On Bernie Sanders home page of his campaign site, berniesanders.org...

On Bernie Sanders home page of his campaign site, berniesanders.org, the first thing you see is that no one working 40 hours a week should be living in poverty. Well I did the math and at $7.25 an hour and you would make $15,080 per year at minimum wage. Poverty is considered $11,880 according to the poverty guidelines. So no one making minimum wage and working 40 hours a week would be considered in poverty anyway.

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Poor people don't pay taxes you fucking idiot.

yes we do, you fucking idiot

i would know because i'm one of the poor people

Sales tax, service tax, food tax, etc. Even your dog pays tax you filthy illiterate nigger.

Lmao what like 20 dollars anybody who does their own taxes knows poor people don't you stoopid cuck

Was referring to income tax stoopid nigger

Question: Do you think a well structured national sales tax would be a better replacement for the progressive income tax?

Neither do rich people.

>$0 to $9,275 pays 10%
>$9,275 to $37,650 pays 15%

Have you ever done taxes?

even if that were true, at minimum wage you would still make 12818 which is above poverty.

Ok bro let's disregard the fact that like 50% of federal tax revenue is paid by the top 20%

Therefore if you make OP's proposed $15,080, out of the first $9,275 you pay $927.50, then from the remaining $5,805, you'd pay $870.75.

Overall you'd take out $1,798.25, leaving you with $13,281.75. Man, living slightly over the poverty line must be so easy I guess.

there is a difference between being poor and being jobless.

Okay bro you got me. damn I fold

first of all, noone is giving 40 hours a week. its like winning the lotto if you can land a job with 40 hours a week

second of all 15k a year isnt even enough money to pay rent. rent in some places like california is 1400 for a unibomber shack 1 bedroom, 2200 for what would be considered a humane living abode 1 bedroom. then theres food costs which is about 200 a month for bare minimum. bills.

thats beyond poverty level. a quarter of americans are living in third world conditions and the only reason theyre staying afloat is cramming 50 people in 1 place, loans, food stamps, selling drugs, committing crime, etc etc

inb4 'move'. do you know how much fucking money it costs to move, how difficult it is to find a new job in a new city, how difficult it is to find a new apartment, or how difficult it is to pick up your shit and uproot yourself. you cant move if you cant even afford to live

Why do you need so much money lol
I live comfortably with 24k€ a year

heres how it works right now in politics, every fucking candidate right now is going to fuck this country somehow so might as well vote for the more alpha president (trump)

hilary will fuck us up
trump will fuck us up
bernie will drop out soon and if he doesnt and he becomes elected, he will not accomplish even a quarter of the shit he promises

most taxes are paid by middle class. the top 1% dont pay any tax because they cheat the system. the upper tier is a mixed bag of payers and con artists loopholing out. the poor get taxed to death. my friend barely makes 14k a year and the government made him actually pay them. imo if you make under poverty line, you shouldnt have to pay a goddamn cent.

yea, lets add yet another incentive for foreigners to flock to this country by allowing them to not pay taxes

Tfw u can look for apartments on the Internet and all you need is like 100 bucks for gas. rip. But true about the 40 hrs thing

>A third of the country lives in third world conditions.

You lost me when you went full nigger. You're retarded third world country means no running water. You're stupid and should die

Bro top 1% I said top 20% fuck off.

>I m so lazy I don't want to do all the work to move and improve my life, I want daddy gooferment to cater to my needs so I can live like a king where I am by just flipping burgers
This is coming from a poor Mexican that left everything behind to go to the USA and improve my life, legally mind you.
Fast forward 5 years and im a somewhat successful freelancer (~30k)
But you just keep crying babyboi

americans are greedy as fuck. we have people that make 200k-millions a year and complain that the poor are being too needy. theyd rather kick dirt in homeless childrens faces then pay a little more tax money. americans are fucking scumbags. pretty much the entire upper class think theyre on their own island and that they dont have to contribute anything to society. its basically the reason our economy is collapsing. we have rich corporate fat cats that treat human beings like absolute dog shit for the sake of making a few extra bucks, when they could just as easily cut back on profits to help their workers out and still be making millions

hi. flint michigan resident here. what was that you were saying about running water?

>they could just as easily cut back on profits to help their workers out
Why do you think you are entitled to other people money?

as a sanders supporter i don't think raising the minimum wage will help one bit. Automatiion will leave those 100 > IQ without a job pretty soon (give it 10-15 years max) and raising the minimum wage will only accelerate that change. It will be a minimum basic income less than 10k a year or let most of the people in the world die.

all for the illuminati to do it. take me out with them if you want you fuckers. you own the planet you can do whatever the fuck you want. Or keep us as political cattle. your pick.

as long as the human species survives. which it will. i don't have a problem with it. Its the only thing that really matters in the grand scheme of things.

Our only hope for the masses is exponential technological development that brings the cost of living down to near zero. Unless your a "muh singularity" type that's not going to happen.

Wtf how fucking stoopid are you

oh so you came here with no money in your pocket, no car, no furniture, no clothing? yea didnt think so paco. nice try though

you can look at all the apartments online you want. that doesnt mean youre gonna get shit. you dont seem to realize how competitve the housing/apartment market is right now. literally looked at 50+ apartments last year when i was trying to move just within my own city, and every single place was either a hellhole tenament that shouldve been condemned charging way too much, or so many people were bidding that we didnt have a chance cuz they had full families and bank accounts with 10x the rent money in them. unless you get a room for rent, its near fucking impossible to get a place now. and its only gonna get worse due to overpopulation and hte building of those stupid ass megacomplex's that noone can afford

holy shit you're one of those retards that parents warn you not to touch or else you'll catch the retard and they'll have to kill you and examine your brain.

>pssst, it's dependent on state, as our market is entirely based off of service. Thus why we could never accomplish goals like a Swiss economy; we cannot sustain ourselves independently.

P.S Genocide of your whole family is the only honorable way out now

typical american thinking. meanwhile in civilized european countries theyre giving their employees fair wages, vacation time, spa treatments if theyre stressed out, leave pay for pregnant mothers

american workers are among the worst treated workers in all of the free world.

I like the current system where I pay taxes to rich corporations who pay no taxes so they can build F-35 fighters.

That's why I'm voting for Hillary.

Nigga I sold everything I had
Apartments were like 300(better than where I was living) in Florida
Just keep making excuses babyboi

I recommend learning some basic computer skills and using the filter options when searching and using the Google search engine to research places to live.

>Only 7.9% of people don't pay taxes according to guv'ment

I'll be by to fuck your girl to death in front of your small white dicked self.

Ya bro you ain't fooling anyone.

>typical american thinking
I'm actually yurofag and living in one of those socialist havens
You know why all of that is given by the government? Because fucking taxes, and very high ones
Needless to say this is only for high qualified jobs, you aint getting no spa for flipping burgers kek

Why the fuck work minimum wage.

Can't afford college? Join the military lazy fuck.

Tfw ur this fucking stupid. Even if that's true you realize you pay different rates based on income and other factors? And good luck trying to get into a gated community stupid peasant.

Why do you think you deserve more profit when you don't know how to invest your money?

Protip: your workers are an asset, don't treat them like shit. Just ask Henry Ford.

America summed up:

top tier: fuck paying taxes, all my money is in sweden where those filthy americans wont touch it. ill just buy a politician to look the other way when i get inspected for tax evasion. or maybe ill donate all my money to a charity i own to evade taxes(mark zuckerberg)

upper class: fuck paying taxes. ill donate to a charity to avoid taxes. ill find any loophole i can and then bitch about everyone whos poorer than me for being lazy bums and not paying their fair share

middle class: fucking poor people. im getting taxed to death and its all their fault for being lazy and poor. stupid poor ass people. im gonna vote for the politician that upperclass and top tier guy told me to pay for! hell fix it all!

poor people: please stop taxing me! i cant pay bills and i need help! i asked the middle class guy for help, but he told me my crippled child deserves to die. i tried to get an abortion, but the upper class guy took my right to an abortion away(oklahoma). now he wont help me take care of my kid. im 100% willing and able to work, but the only jobs that will hire me only want to give me 15 hours a week or would rather hire a mexican. im working 3 jobs just to make ends meet, but now my health is failing and i cant do anything about it because the middle class and upper class guy said i dont deserve the right to healthcare

>Imma slave, but imma 'murrican slave!

Fuck you off you asshole. Show some solidarity.

>don't know how to invest
Didn't you just say they were fat cats making millions? If only I could invest money that badly :^)

He's ded idiot

Sicc bait

tfw my cousin in italy is working on an assembly line making enough money to buy his own house. tmw that same job in america cant even rent you a shitty 1 bedroom apartment because american corporations treat their workers like theyre dogshit

>i cant pay bills
Why are you spending more than you can afford?
>my crippled child deserves to die and I can't afford abortion
Why would you get pregnant when you can't even maintain yourself you fucking slut
Learn to make better decisions/10

>Why are you spending more than you can afford?

nobody can seriously be this stupid or disconnected from reality.... its no wonder america is in the place its at now

Why dont you sell everything you have and move to Europe then?
If things are really as you guys say they are then I would certainly do it

I make about 1000 dollars a month after taxes, 250 a week. I bust my ass every day unloading retail trucks and throwing bins, don't get benefits, don't get payed for working overtime that I'm pretty much forced to work (instead I get paid time off that I have to have 32 hours of before I can go through a month long approval to use, which almost always gets denied), I don't get holiday pay (again, paid time off bullshit that I get nothing out of), I don't get sick days, instead there's a point system, calling in gives you a point and when you get to 9 you're automatically fired, these points reset every 6 months (doesn't sound that bad, you essentially get 9 free call ins, but you can get points other ways like going home early and clocking in 30 seconds too late), if you don't show up and don't call in you're automatically fired (even if you don't have any possible way to call in, you're gone), it's all a massive fuck storm that I can't believe exists.

A lot of people will just say "THAT'S HOW IT SHOULD BE SIT DOWN AND SHUT UP QUIT COMPLAINING THAT'S JUST HOW IT IS" to which I reply "Kill yourself". It really shouldn't be that way, there's no denying it. If you think otherwise, you're either incredibly stupid or just straight up do not care about human struggles in the most outstanding way.

Based off of estimates in this thread and knowledge of expenses for cost of living and working in my area through personal experience...

I wind up with 800 dollars left over for shit based on the poverty line.

Yeah, fuck you. That ain't shit if something, anything goes bad. Something needs to change.

>Wants to live like a king even though can't afford it
And I'm disconnected from reality?

Right, because making sure your workers are happy and at the top efficiency is communism, right?
Also:
>Didn't you just say they were fat cats making millions?
No, I didn't.
You might have confused me with another poster.

But like I was saying. Workers are just another asset. Like for example factories. Imagine what happens when you make absolutely no maintenance. It's the same with workers, you don't pay them what they deserve and you'll have shitty workers that will cost you more in the long term.
Besides, high wages are proven to proven to be beneficial with the economy. People can afford luxury and shit. Isn't that what we want under capitalism? People buying shit?

Thx for telling me that crucial infromation, my friend.

>bust ass
>unload retail trucks
Pick one bro

>I'm 15 and have never had a job

You ever tried drinking bleach? It's good for your kidneys.

Where the fuck do you live that 40 hrs a week is an unattainable dream?

Poverty guidelines only work in the lowest living cost areas of the country, but the majority of inhabitants live in cities, which have a significantly higher living cost.

12,000 gets you very, very little. Even a car that won't blow up in a month will set you back an easy 3 grand, along with the extra costs most used vehicles incur over time.

We like to make fun of bernie's plans of 'free stuff', but we as taxpayers have been giving free stuff for our government to spend on useless projects. There's an incredible amount of fat that can be trimmed, personally I'd rather be the one getting the 'free stuff' that I pay for.

thats not how business works. corporations are owned by stockholders. stockholders are generally made up of people that are already rich. you need money to make money. people in top ceo/cto positions are the ones getting the fat bonuses and taking way more money than they should from profits. even our own government is robbing us blind. the board of education in california keeps giving them selves 100k bonuses every year, while continuously cutting the education budget to the point where people are having gladiator matches just to get basic gen ed classes because the schools arnt offering enough classes

live like a king? you mean have ones own single bedroom apartment, eat healthy food, and have a bare minimum cellphone? people cant even afford those things in parts of the US. youre a fucking idiot if you seriously think all poor people are trying to live like kings. most of them just sit at home and never go anywhere because they cant afford to. they eat shit cancerous food because its whats the cheapest. they live with 3-8 people in their small ass apartments because it breaks the rent down to an affordable price. they dont even get hospital treatment when they need it because the costs would bankrupt them and then theyd lose their apartment/starve to death

goddamn youre stupid

u murricunts have wages like 4$/hour like stupid germans

my glorious France give me more to stay at home

you capitalism cucks

I'm 35, single, with no ambition, and think no skill labor is hard.

>Flint, Michigan is 1/3 of the country
Wish. I didn't know that.

Lmao 40 hour a week jobs are fucking everywhere dumbass.. I don't have a degree or anything just a highschool diploma and I make around 40k a year before taxes depending on how much overtime I put in. Factory jobs are out there and they're all fucking hiring. You know how I got my job I walked in through the fucking door and asked and they had me apply online. Its not fucking rocket science it takes work and dedication. Yeah I may not have as much free time or enjoy my job or life as much as some people do but at least I take ownership of my life and fucking try. Bernies a fucking loser like anyone who would vote for him, same with Obamas whore Hilary

>Besides, high wages are proven to proven to be beneficial with the economy. People can afford luxury and shit. Isn't that what we want under capitalism? People buying shit?

They just dont get it. They cant see past the immediate timeline. They cant see that over time more money in peoples hands means more money pouring into the economy. Its why america still hasnt recovered from 2008. We made literally no efforts to fix anything. They just let jobs be taken away/shipped away/wagestripped until most americans arnt making enough money to contribute back to the economy

The thing a lot of retarded "economic republicans" (or just republicans in general) don't seem to understand is that capitalism is all about people working to buy goods to feed companies to pay people to buy goods to feed companies. In theory it sounds great and should work, but what we have in america is absolutely shit. Companies have very little regulation regarding how they pay their employees, and "hurr durr companies should always pay their employees the absolute bare minimum to maximize profits", but what that actually in turn does, is wrecks the economy and puts a massive strain on most people in society. It doesn't just throw a wrench into the machine, it tears out a huge chunk of it.

All the people who think that raising the minimum wage would cause prices to go through the roof are fucking retarded. Companies like walmart make literally billions in profit every year, it would not destroy the prices of your gallon of chocolate milk for them to not treat their employees like garbage.

I honestly just don't see how people can have this anti-human mindset. They seem to value massive companies with billions of dollars more than humans. Like I really do struggle to understand how these people convince themselves that they're right.

Your opinion doesn't dictate reality

Virtually everywhere that isn't a job in the trades tbh

Yeah that free stuff is called roads, infrastructure, events, etc. Go to a fucking local body board meeting or vote at your next local election for a representative with your views. Fuck its like you people just pay taxes and never ask questions or try to improve your town/city yourselves and then blame those who do when they dont do a perfect job of budgeting shit

Definitely a white kid.

Implying companies won't just raise prices to make up for lost profits

You're weak if you think that's a hard job. No wonder you're poor. Stay poor so I can stay middle class pls.

Work in a factory you pussy i garuntee you can find an entry level position somewhere within 30 miles of where you live that offers 40hrs and benefits. A warehouse, manufacturer, food dispenser, fucking any big building that looks like it being used for something go in and fucking inquire abiut entry level shit they have you anxiety bitch millenial

And that's what I'm talking about. There's some kind of anti-human thought system in america that makes everyone think that the government shouldn't be regulating businesses. If a company jacks up their prices after being forced to raise their wages, slap a massive fine on them for price gouging. They're not losing money by paying their employees a rational amount of money for their work. They're not losing money by not denying them payment for working overtime. They're not losing money by giving them holiday pay. You're fucking retarded if you really think that the billions that companies roll in would just vanish if employees started getting treated like humans.

thats the problem. it comes down to ethics. they dont NEED to raise prices. its morally wrong and its simply unneeded. theyre still making fat profits and can afford to buy themselves houses and feed their families, unlike their workers. all theyre doing is fucking the entire country in the long run. maybe america needs to start creating ethics laws as its solution to economic despair.

Ya I agree I'm js bro.

Pic applies to all "free shit"

That's giving too much power to the government retard.

>2000+4+4+4+4
>wanting to vote for a self identified socialist

100% agree about the regulation. retaliation law basically.

the only downside to this is people will complain it hurts local business's. thats where it becomes kind of a grey area. local business should be treating their workers fair and not hiring more than they need. like with restaurants, if you cant afford to pay your workers, then you shouldnt be in business.

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But govt regulation doesn't magically solve everything ya goof. You're talking about morality in politics

>taxes are illegal
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hate to point it out, but hitler financially saved germany from complete annihilation. you probably shouldve picked a better example

No, taxes are immoral, big difference

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Arkansas here, we work 40+ hour weeks. 1/3 of our population are farmers. How are so many of us in poverty? The price of living. My state drives farther for work than any other state and so our gas is high. I don't blame the oil industry it makes good business sense but that's when our government should step in and say "you are killing these people" everyone acts like the Walton's bought Arkansas a golden ticket but aside from nw Arkansas the Walton family hasn't given us shit. We pay taxes we work hard why am I the 5th generation of people born into struggling to stay above water? Why won't i be the last? Our country needs work. Our country needs Bernie Sanders.

hillary clinton and trump are both maximum garbage

i think bernie sanders would be better than either of them. of course, there were other better options but nobody voted for those, like, at all.

they get more than they pay back

there is no form of economics or government policy that works when you have as many people living in your country as america does. its already past capacity for any sane rational system. no economists in the world could fix this mess. one way or another, this country will have to turn to socialism in order for its citizens to survive. in 18 years, there wont be even close to enough jobs and cost of living will be too high to survive

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>free stuff

what a fucking monster

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i think you're all in poverty because no education, diabetes, landlocked, landwhales, and blacks.

you cant really blame the price of food and rent on poverty. its fucking cheap in arkansas.