George R. R. Martin is an overrated hack

George R. R. Martin is an overrated hack.

All he managed to do with ASoIaF was subvert some expectations about characters having plot armor by making it appear as if all the most unimportant characters were important.

Some people think he's some genius because of the gritty realism of the world, but I'm beginning to suspect he's been trying to write a shitty high fantasy all along but is too incompetent to do even that so whenever he tries to write those parts he can tell they're absolute shit so he just avoids dealing with that entire part of the story even though it's integral to the whole overarching plot.

As a result the few scenes dealing with that shit make no sense because there's no context and there's just suddenly overly-fantastical shit taking place for no apparent reason

There's a race of plant people who were getting their shit kicked in by medieval europeans despite having advanced hand grenade technology. So they create a race of invincible warriors with only one weakness that can also create undead armies at will. Now those monsters want to kill the plant people for some unexplained reason.

As he approaches said high fantasy climax he knows he's incapable of writing anything but other shit so his options are write some bullshit and hide for the rest of his life from angry fans or just end the series with no resolution to anything and hide for the rest of his life from angry fans

He chooses instead to pad out his once in ten years books with bullshit content about shitty characters that will have no importance to the story because his actual goal is to die rich of old age without ever finishing and exposing himself as the fraud that he is

pic related, magical grenades that are more powerful than modern day grenades

p.s. from the show: if we want to blow up a bunch of wights chasing us through a tunnel with our magical grenade, clearly we need to just lie down on the floor and be killed to do so, can't just roll it at them and actually escape ourselves, nope

Check out this nerd

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Cool story OP. I'll just sit here and wait while you write a fantasy story that gets picked up by HBO and becomes one of the most popular shows of all time... Well go on faggot, create it. Don't have all night

if hes shit why you read him i stoped at page 30 or something

>commercial success equals quality
So you're a Justin Bieber fan, I take it?
nigger logic

just beacause something is popular doesnt mean its good so that argument is somewhat void

go suck a dick fag boy

you realize he has very little to do with the show?
Its the producers that are fucking shit up.

goddamn you edgy kiddie

>>commercial success equals quality
>So you're a Justin Bieber fan, I take it?
>nigger logic

Top kek. Yup, that's exactly what I was saying

he's definitely not nobel prize material but could you do any better

probably not

The plant people may just plain not produce as fast as regular people. We so no mention of their numbers before the 1st men invaded, and as they stated, the men cut down their uber-trees. Maybe that is how they reproduce? No trees, no people to chuck nades. Maybe it takes a long time to make these grenades, or consumes a lot of their magic life force or whatever shit so they can't make a bunch on a whim so have to stockpile and use them sparingly.
Also, it's still just a fucking grenade. A crossbow shoots a bolt farther, and an army of bowmen will lol all over an army of nade chuckers.
We have yet to see the explanation for the Whitwalkers hating the plant people, but I'd guess it's something along the lines of it having been done as a last-ditch effort by aforementioned plant people and they couldn't REALLY predict perfectly what would happen. Maybe that Nigga Nightking was supposed to forget all about his self when he got turnt but he didn't, a little bit of him stayed, and so he hates all them other niggas, regardless who they be.

As for plant bitch layin down and dyin, yeah that was a bitch of a stretch. But maybe she felt so guilty for having brought that shit out onto the world that she figured now would be a good a time as any to bite the bullet. And maybe it was the show writers that did that and Martin had no intention of that scene going down like that, or if that scene even happens at all in the books.

I dunno, nigga, but you trippin.

its better than your favorite series

>If some random critic on the internet can't become more commercially successful in the next 10 seconds his critique is invalid!
can't tell if retarded or just trolling

Never said it was or wasn't good, just that OP is a faggot batching about someone who's actually done something in life, unlike OP whos only accomplishment is this thread

Hey fuccboi

im pretty sure the kamikaze move from the one was because all of her kind were dead why live?

"Series" are for fat kids

His books are bad as books. They're books. The only people comparing them to fucking Star Trek novels are faggots like you.

Compared to my favorite books, his books are shiiiitttttt

I'd imagine you can't tell much of anything with all those cocks in you fag

Not op but invalid point i cannot say i dont like Twilight because i have to write a better vampire novel?

Well there is a reason. The Children of the Forest are mentioned in the first book, as are their war with the first men.

You're confusing the books with the show. The show is a slow burn. A GOOD slow burn, but a slow burn all the same.

So, what's the name of your book series?

Fuck off hipster. Reddit is waiting

Yup

im saying if it comes to talking to george rr martin about writing he may in fact be more knowledgeable and experienced than op

no no it's true. if anything he's talking about the redditors who enjoy the series. fake people who think using cursed words adds something to what they're saying

mang star trek is boring af honestly

A hack of a write maybe.

Filthy rich now because of his "hack writing skills", oh yes he is. He doesn't even need to write another book now. He's making enough from what he has done to live better then anyone here reading this thread.

You're wrong

>I read books fyi
>I'm not being pretentious at all

>my imagination is teh best

such sophistication

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Lost my shit at "advanced hand grenade technology"
The show isn't quite the same and I don't think hes a bad writer but dude that was fucking funny

>memer supremer confirmed

what's your favorite book?

> we need to just lie down on the floor and be killed to do so, can't just roll it at them and actually escape ourselves, nope

The point was to slow the wights down, to save Bran. It's also why Summer jumped into a massive pile of undead... the give bran time.

The little plant bitch could have just did what you said, and the blown up ones would just get replaced.

But doing what she did caused them to stop, and bough Bran some time.

Also, fuck you.

The books actually have a consistent fantasy feel to them. Children of the Forest are very much elves, Stannis is a paladin, all sorts of shit like that. The show took the series and made it more realistic, which made things like the build up of the dragon feel much more important, as that was this awesome fantasy thing in this mostly realistic world. However, since fantasy elements are far more scarce in the show than in the book, I totally agree that the show blindsides you with shit sometimes, and it makes it all feel very forced and bullshitty.
Basically, the books are the Lord of the Rings books, except for the edgy 18+ audience, and a little more theming about the mortality of man. Nothing genius, but a fun read. The show does that for like the first 2 seasons and then devolves into fan-service and manipulation by the creators for petty reasons. All that said, I'd rather people be drooling fans of Game of Thrones the show rather than something like True Blood.

That's why his books = shit sales
HBOs take = all the money

>the point

like that's escaping anyone dummy. you have probably never tried to write anything in your life

The Way of Kings by Brandon Sanderson.

checkd

actually summer died and winter is here now that the zombies arrived symbolism

Seven Pillars of Wisdom

Which character supposedly had plot armor that got killed?

>you can't criticism something unless you can do said thing which you are criticizing better

I guess all those movie critics are actually outstanding directors too, you filthy little pissdrinker

sorta this. decided never to read it, cause the series started getting aired and everything was getting spoiled everytime I logged into my email, shit would get spoiled. cause internet.

I'm glad I didn't bother with powering through the series of books, cause after watching the show I'm sorta meh about it. Idc about getting spoiled now, I'm not event current yet.

I find him below my reading level. I know that sounds like pretentious asshole shit, but I likely would have quite halfway through based on what I've seen to this point.

ramsay i mean he didnt got killed but the plot armor is definetly there

This. The nades are silly. But otherwise the show is a solid 8/10

Story sucks, boobs and murder is awesome. Let's show less story and more boobs.... and more muder.
>innovative commercial success.

Everyone thought at first that Ned Stark had plot armor. That was the big one.

Really though, all the important characters always had plot armor. They were just treated like minor characters to hide it.

OP here, I actually agree with those of you saying the show is good. The show is much better than the books. The show actually exposes a lot of the flaws in the books because they're not wasting time with unimportant horseshit, and because they know the story if it's not in the show you know it's unimportant horseshit. The farther along the book series gets, the more unimportant boring horseshit Martin writes about that we KNOW isn't even relevant to the overall plot thanks to the show.

Nah brah. This shit is amazing. Best fantasy since Tolkein.

>the books are the Lord of the Rings books, except for the edgy 18+ audience

Couldn't say it better, most of modern good or "good" lit is way too edgy for my taste

You know, that has always sounded fucking retarded to me.

It seems intrinsic that if a massive amount of people like something, then there is something inherently good about it.

Either way, your opinions are in the minority, and are therefore useless.

Fuck off and die.

Attempting to claim something is good or not is always a fools errand. Because whether it is good or not is entirely subjective.

It is certainly true to say that just because something is popular it doesn't mean YOU will definitely like it. But something being popular DOES increase the chances you'll like it.

>Your opinions are in the minority Galileo, the Sun revolves around the Earth now fuck off and die
>Taylor Swift is the #1 artist therefore she's the best and if you don't like Taylor Swift your opinion is wrong and should fuck off and die
>dat boi is everywhere and tons of people reply "oh shit waddup" so dat boi is the best thing around right now so fuck off and die

Absolutely correct. Wannabe Tolkien who will never be able to wrap up and finish his story if he had 2 lifetimes to do it.

Books
GoT: 8/10
CoK: 8/10
ASoS: 10/10
AFfC: 5.5/10
AdwD: 7.5/10 (consistently underrated by plebs)

Notes:
-We don't know which plot threads will matter in the books based on watching the show
-Red herrings can be a good device
-The show has specifically picked up steam where it has passed the material in the books, indicating to me that 4&5 were setting a lot of shit up for book 6. This is a flaw, but forgivable IMO.

oh shit waddup

oh shit waddup

But we do know which plot threads will matter in the books based on watching the show. Everyone was excited for Lady Stoneheart showing up but she never did so we know she'll have fuck-all relevance in the end. Either that or they'll just pull her out of their ass way later three seconds before she actually needs to be relevant, which would be a retarded move.

I don't keep up on popular culture. Occasionally after something has been popular for a while i will try it. And i do find i like a lot more things that are popular than not popular. But what i've had EVEN MORE success with... are popular things that there is a large backlash against.

So anytime there is a thing that is both popular and there are a shit load of people bitching that it is shit and stupid and overrated - that tends to be the really good stuff.

Hell, it's what they did with the Iron Islands subplot.

you do know that Martin has pretty much lost control over the show by now right? He doesn't even write most of the episodes, at best he is a consultant at this point. Blame HBO for making the show before he was done writing the story. I'm sure there are many faults in his writing, but I think most of what you are talking about is HBO trying to do something that people would think was cool.

like all the gay sex?

you are the reason everything sucks.

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Yes exactly, none of that shit was in the books, all put there by HBO for shock value.

Raymond Feist master race reporting in. Fuck GoT

Dickens is an overrated hack. All he did was create compelling characters and pull his audience out of their predispositions with a stark look at the difference between lives.

plot armor is one of the most frustrating things about most media. I think it's my least favorite thing about watching/reading stories.

so I love that JR Martin doesn't do it. but I still didn't bother reading anything past the first book and I haven't watched the show. just don't care enough

lol, you are so wrong,

Im screencapping this and reposting it everywhere so you can see your shame when A Dream Of Spring comes out.

See you in, 2027 faggot!

OP mad he won't ever be successful.

THIS
unfortunately


I fucking hate HBO and all the free marketing they got from us book fags
we totally got cucked in every conceivable way

The end of the show will be that tyrion has the iron throne.

>but I'm beginning to suspect he's been trying to write a shitty high fantasy all along but is too incompetent to do even that so whenever he tries to write those parts he can tell they're absolute shit so he just avoids dealing with that entire part of the story even though it's integral to the whole overarching plot.

>As a result the few scenes dealing with that shit make no sense because there's no context and there's just suddenly overly-fantastical shit taking place for no apparent reason

What an extremely vague rant. Mind giving an example?

My OP dubs and your pleb singles seem to refute your theory, fag.

So twilight is good book
So rhianna's wer dur dur dur is better song than Rachmaninoff isle of dead cuz she has more views on youtube
i cannot follow you on this at all explain it a bit better for me

what the fuck? whose penis is that?

Who gives a shit. It's fantasy. It's fun. There's dragons and titties and explosions and magic and mythology and drama. It's entertainment. I don't think it's an artistic masterpiece, but GRRM does fantasy pretty damn well. The fuck have you written?

>Guys. Lets kill as many jews as we can.

bitch gotta fatass throat for being so thin
wait till shes mid 20s
BALOON

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the more room for my cock to fit down that cute mouth, you dumb cumskin.

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I luv dick

The fuck are you talking about? Her throat is completely normal.

When will cersei use the mountain to kill the shit out of the religious people?

This is a thing that seems like it's coming, right? That is, it's a common speculation that that shit is coming.

get aids

nice dubs you fucking retard.

Children of the forest were vastly outnumbered. A thousand men with bows and arrows and spears don't give a fuck about your grenades. They also had trebuchets, catapults, cavalry, you fucking name it.

Also no, just no, those firebombs are not more powerful than modern day grenades. Go play CoD more. "hurr durr muh technology"

show me your CSL, lil slut

fuck George.. I've been reading these books since the 90s and he trickles a book here and there every 6 or 7 years... HBO doesn't have a choice. They must continue on regardless of what the fat fuck wants. If he would have finished the next book instead of giving interviews every five minutes we wouldn't be dealing with all these plot holes. RIP Hodor my brother you were fucked from birth. Don't worry Bran will get his when Lord Ramsey stump fucks him in the communal shitter at winterfell.

Nice dubs, but did every one forget they have come out and said that they will be two separate stories?

Dude you gotta use "periods." Lets a nigga know he can breathe.

>thinking Sean Bean wasn't gonna die

Those people were retarded.

The US army uses fragmentation grenades that produce much less of a fireball and do most of their damage with shrapnel. The CoF bombs make a much bigger fireball and could do proportionately more shrapnel damage. Go watch a youtube video of real grenades and then compare them, you dumb faggot.

It's better than anything you've done in your life, in any aspect of it.

Go do something, or stfu.

t. butthurt George

>Army uses less fireball, more shrapnel
>CoF uses more fireball, less shrapnel
>CoF does more shrapnel damage, tho

lolwut

either Brave New World or Dracula