What The Fuck Does Islam Believe

What The Fuck Does Islam Believe

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Muslim here, ask me about anything.

to be submissive to god

What does the Quran teach about treating non-believers

some muslim guys downtown told my friend she should be strung up because she was holding her girlfriends hand wtf

Well its very easily searchable but here you go :

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kill the cunts for not believing

so its just based on hatred for anyone whos different?

God

They believe that mohammed flew to heaven on a winged horse and that all who dont should be killed.

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Why are you a muslim?

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yeah bro that's the main thing they teach in mosques and islamic schools, hatred for anyone who's different.

Is there a reason I shouldnt be ?

>inb4 i was raised to be a muslim
were you parents muslims? what a fucking coincidence.

common sense

same as christianity but allah instead of jesus

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I have a lot of common sense :)

My parents are muslims but very weak ones, no one forced me into it, I made a decision after some reasearch that I want to be muslim.

I am not trying to convert anyone, nor am I saying its true, I am saying that I am a muslim.

What do you think about Zoroastrians?

allah = yahweh
jesus = mohammed

You look really stupid right now.

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Nice question dodgins, give us a reason why you are a muslim and not a christian or a hindu.

Whats the best blade to use to behead someone?

The KKK is a Christian group. Most Christians are not in the KKK. Therefore, we should not consider Christians to be involved with the actions of the KKK.

Same goes for Islam and ISIS

you're just shit scared of leaving, if you were to leave islam what would be the repercussions?

The quran says that the penalty of leaving islam is death.

dude my one friends entire family cut contact with her, also because women are considered inferior

not him but I'm also a Muslim.

>if you were to leave islam what would be the repercussions

literally nothing if you exclude disappointment from my family. Think of it like telling your conservatives parents that you're gay.

>falling for it

You look really stupid right now.

Honestly never looked into it so cant give you a good response.


Not dodging anything, christianity has things which directly dont agree with science that we already know to be 100% true, such as the earth being 6000 years old, and Hinduism has many gods which makes no sense, if two creatures are omnipotent then it would make sense for all of them to have the same thought train to which thing to do, and if they dont think the same then one of them isnt a god so the religion is flawed from the beginning.

Whichever one you are comfortable with.

Fuck no, not scared, my parents arent that religious.

that seems harsh, if i were to believe in a god then i would want him to love me regardless of my actions

here u go

these people tried to leave islam

Basically "What would muhammad do? wwmd

Muhammad was a rapist, molester, robber, mass murderer, torturer, extraordinaire.

So you dont believe in the quran and you call yourself a muslim?

Why are "moderate" muslims not more vocal about extremist islam? Why do they not acknowledge the social problems which arise when muslims flood Europe and refuse to adjust their views and values to match the ones which are held in western society? Are you surprised there is a growing hatred towards your religion?

If I heard more muslims stand up against it I might be more sympathetic, but you don't. Instead you welcome more, amplifying the already existing problems and promote your non-democratic values in the countries which were kind (naive) enough to take you in.

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And there are no things in the quran that go against scientific discoveries?
Have you ever read the quran?

You were too busy trying to troll me you forgot that jesus and yahweh are the same thing.

better luck next time.

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Most people require a reason before they believe something.

Is there a reason I shouldn't live my life following the rules of a nursery rhyme, because if I don't I'll spend eternity freezing in the arctic ocean? Yes, in fact, there is. Because I have no reason to think that I could even spend eternity in the arctic ocean.

So...Yeah...If you're going to live your life following someone else's rule book, with a sprinkling of input from your imaginary friend, then you should have a reason.

they didnt try to leave islam, their crime was existing

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Shh, child.

Doesnt the last bit only command mohammed to spread the message and not kill?

First things first, they are, you just dont look hard enough and a simple google search will prove you wrong, second of all, what does it accomplish exactly ? If I say that its bad, what changed ? Nothing changes and thats really all there is to it, they do what they do because they want to not for islam or muslims.

I might be moving to europe and I wont be "adjusting my values to match the ones which are held in western society", but the key problem here is that we shouldnt force anyone into ours, if an entire area has a specific set of values I dont see a problem with it assuming no one is being hurt.

And by the way I am planning on not talking to anyone that isnt absolutely necessary in the 8 years Im gonna spend in college to get my phd, so no worries.

Pascals wager seems like an extremely decent reason to me, friend.

not him, but im also muslim

That depends on the person of course. I'm personally against race/culture mixing. I would have rather preferred if refugees could find shelter in other muslim countries (like they are doing in turkey). The issues occurring in Europe is not tolerated by islam.

You should try to look into the minorities oppressed by your religion, even if you don't oppress them. As a Catholic with Coptic family members, I still think it is important to learn about Gnosticism and the Cathars.

>inb4 someone thinks this isn't bait

Didnt see, but yeah nothing too bad, the quran isnt 100% scientifically accurate because science isnt 100% accurate, changes literally constantly.

I dont oppress them, why is it such an important matter for me to learn about them when I cant change anything ?

what do you guys have against eagles of death metal? like they're pretty good

that was the point.

people who die from leaving the religion arent killed because the quran says to, theyre killed because of their family/government/something else

>Pascals wager seems like an extremely decent reason to me, friend.
Then you havent done any research on it and never heard a counter argument, pascal's wager is stupid and can be used in favor of ANY religion, even those that nobody has ever heard of.

why can't muslims take any criticism of their religion without losing their shit?

When I used to listen to music I used to love them, wannabe in LA, miss alissa, pretty good shit.

Ive heard tonnes of counter arguments and I have already implied that islam is the most logical religion with a god.

we've proven how peaceful we are many times through violent rioting and murders

Fairy tales for weak minded adults. Just like every other religion.

Yeah science changes because it learns, quran doesnt and it has been shown that its not 100% accurate, so if the book gets 1 thing wrong why believe any of the other things?

Of course there are a FEW individuals, it doesn't really prove anything. Even semi-famous or political muslims do not voice these opinions, instead they want MORE REFUGEES. It would accomplish a much needed acknowledgement that in fact, there is a significant portion of muslims who want to preserve current western societal values and standards. But that is obviously not the case. There may be some, but so few and thus utterly insignificant.

>Pascals wager seems like an extremely decent reason to me, friend.

Hoooly crap.
You're either putting a lot of work into your bait, or you have not even thought "I should consider if my reasoning is incorrect. Maybe I'll google 'pascals wager' to learn more about it".
I know this, because very likely, the first website listed would be the Wikipedia page, which outlines the problem with pascal's wager.
A little further down the google results - perhaps even the second result - would probably be the RationalWiki page, which digs into it further.
...Followed by a whole slew of pages explaining what's wrong with it.

>Ive heard tonnes of counter arguments
And you ignored them all?

>and I have already implied that islam is the most logical religion with a god. (citation needed)
even if this was true, it would only mean its better than other religions and because all religions are total bullshit it doesnt really mean much to be the best one.

I personally think it's because of the amount of faith muslims have. keep in mind that patience (Sabr) is extremely important in our religion

i think you contradicted yourself there

Are you saying that because we thought that the universe was younger because we didnt have all the available information i should ignore the evolution theory and think math is magic?

>Ive heard tonnes of counter arguments
>islam is the most logical religion with a god.

So you're basically just saying that you need for there to be a god, so you picked Islam?

As I have already said, I assume that the quran is not 100% SCIENTIFICALLY ACCURATE, because science isnt accurate 100% of the time, how do we know that what the quran says isnt the correct form of whatever were looking into ? And please feel free to link me those things about the quran that are not scientifically accurate, I have no problem in changing my mind if given proper evidence.

I have known a ton of people who moved but didnt want to change values and were back to square one again, what does this acknowledgment make you gain ?

Its something I came up with long time ago and I recently learned its called pascals wager, never actually read too much about it, but feel free to tell me whats wrong with it, I am listening.

Didnt ignore them, they just didnt add up, feel free to tell them to me.

To some extent, but thats not the whole ordeal.

this was fun, nothing but love

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you don't have to be so black and white about it. I'm not saying completely ignore everything, but also don't believe with %100 certainty and dont be adamant about the current scientific knowledge

>And please feel free to link me those things about the quran that are not scientifically accurate
Sorry, reading your holy book to find holes in it isnt my job, that should be your job however it looks like you like the book too much to look at it rationally and actually question it.

>Didnt ignore them, they just didnt add up, feel free to tell them to me.
read this post again, there is a counter argument both in the post and in the picture, now tell me why they are invalid.

so you're just assuming it has holes in it? what's the point of arguing against him?

i question everything untill im convinced, you should too.

If god doesn't care about the fact that little kids get cancer, young girls are kept as sex slaves, entire wars are fought to fulfill the greed of politicians, and every other absolutely shitty thing that happens in the world, why do you think he gives a fuck if you eat pork or not?

When you are the one saying there are holes in it and that I shouldnt believe it, then maybe its time to change the basis of your argument.
I dont understand the picture but I already said that islam is the most logical religion with a god which is why I chose it.

>never actually read too much about it, but feel free to tell me whats wrong with it, I am listening.

The exact steps to two brief readings on the topic, are in the very post you replied to:

i wouldnt use the word argue, he believes in a god and i dont, i want to know which one of us is more likely to be correct because i value truth.

Nice anecdote, not quite sure what that is supposed to prove. It would be a gain for muslims really, as it would decrease tensions that are currently very high in Europe. Hatred expressed towards islam is becoming more and more common and it stems from a belief that Islam truly wants to islamize Europe and then the rest of the world. For people who have grown up in free and democratic societies, nothing could be worse than this, as we see what goes on in Islamic states. At this rate, violence and large scale conflict is inevitable.

>islam is the most logical religion with a god which is why I chose it.
How did you reach this conclusion? did you research every known religion?

Also i cant choose what i believe in, i have to be convinced. I've heard people can lie to themselves but i dont think thats healthy and certainly not the way to truth.

Why do you choose to be a muslim specifically? What about Islam do you like? Why not be a Christian; it has most of the same basic beliefs but less strict rules and still offers you forgiveness if you break them and feel bad.
Not specifically endorsing Christianity, but just asking why you think Islam is better than any other religion.

Did you get that argument from /r/atheism?

Also what did you learn in 1453? That wars and conquering cities was common 600 years ago? Or maybe you learned that Fatih Sultan Mehmet did not demolish any churches and granted the freedom of religion once he took over constantinople?

The picture's just a joke, playing on the whole "I learned everything I need to know about Islam on Sep 11" stuff you see rednecks with.

Because he said so ? lol.

Many of them make assumptions and I want to see which one stands out to you personally, I can read all of them and "respond" to them in my head but that would not accomplish anything.

Define "More likely to be correct"

Question still stands, if we acknowledge it but we dont stop it, what the fuck do you gain ?

and let me ask you, do you really believe that if this got way out of and that a western country wouldnt be able to stop refugees from coming in and from people from changing the law ? come on.

I didnt research every religion, but abrahamic religions seem to make the most sense, and thats a very strong statement considering something that are in them.

It just made more sense, its not about being strict or not its about being honest with my self, I believe there is a god, wether the chance is 0.1% or 100% existing, its best to take the safest bet, which is the religion which makes most sense, which to me is islam, and even if I didnt assume that, islam is the most strict one so if I follow it properly I already dont do anything christianity condemned, so when I meet the christian god, which islam says is the same god as islam's, I never broke any of their laws and it makes no sense for me to go to hell in that situation.

They believe in books full of stories like all other religions.

oh then I got triggered for nothing. I'm from Istanbul and it pisses me off when I see shit like that

So by birth I am a British "Muslim" but fuck can I just say can other muslims shut the fuck up!!!!

If theres any one reason I choose not to believe in islam is because of how utterly closed minded and reactionary hatred and paranoia it has to any form of attack.

Islam is a religion bread from a bunch of fucking slave farmers who had pretty much nothing else to do.

My stance on religion is this... If you have to have text written nearly two thousand years ago for you to do the right thing as a human being then well Fuck! Maybe you deserve to only be able to live believing in a heaven and hell. Because clearly your going to hell.

They belieb in following the teachings this guy, Mohammad, who fucks children, and think that he is the definition of a perfect human. Also, they apparently belieb in peace, but only between other Muslims, even though the Sunni's and Shiites hate each other. And they are told to wage war against non-Muslims. Oh, it's also custom in Islamic countries to fuck other guys and young boys for "fun" but being gay is a no-no.

>Define "More likely to be correct"
Well we cant be 100% certain about anything, so i guess i mean which even can be shown to be more rational, which has better reasons.
For you to be a rational muslim you should be able to disprove christianity and prove the existance of allah using the scientific method, i dont believe you can do that so i dont believe your claims.

>abrahamic religions seem to make the most sense
well of course, they are the most common, most talked about and you were raised in a culture that follows an abrahamic religion.
Also, your bias is showing.

Ive already answered what there is to gain, though admittedly it is far from the most important issue regarding the Europe situation, I just wanted to see your view on it. And the logic you use directly contradicts what most muslims would say about extremist muslims, "oh but they don't matter, they are just a minority!"

Well you are addressing the biggest problem there is, which is a denial and refusal by politicians and mainstream media to acknowledge any of these problems. They insist this is the way forward and continue to exacerbate the problems that have arisen. Immigrant-related problems, be it crime or economy, are consistently and systematically completely ignored by the media. Meanwhile any right-wing related issues are reported in fucking capital letters.

Short version: The governments CAN, but don¨t want to stop refugees and show no sign of doing anything about it anytime soon.

huh. You just opened my eyes a little user
Good analogy

Before I respond, what reasons do you have for not believing, your answer to this will make it easier for me to formulate my response.

A religion which says you will be reincarnated (as an example)after you die makes no sense, it has nothing to do with my bias.

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