Italy and greece yes
Joseph Scott
south european*
Jaxon Myers
>Spàin is not france tier by that logic, portugal and greece would be on an even lower tier
Henry Cox
spain is doing better than italy except in unemployment. I still think it would be better for spain to balkanize.Either leave andalusia or fully balkanize into differente regions.What's the fucking point of having a big population and alot of regions if you can't distribute wealth properly
Christopher Kelly
mate we love spain. it's the best place to annoy the locals on holiday. Latin/Mediterranean tier as in a bit poorer other European countries and have the stereotypeof being lazy fucks
James King
never give up an empire
Kevin Powell
>and have the stereotypeof being lazy fucks which is a meme btw. we are the most hardworking in europe literally, thats why there are so many unemployed, the ones with a job get everything done
Robert Stewart
well some americans confuse spain with mexicans but that's not the majority
i'm studying here for a semester no it's a good thing, in america we consider this the best part of europe university. did an american fuck your bitch or what?
Hudson Scott
idk Spain has a good reputation here >bullet trains, decent cities >nice beaches, good weather >muh barca muh real
Jonathan Watson
No.You have alot of unemployment because of lack of investment.External and internal.
Connor Gray
>That's really all that's wrong with Spain besides the unemployment, it's just not up to par with the rest of western Europe in terms of technology and education. It'd be naive to deny this.
What doesn't have a good reputation in hungary?Even somalia has good reputation in hungary
Jonathan Cooper
and they are fucking it up with memes and lies. nice
Juan Turner
In my hometown, Spain's reputation begins and ends with Barca and Real. We don't think anything bad about you guys, although your accents seem a little silly to us (why do you say "cabetha" instead of "cabeza"?).
Zachary Jenkins
Which is good. GDP is something that keeps growing.If your population keeps decreasing then gdp per capita will increase.The pension system may be troublesome but it's just only a small part of the problem. We don't need an increasing population when machinese are replacing people on major labour markets
Nathan Evans
the arabic ''h'' you got the galician spanish,thank us
Daniel Lee
CHI
Oliver Murphy
more like, we say 'cabeza' and latinos say 'cabesa'
Connor Gonzalez
I lived in spain for afew years, it was pretty nice t.bh exept for the unemployment
Wyatt Ross
>university. did an american fuck your bitch or what? why do you go to England? fuck u and all guriis
Grayson Davis
>CHI
No, cubano. We don't really have Mexicans in Miami either, only Colombians/Venezuelans/Argentines.
Aiden Morgan
>why do you go to England? fuck u and all guriis because england fucking sucks and spanish is my native language
spain is the most accepting country of guiris in europe btw
Hunter Carter
mate, honestly no body ossociate us with france are you idiot? also i don't want
Brody Price
siesta
Robert Ramirez
kek
William Ross
>spanish is my native language ok sudaca
Alexander Anderson
>The pension system may be troublesome but it's just only a small part of the problem.
It seems like a huge part of the problem, what happens when you run out of people to pay into the system?
>If your population keeps decreasing then gdp per capita will increase.
Not necessarily, what if the economy as a whole shrinks due to a lack of investment or other problems? Look at Spain since 2008 GDP. And GDP per capita can increase even with a rapidly growing population. The US and Chinese populations have both tripled since 1945, and the GDP per capita of each country has grown by even more than that.
Jack Martin
*Look at Spain's GDP since 2008.
Parker Price
in america we do i'm a white american of mexican/spanish descent
Carson Smith
>i'm a white american of mexican/spanish descent ok sudaca
Carter Carter
Not that other brit, but there is truth in the meme. I work for a big multinational insurance company, and after latin America and Switzerland, Spanish business is the hardest to write. Everything about your country and culture seems to be inefficient
Brody Barnes
>in america we do
No we don't. If anything we associate France more with England and Germany. Spain is more associated with Italy and the latino countries.
>white american of mexican/spanish descent
kek
Noah Baker
for us you are mexican, or sudaca...
Elijah Harris
france is very much associated with spain. the architecture, romance language, they even border each other. people with think about barcelona, paris, rome, etc. no one would think about england or germany particularly southern france is very much like spain/italy. i'm guessing you've never been to europe? is that a bad thing the women seem to enjoy it
Anthony Nguyen
>that people in andalusia are going on lines waiting for their daily soup and people are starving
WTF men? I know there are many unemployment in the south but I have never seen that shit happening over here.
Charles Flores
>france is very much associated with spain. the architecture, romance language, no
Hunter Lopez
Hardest to write? what's that supposed to mean m8?
Our culture is inefficient because of Franco I think. He put us in the wrong timezone, divided the work day in two parts with a siesta inbetween, and promoted worker's rights above all, to the point that they damaged the economy. Some of those things stick for generations. In Spain at work it's also actually not frowned upon to be late as long as you leave a little later too (max 15-20 minutes obviously).
That's all as far as I know. We aren't worse at getting things done at all, I know you didn't say that but some people does.
Liam Walker
>over here lazy andalusian detected. i bet you just woke up
Joseph Powell
>cabeza
Why do you think we spell things with s, c and z if according to sudacas they're all pronounced "s"?
What if Pepe Le Pew told you you should start writing like zis, sing instead of thing, etc etc?
Does el cura casó a dos siervos del señor mean the same as el cura cazó a dos ciervos del señor? Then why do you pronounce them the same?
Use your brain burgerbro
Jose Moore
I agree with the burger. I associate France with Germany and the UK and not with Spain.
Landon Gutierrez
This argument is dead before it started because you're still pronouncing c and z both the same like "th"
Anthony Collins
>muh timezone
This meme needs to die. Jornada partida has nothing to do with the timezone and everything to do with cultural eating habits.
Cameron Perez
Not at all. C only works as "th" for ce, ci. It becomes "k" with a, o, u. Z, which is essentially a foreign letter, is an auxiliary in this case for the remaining za, zo, zu, and words with foreign etymologies.
Nicholas Foster
portugal/southern spain/southern italy northern spain/southern france, northern italy northern france/belgium/southern england northern england/scotland/ireland netherlands/denmark/germany finland/sweden/norway
there you go
Jordan Harris
But that is false. >Ca >Co >Cu The C sounds like a K >Ci >Ce It sounds like a th
Adrian Rodriguez
i didnt say it did. the timezone thing is just annoying. and dont forget it encourages overtime in a way as it gets dark later
jornada partida sucks because it leaves no time to just chill at home, its gone in most jobs but the culture sticks in a way: several times people takes over an hour for lunch
i hate leftists as much as the next guy but i hope Franco had just seized power, killed all hateful rojos he could, settled spain a little, then gave way to a democracy, instead of that super long dictatorship
Chase Peterson
>france is very much associated with spain. the architecture, romance language, they even border each other
It really isn't, at least not here. It's France/England/Germany and Italy/Spain/Portugal for most people.
>i'm guessing you've never been to europe?
No, and neither have most Americans. Remember, I'm talking about how Americans think of Spain, not how Europeans think of it.
>people with think about barcelona, paris, rome, etc. no one would think about england or germany
Paris and London go hand in hand in American popular culture.
Mason Anderson
The point is if you're going to use the argument that all letters should have distinct sounds then eurospanish fails in the same way
I'm aware that it can also be like a K but I'm talking about the times when it's the same as a Z
Joseph Rivera
But it doesn't create a comflict writting wise. There are clear rules when to use c or z
Charles Fisher
in andalusia we pronounce c,z,s the same too
i don't know why these guys are trying to defend their shitty lisp
William Green
>The point is if you're going to use the argument that all letters should have distinct sounds then eurospanish fails in the same way
My point is that latin american spanish requires even native speakers to learn apparently pointless spellings by rote. Rote learning fails, even for better-educated people: if I had a dime for everytime I've seen one write "nesecito"...
Ooga booga go back to Africa
Jason Gray
this are you seriously trying to discount london
John Lopez
>in andalusia we pronounce c,z,s the same too el sevillANO
Zachary Moore
Fucking Guiri. At least I hope that you think that our food is GOAT else...
Easton Thomas
there's an argument to be made with northern france and southern england i suppose, but france is very much grouped with the other Mediterranean countries. the culture is nothing like german or english culture. I am an american and always grouped southern france in with italy and spain so i dont know what to tell you.
Xavier Peterson
Sorry, when I say "write" I mean get involved with, say if we insure a Spanish company.
Its strange because I don't think your working culture is too different to ours. In the UK people don't necessarily have to stick to your hours perfectly either, as long as your work gets done noone cares. People drinking at lunchtime is perfectly normal. It's just that your contracts are inefficient, you're always late, and you don't seem good at setting up deals. No disrespect of course
Julian Perry
what's good spanish food? i think paella is pretty good, jamon is okay but overrated, tortilla is alright
mexican food and italian food are better. spain is pretty good i guess
Lucas Bell
Nah, I am sleeping while I write this.
Zachary Gray
>France and Spain and Italy in the same tier as portugal and fucking greece
fuck off
Carson Foster
>what's good spanish food? >mexican food and italian food are better Ok you have to go back human scum
William Gutierrez
Spain, Italy, Portugal and Greece in the same tier is pretty common
Definitely wouldn't put France in there though
Elijah Rodriguez
He's right though, Spanish food is nothing special. Italian and Mexican are far better.
Before you say it I'm fully aware that English food is shit and would never argue otherwise.
Ryder Carter
North Italy and North Spain (minus galicia) are definitely nothing like Greece though, they're very similar to France
Don't know about the south though
Hudson Bailey
The only truth is that everywhere we go, we fuck em bitches. We have the party in our soul. Thats why they talk shit about us.
Ryder Lewis
>No disrespect of course
its ok. conversations like this are the whole point of Sup Forums
no idea about deals or contracts, i work in tech. every once in a while my team goes to a restaurant for lunch in which we have a 3 or 4 course meal (not sure if the translation is ok) and end up taking 2 hours. that's what i meant, not drinking.
i agree about being late btw. here you kind of cant always count on other people being on time, for anything. for work related stuff its not as bad obviously, and even then its still kind of an issue. but in my line of work it doesnt matter at all
Daniel Torres
in my case i dont even have that going for me as im fucking autistic. fuck.
Owen Ramirez
>He's right though, Spanish food is nothing special. Italian and Mexican are far better. Maybe if you are a filthy pleb like yourself. Most modern cusine is pouring out of Spain and French cooks are autistically copying
Gavin Myers
Spanish ham is the best in the world and Spanish seafood is the best in Europe, you're mad
To average English people you're all just catholic holiday destinations
Tyler Jenkins
>it dropped to 19% already?
That's still one in five and I bet your youth employment is abysmal.
Christopher Adams
>France >catholic
absolutely haram
Jose Murphy
jamon is the most overrated shit in the world what the fuck
lmao okay mate name me some amazing spanish food that i should try. I'm not trying to bully, I love Spain and I've spent a lof time there. But the food is not great.
Robert Edwards
>jamon is the most overrated shit in the world what the fuck its the fucking best though
Tyler Cruz
just don't understand it
it's not bad, but it's just ham. just a slice of ham.
where can I find some good jamon then? I want to be wowed by jamon iberico truly i do
Jason Johnson
I was until 19, when I forced myself into social situations. Now with 23 im a totally normal guy. The only way to solve problems is to face them man. Chins up.
Camden Cooper
You have being in tourist traps which is pretty common in Italy and Spain. If the best chefs in the world are basically 40% Spanish it has to be for a reason.Stay a filthy pleb while 90% of the culinary world just revolve around copying our cuisine
Jaxson Martinez
Yeah, same here with the lunches. The drinking is just an example of how it's relaxed. People can basically do whatever they want as long as they get their work done. This is probably different in other industries. Your translation was correct btw
I don't think its Spanish people that make it that way, I think it must be something about your working culture or environment. You could be right, it could be something from your history. We have negative influences as well from our history - our working culture means that you basically have to work extra hours for free to be considered normal, for example. You have it good.
Why are you calling it "jamon", that just means ham. If you tried the good stuff you'd change your mind
Evan Cox
Not really, when I go to Spain I spend time with my Spanish friends, I don't go as a tourist.
I like tortilla but that's about it. I have not tasted any Spanish food that has made me think "wow" compared to Italian food which will consistently be amazing.
Sorry.
John Bell
Everyone's a chi bud
Landon Wright
to be honest i get mine in the supermarket, so nothing special
and i find it to be so much tastier than any other kind of ham
i did that at 16, which turned my insane social anxiety (couldnt even ask a stranger what time it was, would panic if talked to...) into more or less being able to function normally. afterwards it kind of got fucked because of family problems, but im still functional which is nice.
after that i havent had the time or energy to work on this again as unfortunately i have several other problems, other than by getting and keeping a job im forced into social situations and slowly making progress.
im 23 too btw
Isaac Nelson
I know what it means, I speak spanish to a basic level. It's just quicker to type and everyone knows what I'm talking about
Carter Evans
I think Spain is as developed as Sweden or Finland.
It doesn't seem like it because Spain has 80 million people and nordic countries barely have any people at all
Luis Campbell
>jamon is quicker to type than ham
what did he mean by this?
William Taylor
I like Spain, the people there are really friendly.
Josiah James
same here lads, was autistic as fuck until 19 when i went to uni and forced myself to change. 24 now but i would say i fully converted to normie at about 23 too
Jackson Perry
kek i thought the same
insanely friendly. being socially awkward is hard here. fortunately as the country is in shambles the metro closes at 2am so i have an excuse to leave parties early when invited
Jaxson Perez
>metro closes at 2am But this is not even true. At least in Spic capital
Sebastian Lewis
kek i mean it's quicker to type than jamon iberico
Jayden Lopez
Life is hard guys, everyone have his own problems. Its on us to make it worth living.
David Watson
this, don't put fucking germanic rapebabbies celtucucks in the same sentence of SPQR heirs
Logan Flores
im in madrid and it does, 2 or 2:30 or something like that, and i leave parties at around 1:30 "just in case" if i get tired of being there awkwardly barely talking
i mean i strive to put myself in social situations but after a few hours it can get awkward and i just want to call it a day and leave
well said m8
Andrew Perez
have been to madrid 5 times this year and can double confirm your metro closes at 2