street fighting/ self defense thread: what does Sup Forums think is most efficient or effect system/martial art to use to defend yourself or fight outside of competition?
>Training and competing in mma. 5 years mma,13 years muay Thai, 1 year krav maga. I teach the junior Thai classes, some beginners classes, and i personal train the paranoid uni students in mma catered towards self-deference for £45 ($65) an hour.
> what are some of your favorite techniques you have actually used and why?
>what do/did you train and how long for?
>any stories or experiences? ill give my 2 cents too.
Xavier Turner
Shotokan for 5 years, Palé wrestling for 4 years, Krav maga for 1 year, not a martial art but tackle football for 8 years. Tore my mcl in Wrestling twice, turns out I dislocate very easily. Can't wrestle any more and probably shouldn't fight, feels bad man.
Leo Young
O and the first time my mcl tore in was in practice before a tourny, wrestled the tourny and came out with bronze, leg was dislocating as I was half nelsoning a guy
Brody Miller
fuuuuck fuck that shit man. hows everyday walking?
Cameron Roberts
years of sitting at pc watched a fair amount of fighting vids played alot of strategy games im living at the first floor therfore i do work out can eat twice as much as an average person ma nigga,the real question is woud you stand a chance against me?
Christian Morales
anything on the ground is shit for street fight; you're opponent might have back up around and just not a good idea
muay thai for 5 years, boxing for 3, and jui jitsu mixed with mma on and off for a couple of years. not really worth mentioning though, havent done it enough
not really any stories, just train in case of a fight and to look good
favorite technique is jump knee and then back elbow, usually knocks out very quickly
Brandon Ross
Martial arts - krav maga Strength - basic weight training Power - rugby league or other heavyily physical sport Precision/ stand up technique - boxing
I boxed for about 2 years and i currently study krav maga twice a week, rugby train twice a week and go to the gym 3-4 days a week.
I dont claim to be the best figther by a long shot, but damn will i give you something to remember me by if you do fight me.
Kayden Hill
Everyday walking is good now since I strictly followed physio but need to wear a brace when I do anything like hiking, longboarding, running. The joint is super lax now.
Colton Sullivan
yeah, but if you have to, ide rather have it than not. i feel the initial takedown itself and a couple follow up shots are more safe than the control factor itself. us mma guys can sometimes exaggerate how safe controling on top can be. like you say,what if he has a buddy
Joshua Sanchez
diplomacies a pretty good one, you know, using your words and reason and shit
Wyatt Reed
>op here massive dump of hugely biased supeperioty complex opinion inbound soon lads
Noah Peterson
Krav Maga is very good. Adds illegal moves not allowed in mma, (although don't assume mma fighters don't know how to use them) as well as weapons defense, multiple attackers, concrete, situation awareness ect. It teaches you mma to a level that is useful, you will be competent ENOUGH In mma I suppose, and if your school is very very good they MAY offer mma at the krav maga school too. It is basically street specific Skills that are rather helpful, with really shit muay Thai plus eye pokes and groin shots, with the hip toss and trips from judo, double legs and singles legs from freestyle wrestling; and shit jiu-jitsu with weapons defense; All awkwardly plastered together. That's It basically it, But I DO recommend it for self defense purposes only, it will make you competent enough to handle a total novice. However if you fight a competent and skilled fighter, very talented in one particular art, expect to loose. And against an mma guy your dead, unless you get a lucky groin kick lol. >I did try aikido. It was barely usable. Its 10% useful judo, 5% useful Krav maga weapons shit. And 100% pure bullshit. You might beat a one legged retard with aikido. But by god. the laughs i had at those fucks
Logan Morales
imagine if u could only post if the viewer could see your face through webcam with a bunch of stats next to it like maxs bank accounts etc name social security number whatever
whatever goes 100% legal so long as the cameras on and shits disclosed
Hudson Hill
kids in the western system should compulsory go through grecko roman, boxing, weights, gun & knife training from the age of 13, add 2 more school hours on to the week. shit like that
Gavin Morris
you should trademark that shit user, i bet that fuckery could somehow work. its a refreshing idea
Samuel Morris
but jeus, imagine the shitshorm when a fight happens, and the bullies would be fulled. imagine chad with mma too. fml.
Oliver Cook
Done taekwondo and mma for about 5 years, never been in any fights though
Colton Carter
theres this socio theory of gravity that anyone trying to escape the pack will be "pulled" back down/in by the force of the masses. its why things like no gun prohibition works, social evolutionary pressures of natural selection, quick draws come out, criminals dont follow the laws anyway, eventually all get shot and stop breeding.
same thing too from a mental aspect of those that can control their intake & access to psychadelics
(terrence mckenna food of the gods etC)
Jaxson Johnson
your thoughts on how useful they both would be if you did get into a confrontation, the speed a good wheel kick would catch off most people, and you could really step if with a side kick/turning side kick hard against the average noob
Juan Bennett
>op and his faggoty opinion here
As much as I like boxing, kickboxing, karate, tkd ect, I feel muay Thai is the best striking art from mma for a street fight. Push kicks are key in every self-defence class or system. Plus leg and middle kicks can be a great long range weapon and are devastating to your average Joe. Elbows, knees and clinch plus clinch sweeps is very very useful in many situations. with just enough boxing to see you through, while it's the punching in muay thai isn't as high level or as deep as in boxing, there isn't too much of an emphasis on slips, which if done wrong (especially against an unpredictable and inexperienced opponent who won’t likely punch traditionally) can get you knocked out, or at least do more harm than good of you aren't VERY skilled at boxing. And the emphasis on blocking and flat footed-ness while standing ground while pressuring, taking little risk, is something very useful that not many people mention about muay Thai.
Jordan Price
A jab followed by an elbow is the best way to win a fight, especially if the person starting shit try's to get up in your face first, or if can pull it off, head kicks
Noah Phillips
elbows and underused and need more hespect. period.
Nathaniel Ward
I train regularly with Kelly Mccann and Lee Morrison. Brutal, effective techniques designed for street fighting, not sport focused.
Brandon Lopez
>more of op's fagotry
Next I do feel you should likely add to some form of grappling. Sure muay Thai has some, but judo or some wrestling form would be very helpful. I personally am not good wrestler (I'm British lol) Using concrete as a weapon from a good double leg or slam from wrestling is always fun. Plus single legs are a very safe and reliable option. Judo is awesome too. Your average person won’t be able to stop the trips that often very subtle and safe. And a good hip toss can be devastating on concrete. Both are amazing. Both will teach you to keep good balance and not be taken down. Both will teach some level of ground grappling and MAY even teach some submissions. All depends on school and the type you study ect. You may not even need to take Brazilian jiu jitsu. If your grappling art doesn't teach top control and escaping bottom plus submissions and choke defence, You will NEED bjj. The gi can be useful for street too. Learning bjj WILL teach you ground control at an unparalleled level. In one on one situations, a bjj guy with 6 months training will beat an inexperienced guy with up to like a 60 pound weight advantage 99% of the time. And the bottom defence and stand ups is undeniably useful. You MAY not need bjj if your judo/wrestling class teaches a deep ground game.
>minimalist style, enough to see you through: muay thai and judo/wrestling (possibly with BJJ)
Elijah Nguyen
lemme google this real quick
Jack Bailey
A gun, what you're really asking is what style will be most effective againt an untrained oponent and the answer is all of them. If protection is solely the goal then avoiding a physical confrontation is best.
Nicholas Price
Best techniques: would go for krav maga, as they work with how you usually will get attacked, no bullshit situation. Did taekwondo for 5 years, and got not very much transferable knowledge from there. Pretty useless sport, other than fighting competitively.
But the best you can do: lift weights and become big enough that people don't even wanna try.
Asher Howard
urban combatives is commercialism fear mongering bullshit
Grayson Flores
You'd like Lee. Check out some of the videos of his worshops/training sessions
Kayden Robinson
yeah this is a decent point man
William Bell
apologies user, i was thinking of raw combat international. im not really educated enough to have a solid opinion on urban combatives yet. will give them a look, thanks.
Carter King
boxing is the best, fuck all that gay jujitsu and krav maga shit
Cameron Adams
bait detected lad
Cameron Collins
+1
Joseph Rivera
an expensive lawyer
Jordan Myers
If agree with you for the majority of "combatives" instructors out there, and would lump krav maga in there too (it's "hot" so you get a lot of bandwagoners who don't know shit) but you're wrong about urban combatives. No hype, no bullshit
Samuel Lee
u what? id you like to see you try your gay krava maga shit on me when i break ur nose with 1 punch
Jonathan Carter
is he in the uk user? where abouts
Jeremiah Perez
oi, u wot m8? ill do you in lad
Xavier Wright
it seems simmilar to krav maga. and a little bs, so far
Oliver Rivera
Lee's based in the UK but travels the world these days. He's frequently in the US, so not hard to work with him, primarily in Detroit and Chicago, occasionally in ohio
Jose Anderson
ill look into it, but so far it looks like shit krav maga. although i got my instructorship in krav maga after just one year, any fucker can teach it, im lucky my school was good,
Aiden Brown
In all honesty a basic understanding of boxing will win you 99% of street fights.
Blake Cruz
Keep it in the ring
Nicholas Cook
ide say 30% there is no clinch knees or ground game or throws, takedown, elbows, no teachingyou how to stand up from he bottom ect,
everyone in america wrestles you need to know how to stop takedowns and will off your back. its that simple
Samuel Kelly
American detected
Mason Brown
i was thinking the same thing. her majesty's master race here. no not really, we kinda suck
Hudson Hill
No training, just born in a shithole and got to fight a lot. Now I'm out my skills probably degraded but still.
Logan Wilson
where lad?
Leo Nelson
mma is superior peasants
Parker Scott
NE of London. Used to be in one of those shitty gangs. A lot of feuds.
Levi Fisher
hackney here lad
Charles Martin
Krav maga for close to 11 years now, I also boxed for about 6 of those years. Don't really street fight so never had to really put my training to the test on the street
Jordan Parker
why the fuck has everyone trained crav maga, i trained for one year and get paid to teach it with mma. its gonna become a voodo watered down bullshit art iin the next 5 years i know it
Aiden Rodriguez
So how would a pure martial art style go in a street fight? I feel like the martial art would win but at the same time street fighting is a lot more unpredictable and has no rules, whereas most martial art styles have rules of use applied
Noah Bailey
I remember a time we rolled around the edge of Hackney and fucked up a group of blackies. We never had reason to go over there. Put up too much resistance.
Anthony Long
Hit first, hit hard, aim for the head, don't stop.
If you insist on fighting fair, just keep your guard high, lead with your left and follow with your right. Left foot forward. Unless you're left handed, then do the opposite.
Isaac Richardson
Funny actually, the only time we ever stayed in Hackney was when that Turk gang stabbed one of us.
Lincoln Ward
Gun im pocket
Christopher Harris
its already on the same level as aikido dont kid yourself
Xavier Phillips
First technique is the foot to pavement technique. Apply feet to pavement Until foes recede from view. Second technique is the fist to face technique, which is very similar to the first technique.
Jaxson Wright
no not really, its evolving with the times actually, there are some great instructors out there incorporating new shit.
Gavin Gonzalez
agree with this. Boxing for fast knockout/hard hits and 2nd jiu jitsu stuff that's effective to counter a stronger opponent. If we talk about real life, knifes are fucking dangerous, i got stabbed and did not realize it till i wen't down to blood loss. In combat mode even a girl wouldn't not feel a stab. I broke that fuckers jaw tho and he got 2 years. >knifes are worse than guns, most times the guy is to shy to pull the trigger but a knife guy does not think and just goes for it
Jacob Nelson
theres 2 types of fighters imo
all fighters in this day and time fall into 1 of 2 catagories