Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1773

Impolite Edition

Cornucopia of Resources / Guide
Read the guide before asking questions.
djtguide.neocities.org/

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>What's the point of this thread?
For learners of Japanese to come and ask questions and shitpost with other learners. Japanese people learning English can come too I guess.
>Why is it here?
The mods moved us here and won't let us go anywhere else.
>Why not use the pre-existing Japanese thread?
The cultures are completely different.
>Go back to Sup Forums
We'd like to. Bitch to the mods.

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is DoBJG better than tae kim?

Fuck off

We don't want anything to do with those /jp/ pedophiles here.

I think the Nihongo Sureddo containing the term "DJT" is making the catalogue confusing and driving users away from the actual DJT.
I had some trouble figuring this mess out, I even scrolled through the third thread, thinking "what the fuck is wrong with DJT? It's looking like Nihongo Sureddo".

Of course I should have read the titles, but we can't count on everyone doing that. Should we ask them to stop doing this? Maybe they could link to Daily%20Japanese%20Thread instead or something. (Let's see if this works!)

Oops, wrong picture.

Dominican Jamaican Tasmanian

The Japanese Threads already link to DJT, you can just read their OP and see. You can search for DJT by using DJT

er, I fucked up but you get the idea

>うぜんだよ
huh, is that right

Should have included ハゲ.

you've never heard うぜんだよ before? i remember it being used a lot in the corpse party games, particularly between the jocky and worst girl

in fact, that's probably the best game to play to see japanese cussing in action

あのんくん

つかってはいけないにほんごは

しっていても

つかってはいけないよ

How do I use the core 6k deck on Anki and not freak out?

I can't remember a single Kanji or pronunciation when the fucking cards come in the order of

One
One (thing)
Two
Three (things)
Three
Two (things)
Four
Four (things)

etc

t. new

Counting is hard in Japanese. 2 years in and I still don't remember the proper counting readings and months of the year.
Also, tons of fucking counters.
>枚
>冊
>匹
>個
>階

First, make sure that your max reviews per day is 9999 so you don't hit some arbitrary cap later down the line.

Set your review times to something long, like 1 5 10 20.

The thing with Anki and SRS in general is that you're not going to remember the card on the first day. Forgetting is part of the SRS method, so when you are on the tip of forgetting and remember or have just forgotten, then that's when you know it's working.

No matter if you're reviewing or remembering, use anki as follows:
For new words, never hit Easy unless you know it from something previously.
If after taking your time to look at the word and try and remember but you either can't or get it wrong, hit again.
If you can remember the word after taking the time to think, hit hard.
If you can remember it fairly easily, hit good
If you can remember the word immediately, as a matter of reflex, hit easy.

You might go 3 days with struggling to remember a word, but it's that struggle that makes the word stick long term. A general idea of how remembering a word might go like this:
First time seeing it, you forget it next day.
Second exposure, you might still forget.
Third exposure, you might go 4 days without forgetting.
Fourth exposure, you might go 7 days without forgetting.
Fifth exposure, you might go a fortnight or a month without forgetting.

If you ever do not remember, hit again. It doesn't matter if it's been 1 day or 2 months, if you can't remember then smack that again button harder than I smacked your sister.

Don't forget to read out loud both the reading and the meaning before and after you hit show. Doing that encourages your brain to make neural pathways. You may also want to do "Cram study" by using the Custom Study option and selecting "Review Forgotten Cards" and setting it to 1 or 2 days. Doing cram sessions every day in your down time will boost your retention rate.

That's what I mean, it doesn't feel like I should be bruteforcing all of the numerals into my head as a total beginner because it's not something that my brain cares about enough to learn especially without context.
I already know the cardinal ichi ni san yon go roku etc shit but learning the Kanji won't be made easier if I get completely different ordinal pronunciations thrown at me as soon as I open the deck.

Thanks for detailed reply.
I know the basic principle of SRS and all, I learnt a few thousand words of Serbo-Croatian using Memrise for example.
When it comes to core 6k on Anki though I had it open (on AnkiDroid) for 30 minutes, hitting "Again" over and over constantly because I couldn't remember the ones that I had already seen multiple times for shit even if the last time I had seen a specific symbol was just a few seconds earlier.

Is it possible to change the order in which stuff shows up or something?

There's two ways you can order the Core6K, the default which is roughly in order of most common to least common, or random. The default order, though it's hard, is recommended however because once you've gotten 2k words down and some grammar you should be able to read some basic material to broaden your knowledge. If you set the order to random it'll take 3x as long to get to reading because some very common words might get shoved at the end of the deck.

Sometimes it's hard, I also struggled at the start for a long time getting numbers, days of the week, and days of the month right, but eventually it gets easier. Finding your own way of remembering words short term, like making up mnemonics, might help ( I remembered wednesday because I made some shit up about swimming on wednesday, for example, and made up stories for all the days of the week). Eventually you'll forget the mnemonics and just remember the reading, so don't worry about relying on it for really shitty stuff.

Only thing I can say is "It gets easier", and I recommend the default order to assist your future studies.

The answer is to suspend or delete all the counting cards and learn them outside of anki

After looking up countless tutorials, I still can't fucking figure out how to send mail to japan

i need to figure this out like within the hour or it won't be there by christmas.

youtu.be/wloCn1TqaD4?list=PLINFE8v4DOhvV5tJT77oF92vIwLLl6wAA

her lessons are great but this voice gets a bit annoying over time

There is a word of 出世魚.
That means fish that are called by different names as they grow larger.
Though I wonder if the chinko has two name of small cock and erect cock.
I guess those are chinko and chinpo.
chinko is no-erect cock.
chinpo is erect cock.

Alright, thanks for the replies.
I guess I'll stick with it for a while and see if it gets better, maybe it's just that I'm prejudiced towards Anki.

what are you trying to do?

WARNING
I've never said Baita and Ama in my life
These are not used in modern Japanese.
and I say SHINE 200 times per a day.

Why small list of swear words. Russian language has a tons of curses and swear.

send mail to japan

>talking shit on Takepan
死ね

Nice, now just 199 more times today, boss, and you'll be real Japanese.

this girl gave me her address but apparantly japanese mail requires the block number / house number / ward in a 0 - 0 -0 format but the address she gave me doesn't have the numbers listed in that format

this is confusing. i need to find the 3 numbers.

Have you tried asking her?

japanpostalcode.net/

put address in, it spits info out

what is most offensive.
しるか
or
くそくらえ
?
if meaning "fuck off".

A lot of people come in here whining about laziness and whatnot, but shit dude, that's your personal problem. That's you being spineless, or weak. Grow up! Read Yotsuba and hanahira a second time if need be. Get a clue. Laziness doesn't have a cure. It's all in your head. You just have to buckle up. And if you can't, get out of here! You're done.

So it's time to get out the Grammar Hammer and nail those little bastards down.

>Should I ever bother to learn the world "fuss"? I heard that most people just use "bother" to say the same thing.

I felt like that yesterday.

I read anyways.

I struggled the entire time, failing to recognize words that I know and having trouble wrapping my head around several sentences.

However, by the end of it, I still committed several new words to my vocabulary.

Go read!

Are you working 17 hours a day like I am?
no, so fuck off you neet piece of shit

no fuck you fucking pleb.
is right.

>(the fuck) do I know?
vs.
>Eat shit!
gee I wonder which one

of course you don't, shitty baka gaijin.

one is a blatant insult and the other one is an annoyed reaction

are you stupid or something?

stfu nigger, no one asked you.

>アメリカの番組

I agree you probably don't need to memorize all the numeral+counter combinations right away, but it would probably be beneficial to at least learn the 一つ二つ三つ readings. There's only ten of them and every counter will generally use either a version of one of those or the numbers you already know.

Is eye doctor (me-isha) spelt
目医者 or
眼医者
?

>目医者
About 21,100,000 results
>眼医者
About 647,000 results

They're different things. Tae Kim is a guide, with drills. DoJG is a dictionary. Most people don't just read it front to back.

>learning a foreign language to watch their cartoons

A bit silly innit.

Ah, why couldn't I think of that option myself.

Thank you very much!

That's . This thread is about learning Japanese to live there and get a job.

>Japanese to live there and get a job
わろたw
笑わせんで

bullshit
I just like this thread better than the other one

Not quite true.

the /jp/ thread is for full, desperate weebs. Like you're never supposed to go full weeb, but the /jp/ faggots do. And they're in /jp/, a safe haven for pedophiles that masturbate to japanese cartoon children.

Sup Forums is for the more politically inclined. while some of us are learning to move to japan and increase our international prospects, the others are just here because they don't want to be associated with /jp/

I was discussing how "smell" is handled in English vs. Portuguese with a friend, and which words imply good/bad or ambiguous smells (scent, perfume, aroma, odor, smell, etc.).

Then I mentioned how there are several words in Japanese too and suddenly I realized I already knew how to say a pretty specific word like smell in three diferent ways.
We tend to think "why do they have this word if there is already that word?", but overlooking our language is the same.

Also, don't mind me, just testing something.
%20japanese%20thread
_japanese_thread

/jp/ is for the people who will actually learn Japanese
Sup Forums is for the people who think they will be fluent in Japanese in 6 months but give up when they are not

What if I am here for longer than 6 months.
And frequent both boards.

日本語は六ヶ月にして習わず

Can someone please help me to translate this sentence: その喉越しは愉悦を極め大地を丸ごと食したような恍惚感が得られるという
Anything I come up with is complete bullshit.

Here's how a translation group would translate it
It tastes really good

They say the feeling of it passing your throat is the height of pleasure, making obtainable a state of ecstasy as though one had just eaten all the earth.
・・・的な

>a state of ecstasy as though one had just eaten all the earth.
That's the most American thing I've read all day.

Step 7:

Remove the review limit by going to the deck options and under the "Reviews" tab and setting "Maximum reviews/day" to 9999 (Don't be alarmed by this number, it likely won't go above 200-350 in the long run at decent retention with 20-30 new cards a day, the point is more to set it to something you'll never hit)
-

Is this safe? I'm not sure this is a good idea. I like having a review limit, but is it really safe to just study new cards all day long?

i feel like i'd lose motivation quick doing that.

>a state of ecstasy as though one had just eaten all the earth
This was the most confusing part desu.
Well, that's more or less what I was thinking about. Thanks.

Review limit is not the same as number of new cards.

Having a review limit of 50 would mean that you wouldn't be doing more than 50 reviews, even though you might have 100 reviews waiting to be done. This means more cards due for review get pushed back and it repeats day after day. In the end, you'll not see cards that were due for review for days/weeks and your retention will drop through the floor.

thanks, started core, and right away anki is fucking with my brain

一。Yeah that's ichi. 一つ. Well that must be ichitsu --- wait it's hitotsu what the fuck

getting my brain to comprehend that shit's gonna be wack

Why did the mods kick out DJT? It's been there for years. Did Sup Forums really get that annoyed at on one stinking general?

What the fuck is the point in me continuing to try learn this crap when I apparently forget things swift as fuck?
Here's an example.
>Day 1 (not actually my first day of learning this shit, I'm just using this in the example) of Anki - Learn some kanji and words
>Day 2 - Learn some new kanji and words, the stuff I learned yesterday shows up and although I recognize the kanji/hiragana, I cannot remember their meanings, so I relearn them in this lesson
>Day 3 - Learn some new kanji and words, but the old ones come up again and I still haven't memorized them, so I have to relearn them over again
>Day on and fucking on - Same shit happens constantly

Fuck this shit, this is impossible
>Just read jap lol
How am I meant to read without knowing the basics? That is completely illogical and yet without reading I'm never going to be able to retain anything.
How the fuck is Anki enough for anybody to learn this shit? Fuck I am mad, every time I open Anki I enjoy it while learning the new Kanji, but as soon as the stuff I previously 'learned' shows up and I cannot remember them it just pisses me off and makes me think what the fuck is the point?

>How am I meant to read without knowing the basics?
If you look up the words and grammar you don't know and remember them just long enough to figure out what the sentence means, you're still learning something even if you forget ten minutes later.
>How the fuck is Anki enough for anybody to learn this shit?
It's not, you got memed. It's a good tool for memorizing things but not an all-in-one language teacher.
>Fuck I am mad, every time I open Anki I enjoy it while learning the new Kanji, but as soon as the stuff I previously 'learned' shows up and I cannot remember them it just pisses me off and makes me think what the fuck is the point?
Do fewer new cards a day if you're doing too many to remember right now. Steel your heart and have patience.

Read.

Just have autism, m8. It's not that hard.

Forgetting is part of learning, user.

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Who /10newcardsaday/ here?

I don't use anki because learning vocabs without a proper context just isn't fun

I mean that's not anki's fault, it's japanese's fault

>with drills
there is only a few exercises in tae kim's guide, and they don't go past lesson 6 of basic grammar. I wouldn't take them into consideration.

is there a way to add stroke order to the core deck? with the stroke order my reviews in anki will be all i need outside of tae kim's guide

you should talk to mary

Wait you guys don't unironically use anki, right?

who the fuck cares about stroke order, the most efficient way of writing them usually is the stroke order anyway and if it isn't then there's no need to be autistic about it

What do you use, fuck?

>inb4memrise

>who the fuck cares about stroke order

The Kentei 1 examination

anki reps done. time for memrise and next lesson of tae kim, then a video of namasensei to top it off

learning japanese is fun!

Me. I am almost done with Core6k.
Just gotta get my grandson at school and will do my daily reps.

Will browsing 2ch give me a lil boost?

A boost of cancer? Yeah.

Would you go to Sup Forums to improve your English?

I think it helps English learners a lot actually.

It would certainly give them an arsenal of ways to proposition black men for some quality time with their wives.

considering most non natives here are fluent i'd say it helps

I've heard it spoken, just thought it was slanged up うるさい

うるさい is different from うざい (which is used in うぜんだよ). うるさい just means "noisy" or it's used when you want to tell someone to pipe down. うざい means "annoying" or used when you want to call someone a pest.

教えてくれてありがとう
自分の下品の語彙を増した!

うるさい、バカ
何もわかってないくせに

I would. Visited some French chans and it was a great experience - until I noticed they are all dead and there is no rotation of content.
And the francofil is garbage.

For English (and Japanese at 2ch) there are several boards with actual niche discussion and a steady userbase to make it a learning platform.

Of course there will be lots of lingo, but that's where common sense comes in. Everyone's exposed to informal language from birth and it's not like it affects our learning of proper written language.

I wasn't there to see the drama but I have heard a rumour that people were getting fed up of the constant generals (you'll notice there is no monster girl general on Sup Forums anymore). Sadly it seems DJT was an unfortunate casualty of the purge.

If it's helping you recognise and differentiate between kanji, then it's already doing its job. You learn in context and you only get that by reading and constant use, flash cards are only an aid, nit the be all and end all.

If it helps though, I'm having the same problem and I partly solved it by changing my step times. Also don't wait until the next day to do your reviews, do it more often while it's still fresher in your mind.

Does anyone have experience with these 3 or 6-12 month long language schools in Japan?
I think I've seen schools where you only play around 6000$ for 6 months Japanese classes, food and dorm.

I don't want to blogpost, but just for understanding my situations is as follows
>24years old job is shit
>I'll quit in 2-3 months

Thinking about doing

a) Go to school to get a degree worth something and learn Japanese as a hobby (which will probably be slow cause I don't have enough time to learn)
b) Go to a language school in Japan for 6-12 months to become fluent (hopefully) and get my degree later.
c) Go for the "International Business Management Japan" major where I spent 2 semester in Japan.

Also can you do work and travel in Japan?

>just teach English
Well I'm not a native speaker so yeah I'm fucked.

Learning Japanese is not going to get you a new job. So you would be spending 6 months and 6000$ for a hobby.

>Also can you do work and travel in Japan?
Working holiday visa, but who is going to hire you?

うざい is similar to うっとうしい.
うぜえ is うざい in Kanto dialect.
うぜんだよ is shortened for うぜえんだよ.

>Learning Japanese is not going to get you a new job. So you would be spending 6 months and 6000$ for a hobby.
I'm aware of that, I've saved some money I'm fine spending it on my hobby.

>Working holiday visa, but who is going to hire you?
I don't know, there must be a shit job I can do or not?
A friend of mine went to Australia for work and travel and did stuff like help a farmer and shit to get by.