Why don't you btards support the inevitable worker revolution to end all wage slavery?

Why don't you btards support the inevitable worker revolution to end all wage slavery?

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I do that's why i'm doing the bernie or bust thing

Please kill yourself, that'd be great.

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>implying dictatorship is the socialist utopia
>implying fascism or nazism is socialist

Are you even trying?

>saying the national socialist party wasn't socialist
This nigga serious?

This. The problem with socialist/communist systems in the past were the government systems they were built next to. No example in history provides a democratic government with a socialist/communist economy

The association of hitler and stalin with communist and socialist is a stigma that desperately needs to be removed

>implying socialism isn't the healthiest form of economy

National socialism was a populist invention to strengthen the national identity for a country in crisis, not to create a worker's state.

Get fucking real

>The association of hitler and stalin with communist and socialist is a stigma that desperately needs to be removed
Damn shame you can't go full 1984 and just change history, right commie?

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>their socialism wasn't my ideal form of socialism!
Damn reality, always getting in the way of leftist narratives.

Because hierarchies are natural and good, and communism has never ever worked.

National Socialism wasn't socialist in the conventional sense. The exception is Strasserism.

>implying orwellian societies are representable for the communist ideology

>muh real communism
Trotsky go

>implying leftist utopias are possible
>implying they all wouldn't turn into statist nightmares

>implying statism is bad if it creates a healthy, strong society
Communism is bad because it's degenerate, counterproductive dyscivic bullshit, not because it's "oppressive" or some other lolbertarian nonsense.

Hello there, are you the local fascist come to tell us how socialism-- I mean fascism is the way to utopia?

>implying you can be a statist elite when the population decides if you keep your job

Accepting your position as a wage slave in a corporative society is a purely bourgeois idea, without rights we cannot sustain

Because a revolution inevitably just means different tyrants at the top. And a communist/socialist revolution usually means different tyrants at the top followed by economic woes because new tyrants don't understand economics.

Just like in the Democratic People's Republic of North Korea, right comrade?

Yeah.

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Yeah niggas

What? no it's absolutely nothing like that at all

the people like the previous leader, they didn't want Un but were too scared to admit it, and even so they don't get a say like you do with that i was saying

So how is -real- communism supposed to work? Every time it's tried you have an elite political class who murder millions. Seems like a flawed ideology to me.

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lolwut? Communism has hardly failed in the passed. Murdering "millions" and having a communist economy aren't correlated at all. I think the main thing they needed to improve on though is how much the people got.

>passed
sad autocorrect, past*

by doing what exactly? smoking dope and arguing about politics? sound plan sir.. our future is bright

>Murdering "millions" and having a communist economy aren't correlated at all
Actually that's fair. Not like I have a problem with ethnic cleansing or something. But every communist economy either failed or morphed into an objectively noncommunist one so it amounts to the same.

It's supposed to be democratic. Lenin was an ass, hell most of communist thinkers where very flawed.

Democracy was a mistake.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_Communist_regimes
Nothing but mass murder, friendo.

>No example in history provides a democratic government with a socialist/communist economy
Perhaps there's a clue why not right there

Yes so far socialism has failed, that does not mean that we should not continue trying to build a society with good wealth distribution

Oh of course, the few dozen times communism has been tried were just flawed. The next time communism is tired, it'll really work! Sure, I believe you.

Oh, ye big bad capitalism.
>moneyz rule the world
>brokers speculate with our moneyz
>I don't find work, to get tha moneyz
>(Fuck work, I just want the moneyz to buy me a new iphuck 5 universum T9000)

So, in short: you hate the competitive atmosphere of communism, you feel like left out, and you envy those who have more than you, regardless if it was heritage or hard work that gave them 7 and more figures on their accounts.

And then someone told you about communism / marxism. He told you that our society is devided by class. he told you that you had no other choice than lose. And he told you, if you wanna change something, all workers must unity, so all workers can share what only a few on the top have.

You know what he didn't told you?
Since no one is giving up their stuff without defending it, this means class war. Given that you win, this means ideological trials and cleansing, so no one else grabs and defend his stuff (first atrocity committed).
The the communist state will implement a thought police to make sure that no one falls back into his greedy, selfish (but NATURAL) behavior. This means secret police, deportations, and total surveillance. (2nd atrocity committed).

And third your state will face the issue of people still not wanting to work. But communism only works if everybody works. It doesn't matter what your mental or health condition is, if you don't work, you have no value. The lazy and the sick will become public enemies. The state will make sure that the workers feel like they do the superior thing, so everybody performing less is now the enemy. No welfare. No mercy. Just gulag. (3rd atrocity committed)

GG.
Do you know what is beautiful about communism? Everybody has the chance to rise to the top. And even if you have a worse starting point in the poor part of society, you can get top-jobs with just a grain of brain, or a good market idea/determination, or at least make a decent living with honest, hard work (just like in communism, lol).

but I am

Because it's stupid

Which part of the communist economy murders people

Socialism no matter its form is NEVER the answer its a TRAP.

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There will always be people more successful than you. There's nothing wrong with that. Hierarchies aren't bad, and instead of turning that class envy of yours toward the futile aim of establishing a Communist state, you should work to move up the ladder.

The famines.

Did you read the link? Communist nations always commit mass murder on varying scales. It's history!

So, we take all the wealth, resources and property in the world, put it in a big pile and divide it equally amongst the world's population?

I'll give it five years before the smart ones have relieved the dumb ones of their share, and the dumb ones are cleaning the smart one's' houses, tilling their fields and cooking their food. Who would police it to stop it happening? The smart ones?

Hey, welcome to germany.
We have free, almost unregulated markets, a decent wellfare system, one of the best public healthcares in the world, and also one of the strongest economies in the EU.

We tried socialism with the GDR. Didn't worked. The democratic system was just a facade, since the thought police (StaSi) LITERALLY forced us to vote nothing but SED. Fuck the GDR. Fuck communism. Fuck you.
I have lived in a communist state, attempting to be democratic. But with a economy and society being build on so strict authoritarian norms (yes, communism is a authoritarian idea), will also turn politics and the freedom to decide about your own way in life into a authoritarian decision, made for you already.

You really have no idea what you're talking about, kiddo.

The asswipe dictators do, not the economy

Because workers have proven time and time again that they can't into economy and hurt themselves with everything they push for.
Minimum wage? Bites them in the ass and everyone else, too. More rights in the sense that it's getting harder to fire them? Enjoy your rise of time agency work. Democratical workplace? Sure, fuck the individual rights of the one holding the risks and responsibilities.

You have to raise awareness for people's consuming behaviour, not hard-code economic failure into the system.

The biggest issue I have is that you cannot reach utopia under capitalist economy. Someone will always have to work. People keep complaining about machines taking jobs, when in reality that's a great thing. The only problem is, you need jobs to sustain a decent lifestyle currently. Under a socialist economy with small dips of capitalism, nobody that doesn't want to work will have to work. They can stuff their face all day and play vidya all night and whether or not people want something, it will be made in plenty. If nobody has jobs, how can we distribute luxuries? We give one to everyone - socialism. You want more luxuries? Feel free to do the tiny bit of incredibly mentally draining work that is available for a mesely 5$/hr which is a lot since everything is otherwise free

Then why does every communist society have a dictatorship?

>Someone will always have to work.
Why is that a bad thing? People love feeling like they have a purpose.
Idleness really does lead to degeneracy.

Lenin, Mao and the Soviet Union

Good question, you should figure that out. Also i'm glad we could conclude dictatorship is the bad guy here and not the communist economy.

that's literally what vidya is for

I think you miss the point. Communism is always a dictatorship, there is no other way of having a communist society.

Can't have famine when food is made 5:1 (that is, can feed 5 people in a single meal yet it all goes to 1 person, but for every person)

There is. If people vote for socialists then they can get a socialist society.

socialism is working so well for the EU, isn't it.

And why is that?

But command economies consistently fail to predict how much food will be needed or produced.

this, a thousand times this.
Unless you are mentally retarded, you will want to work to have a daily schedule. Seriously, you degenerate mentally if you don't have anything to do.
And you will leanr this too, as soon as you complete your education and suddenly do nothing.
Some weeks of holiday are not comparable with 1 year and more of no work. In the beginning it is awesome (it definitly was for me), but not long until you don't know what to do with yourself anymore.

Trust me, been there, done that.

>automation of labor will become a thing in your lifetime

yes

Because if my job becomes too costly for an organization, it will be outsourced.

It worked pretty well for several European countries while those countries were white ethnostates.
Now that the EU is being flooded with sandniggers and dindus following the gibs, muh perfect welfare states are starting to break down.

It's more about using technology to pollute the world with an overabundance of food and to not give people "what they might need and maybe a little extra"

And it becomes a nightmare when they go full communism. Have you read any history?

Haha, most socialist parties want to get out of the EU because it is so anti-socialist.

Because communism is at its heart completely against human nature, so they require a violent regime to make people follow communism doctrine.

you are right, suprisingly.
Vidya, especially mmo's can replace a workplace as daily schedule. But that means no family, no progress in life, eternal welfare (also in communism, because communism still uses currency, in case you din't knew), and under communisms, the lazy will be purged.
under capitalism people just pity you, or make fun of you, but no one will attempt to drive you into a gulag.

theres a big grain vault we just have to get to it and then we are free forever!!!

Sorry i can't relate. I joined a field that required decades of education and will probably require more as i go through it.

As a human, you should never want to cease learning. Performing labor is just distracting your mind, not teaching.

>abundance is bad, comrade
>you wouldn't want to be like those decadent kulaks, right

Yeah enough history to know the difference between the shit they were doing in the Soviet Union and the stuff modern socialist want to do.

no

automation of manual labour, maybe.

Then you have a divided, two-tier (or three tier) society. What will the people who can't get their heads round html or Python but who can wire a plug do?

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Even the elite of prorgrammers will struggle to find work in an automated system. Everything is done for you

>people just pity you, or make fun of you
I'm always being pitied and mocked for my house, cars, savings and possessions. It's a burden, but I guess I just have to tolerate my capitalist lot

>Oh yeah, it'll totally work this time! We promise guys, no gulags and no mass murder! We'll pinky swear on it!

And why would anyone believe you?

If you're a more intellectual person then it's understandable that you wouldn't be drawn to labor
The point is that you have to have something to occupy you besides playing vidya and jerking off, lest you slip into degeneracy.

Mate do you think I'm a commie?

Mfw I'm a libertarian socialist and people point to state capitalist or social democratic capitalist or even just slightly left-leaning capitalist countries and says thats why socialism doesn't work.

Fuck off, tankies, reactionaries, and tomato socialists.

dude, with education I meant the daily routine of going to school / university. Take away this routine and replace it with nothing, just eternal holidays.

And it doesn't matter if you wake up to work in a factory, or wake up to work in a bureau. Work is work, and it gives you a daily routine.

For a guy claiming to go for higher education you are surprisingly unable to get someones point.

Or do you actually plan to be a eternal student?

That's what hobbies are for

Why do you think people fish? It's outdated, is labor, and is otherwise done for you. It becomes enjoyable when you make it a hobby.

This thread is triggering me

Because I take responsibility for every situation I put myself in.
If I work for minimum wage, why should I expect to be able to afford a cell phone, a car, a house, and a family?

>National Socialism wasn't socialist in the conventional sense.

No true Scotsmen huh...

>libertarian socialist
I've never heard a better oxymoron!

what a deterministically meaningless statement

do you subscribe to fate.weekly too?

>National Socialism wasn't socialist in the conventional sense
so you're saying when power is given to political leaders, things go wrong? I never would have thought.

so, no one has ever made fun of you for putting vidya up as valid replacement for a work-schedule, or are you just too ashamed to mention it outside of this shroud of anonymity?

Unless you are not the previous user, you are a giant hypocrite, and intellectual dishonest. Lets your point look so much better, m8.

I and everyone else should strive to be an eternal student.

If people want something to do, they will find something trust me. You're envisioning a future of everyone sitting on their ass and twiddling their thumbs as they watch TV

how is it meaningless? If you don't like how much you get paid, find a new job. The only one forcing you to work there is you.

I do in theory
but it practice what can I do?

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>why shouldn't a job be able to support daily life

It's like you think getting a job (and where at) is a choice

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because they will take away my food truck, xbox and apple jacks

you can afford the basic necessities of life with minimum wage ($7.25). you just won't afford a car, your own home, etc. You can rent an apartment, take the bus, etc.

You think I havent heard of this before?

A libertarian socialist is someone who advocates for worker ownership of the means of production and the abolition of the state in order to transition go said society.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_socialism?wprov=sfla1
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