The EU will federalize and have an army in our lifetime

The EU will federalize and have an army in our lifetime

>the most cucked nations don't want an army
>the least cucked nations want an army

the weapons industry is a big one goys. big players need to make big shekels

:|

democracy is unworkable and so the EU will IMPOSE its solutions after pretending to ask

the EU needs to break up or we need to execute the socialists

this shit is ridiculous. the pacifist socialists vote for a fascist government to regulate every aspect of their lives, then blame nonexistent neonazis for the army that's about the exist.

fuck them.

Snales are inland fishes according to EU.

none of you people know anything about anything.

t. EU

lovely.

I grew up in japan, where the central government regulates the air conditioning in buses around the entire country.

there is literally a central gov department staffed by a few hundred people whose entire job it is to tell hundreds of thousands of buses whether or not they're allowed to use air conditioning on any given day, or sometimes, forcing them to use it on a day that is supposedly cold

they have advanced meterorological equipment set up for this very purpose, updated constantly.

they all make tons of money for zero work, with pensions, and they force me to sit in a bus with the heater on when it's 30c outside

kill. every. socialist.

Eu has like 40 regulations about how a banana should be shaped, what colour it should have etc.

are you fookin' bantzing me m8?

jesus fucking christ

I'm THIS close to saying we deserve to be enslaved by the chinese anarchocapital borg

It's true though.

If a banana is shaped the wrong way than it's not a banana.

And snails are inland fishes because the french farmers wanted dotations for snails as big as fisherman get so they forced that law.

They're going to have to federalize for their own security now that Trump is destroying NATO and turning the US into Russia's lapdog

The weakest want it

I thought cnn interns only went to Sup Forums

Swedish army is powerful indeed.

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>muh socialism boodeyman
shut the fuck up Sup Forumscuck

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>You will live to see H&K get bailed out for the last time to supply the European alliance with Eugene Stoner's design, and Tom Clancy's EndWar becoming a reality.

Hopefully the EU kicks out America and Russia and asserts themselves more on the world stage. A multipolar world will bring a better future.

Not really m8, there is a big support for an EU army here and we wouldn't really need it.
However the dynamic is against the EU, we're just coming from very far.

>59%
wut, that can't be right

The Swedes are the biggest suppliers of Light Anti Tank Weapons here in the states, giving us shit like AT-4s for dirt cheap prices in bulk.

and?

Good.

[citations needed]

Whatever holds up the end against China and Russia if we ever fail...

So the scandis, funland and most of the baltic states always bitch and moan that russua might invade them but when they are asked if they want to be apart of a euro-army that will protect them then the answer is overwhelmingly negative.
that makes no sense

muh NATO

Nice try, you're just going to send us over to the other side of the world to "protect" "our" "interests".

There are only like ten million Swedes left, we can't waste any. And if Russia attacks we're on our own anyway, Trump's not going to help the baltics.

>euro-army
>other side of the world
user get a grip
a euro army will consist of euros in order to safe guard europe and only europe
once the euro-army will be established nato will fade away(the burgers wont be here to guard us forver we must do it ourselves)

The only reason the French support an EU Army is because they think they'd be the ones in control of it

>a euro army will consist of euros in order to safe guard europe and only europe

Haha. So I take it you don't want France in your army? They are obsessed with protecting their national interests in Africa

Meh I guess it would be okay. But why are they asking UK about this? Aren't they leaving?

Do you think all surveys posted on Sup Forums were collated yesterday? Most of the charts you see on here are several years old

good point

how bout this: EU army acts like NATO, collective defence clause if attacked

and if you want to protect your interests in africa, its a federal army, so you can only send your (french) only troops

best of both worlds: autonomy of action and collective savings/self defence

So in other words you don't want an EU Army. You want a military alliance between sovereign European militaries.

You want exactly what we have now without the USA and Canada.

I don't see anything wrong with this, but there's absolutely nothing "federal" about it.

According to Eurobarometer (2013), 69% of EU citizens are in favour of direct elections of the President of the European Commission; 46% support the creation of a united EU army.[21]

Two thirds of respondents think that the EU (instead of a national government alone), should make decisions on foreign policy. More than half of respondents think that the EU should also make decisions on defense.[22]

44% of respondents support the future development of the European Union as a federation of nation states, 35% are opposed. The Nordic Countries were the most negative of a united Europe in this study. 73% of the Nordics opposed the idea. [23] A large majority of the people for whom the EU conjures up a positive image support the further development of the EU into a federation of nation states (56% versus 27%).

I wish you americans would stop imposing your irrational fear of democracy onto how you see the world. In some countries people can actually count on two thirds of the population not being retards.

wtf i love sweden now

You will accept that Germany is the rules of Europe
One way or another.

That should be your national motto

I guess if you're 100% retarded like swedes it works

>CHEXIT
check these

The closest the UK ever came to this was joining the ERM. Thank goodness we snapped out of it shortly afterwards.

Today's Germany is way too weak to rule Europe

Pre migrant crisis and hard right swings here, so useless

Holy shit how fucking cucked is France? They have such a long and proud history, in distinction from other European "literally who?" countries, yet they want to become EU Country 6. That is pathetic.

And how does this fact influence your life? Vote better in the next EU elections if you don't like it. EU has a lot of weird regulations just like any other legal institution. But in our case EU law accually civilises our law.

NORDIC UNION WHEN??

See We want to so that we can control it and do what we want. Now that the UK is gone, there is no military in Europe even close to be able to challenge us. If there's an EU army, it'll be funded in big part by us and we could use that to counter the Kraut's influence.

>one giant government for a bunch of countries that share very little except for a colorful history of fighting against each other.
>good

Hujer pls

The EU will break down in our lifetime.

>it'll be funded in big part by us

But you'd be a minority, and the German economy is larger. They wouldn't have to increase defence spending by much to start spending more than France. They could do it on a fairly lower % GDP than France.

You'd be outvoted quite easily. If it's just France that cares about something (like Africa) and the rest don't, then you've lost control and you're not getting it back

Hopefully soon. The nato shills in Sweden and Finland should back off after Donald is sworn in, with any luck Iceland and Norway will leave it. As soon as Russia then does anything intimidating, the Union will be formed. If it works, Denmark will join and bring it's colonies with it.

In fact this feels like the Euro all over again. The French agreed to Germany unification in return for Germany adopting the Euro, which was meant to be a permanent constraint on German power. Only it wasn't. They only thought that because of delusions of grandeur.

Also, FYI, the UK and its military is still in Europe and when we leave the EU we'll still be in Europe.

EU is the best thing that happened to Europe. We should reform it, not destroy it.

t.parazite

By what standard are we cucked? I mean when compared to rest of the European Jewnion.

I concur.

the pot calling the kettle black

I'm kind of inclined to agree. If it hadn't happened, we would have never seen what a colossal failure a federalised Europe is.

Whatever happens France will only accept it if we think >we can control it. Fuck krauts.

>Nigel wet the bed again

talking about delusion of grandeur you stupid chav

>Whatever happens France will only accept it if we think >we can control it.

Yeah exactly. But the historical evidence suggests you will "think" you can dominate it when actually you can't.

France thought it could beat Russia. France was goaded by Prussia and thought it could beat them. France thought it could defend against Germany. France thought the Euro and German unification was in French interests rather than German interests.

I see a pattern here. It would be ok if France was the only one getting fucked over but unfortunately the rest of Europe must suffer too.

Oh hi Hungary.

Remind me when Britain tried to dominate the Europe continent, or suggest a unified European Army controlled by the British, or impose a single currency on everyone?

We don't try that shit because we know it wouldn't stand and it would be too much trouble. What delusions of grandeur exactly?

Well you exaggerate a lot but like every country we made some bad decisions. The sad thing is that I don't trust our current leaders at all to make the right one today.

>15%

>muh eebul roozians exploiting poor poles during the communist occupation and stealing their precious resources

What is the right decision?

Germany, since France will become your German-speaking colony, do you mind selling French Guiana to Brazil?

Laugh all you want but it is exactly as most of countries in central and eastern Europe think of you.

An army is a natural progression given the current climate. Merkel has been pushing for a EU army hard. With Putin assfucking Trump and the UK preoccupied with Brexit, the EU has no one to do their dirty work with Russia.

I agree

The only reason you aren't swamped with refugees like Sweden is because the refugees don't want to live in Finland

the americans are federalized and their army operates a lot smoother. look at their operations bombing the sandniggers or the russian operations bombing the sandniggers and look at the EU run fiasco with libya.

We're actually booting them out, get on with the latest memes.

good

The finnish stance is a bit surprising desu. I would be all for a EU defence union, fuck NATO though.

i doubt this a lot. few people in Greece want further EU integration. at least the totally disagree is pretty high

support for a EU army is lower here than most of the EU too

support for a EU army seems to be pretty high in the Baltics but not Finland, see 80% in Estonia...well we know why

>retards from Kurwin ruining our dark green

what's with this special snowflake yellow?

is nobody else on the spectrum?

>80% in Estonia...well we know why
The old Tragedy of the Commons.

(People should be trying to fragment Russia instead of blobbing Europe.)

Why not both?

Less is more.

Big countries require more bureaucracy to achieve the same shit as smaller countries; they're prone to internal clashes, specially heterogeneous ones like the EU would be; and they're far more prone to culture extinction (Bad Idea® - cultural homogenization is like putting all eggs into the same basket).

Also, remember the whole PIIGS situation, where poorer countries feel exploited by the richer ones, and the richer ones feel like the poorer countries are a burden?

Now imagine this inside the same federation.

Small countries are just pawns in big countries' game

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Why should we share our army when the others clearly arent making any efforts ?

Not if you get rid of the big countries to begin with. That's why I said people should be fragmenting Russia instead.

Also, Switzerland might have a word with you.

>Also, Switzerland might have a word with you.

Switzerland doesn't have any real sovereignty. Their people voted to stop freedom of movement but their government can't implement it because of the EU. Switzerland is a dependency.

Balkanize Germany

The US will balkanize and loose their army in our lifetime

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well, please tell those "people" to try that sometime. Russia keeps getting bigger if anything

maybe we can fragment Turkey first, while we're at it. the EU could always support the Kurds more!

let's be serious. a common army, no matter the downsides in anyone's view, is still a more realistic option for anyone living next to Russia

FIXIT should definitly save the EU

>Russia keeps getting bigger if anything
They already lost the Baltic countries, a good chunk of Central Asia and Ukraine - those used to be part of Imperial Russia and USSR. They aren't "getting bigger" as much as "avoiding getting smaller".

>we can fragment Turkey first
Bad idea due to the balance of powers. The Kurds would be eager to side with Russia, and it's far easier than siding with the EU for logistic reasons.

>a common army
This can be done with coalitions. Whoring your sovereignty is a bad idea.

>They already lost the Baltic countries

I was focusing more into Switzerland before the EU was a thing, since currently they're surrounded.

But their neutrality policy helped a lot avoiding to get in trouble with France, A-H and even the Nazipartei.