What does Sup Forums know about the Mexican Revolution?

What does Sup Forums know about the Mexican Revolution?

Nice hats
Pancho Vila and Zapatta

Probably nothing.

Pancho Villa was based

what this gentleman said

tell us about it Manolo

taco's war

one day at work the two coworkers i was closing with and i realized all of our families had stories involving pancho villa: he crashed at our houses and ate our food.

La cucaracha, la cucaracha
Ya no puede caminar
Porque no tiene, porque le falta
Marihuana que fumar.

кaкaя кpacoтa

Huh, tha song was referring to Victoriano Huerta (a guy who did a coup d'état during the revolution). Victoriano was "la cucaracha" (the cockroach). So that really is from that time.

First war recorded on film/video I believe.

Woodrow Wilson went all moralfag and refused to intervene on Huerta's behalf even though US corporations were pushing hard for it, because they were hoping for another Porifiro Diaz who would allow them to loot Mexico unhindered.

Woodrow Wilson was a faggot t b h
I don't like him
Had he been even dumber that he was, when you entered WW1 we would have entered on the side of the krauts.


There's a thread on /his/

>Had he been even dumber that he was, when you entered WW1 we would have entered on the side of the krauts

Impossible anyway. Mexico was in a state of anarchy and had absolutely no way to take on the US in a war, nor did Germany have any way of sending supplies. But then again, some suspect the Zimmerman Telegram was a forgery by the British Foreign Office to bait the US into war with Germany and thus bail out the Entente's asses.

Maybe, it did get Wilson to panic and ask the Southern Cone presidents to mediate.
Even if Mexico was in Africa tier chaos they still would have caused problems.
Pancho Villa was fucking shit over, looting, being a bandit, stealing horses and mocking your military.
What Wilson accomplished was getting our disdain for an entire century, until hating on the US was no longer the norm.

How do you even still ally with Brits when they are more dangerous as allies than as enemies

We sold them 75% of the oil they used during WWI.

I know that Mexicans are revolting.

weren't there several?
latin americans can't into stability

No, it was one big conflict where when somebody got on power someone else was butt hurt and fought him, until one faction won at the end.
But this faction did fight a war against religious followers when they were aggressively curbing the rights of the Church.
It went:
>old dictator beat by new guy
>new guy killed by general pro old dictator
>general btfo by new guy's friends
>one armed guy takes power, nobody likes him much
>one armed guy's friends turn on him when he tries to get a literal who elected as his successor
>his ex friends fight the church and set the bases for the one party government Mexico had

>curbing the rights of the Church.
I thought all mexicans loved the virgin mary and that shit

Not the government back then, the 1917 constitution really btfo the church. This constitution inspired commie Russia one and the Weimar Republic.
They removed the church from having anything to do with life, no education, no politics, no nothing. They went to war to curb the rights of the Church.
If Elias Calles had had his way Mexico would be full on atheist and very socialist.

Would it be better or worse

redpill me on pancho villa
my dad hates him and says he was a worthless sack of shit who accomplished nothing that he is pretty much a meme at this point
im a CHI by the way

Benito Juarez had tried to separate the state from the Church decades earlier (way before the revolution). But when Porfirio Díaz (the dicatator that caused the revolution) came into power he was a friend with the Church, and it wasn't until much later that the new president Plutarco Elias Calles (after the revolution had ended) went full against the Church.
It wasn't so much as being against Virgin Mary, but against the enormous power the Church had over Mexico. It still does to this day.

More bandit than revolutionary


To give you an example of how it was, if a priest was caught in public wearing priest robes he would be fined the equivalent of 4250$ dollars (2010).
If a priest criticized the government? Prison.
Church land was seized, foreign priests expelled, monastic orders expelled, religious schools closed, some states made it so only one priest was allowed on the entire state.
Elias Calles was super anti church.
Mexico was pretty communist-ish back then.
Don't know if better, Church now has little influence in politics, but a lot in some people's lives.

>Church land was seized, foreign priests expelled, monastic orders expelled, religious schools closed, some states made it so only one priest was allowed on the entire state.
WTF I love Mexico now.

>bail out
You lot joined at the last minute when The war was over

>frog commie
No surprise is the commie scene still big there or is it just hipsters and such?

I know a fair share, for an American at least. I had family members on the Federal (Porfirian) from Jalisco, DF and Durango who directly worked for Diaz and family from the Chiapas and DF who worked for Zapata. Also had one family member from Edomex who was head of a local garrison who worked for the Federals and defected to the Zapatista cause with a bunch of federal troops and sold guns to various factions to finance his immigration here.

Ask me anything.

Hispter & arablover

For anyone interested, it went down like this

>Porfirio Díaz has been president for a long time, says he's retiring and free elections coming, everyone's hopes go up
>he's senile and after several bad choices goes back on his word, no elections
>several politicians, northern ones mostly, revolt
>they rally around Madero who had good intentions and wanted to make stuff better
>peasant movements in the south, Zapata, and the north, Villa, rise and get involved with Madero, he promises change
>Madero's forces defeat Diaz, he resigns and is exiled to France
>free elections, possibly the freest in Mexico's history, Madero wins
>Madero is reluctant on giving much to the revolutionary peasant leaders, doesn't want them to define the politics of the country
>they start rebelling and fighting Madero
>with support from the US, conservative pro-Diaz, Victoriano Huerta takes over in a coup
>Madero and his Vice President are executed outside the government palace after being forced to resign
>northern politicians, Madero's allies, rebel, lead by Venustiano Carranza
>ww1 is looming so Huerta doesn't get much support, US ambassador who helped him is imprisoned in the US
>Huerta is defeated and exiled
>US invades and takes the port of Veracruz, angering the revolutionaries
>Huerta tried to stage a coup from within the US through conspiracy with the Germans. They imprisoned him in, he died of syphilis
>Carranza is president now, the government continues fighting the peasant leaders
>Carranza's constitution was very liberal and several regimes took stuff from it, like the USSR and the Weimar Republic
>US intercepts a German telegram asking Mexico to join the central powers if US joins the war and to seek Japan as an ally
>US looks to improve its relations with Mexico and reaches a hand to Carranza, who had threatened to destroy large oil fields the US wanted
>US gives support to Carranza, with the help from Chile, Argentina and Brazil they manage to keep Mexico from declaring war

>Carranza's improving relations with the US trigger Villa who is still angry with both, so he invades the US
>Carranza allows an American army to chase him down in Mexican soil
>Villa and Zapata allied at one point against Carranza, but Zapata was disillusioned with Villa and continued his guerilla war in Morelos on his own
>Zapata is betrayed, ambushed and assassinated by forces loyal to the president
>before this he had basically lead the state of Morelos on his own without any interference from Carranza, like his own country
>Carranza's term is coming up and he tries to get an unknown civilian elected as president
>this triggers his other northern politician allies who revolt, lead by Álvaro Obregón
>while running away from the city Carranza is assassinated and interim president Adolfo de la Huerta takes over until elections can happen
>Obregón wins the elections and reaches out to make peace with Villa
>the "instituionalization of the revolution" starts, the things Zapata and Villa were fighting for are included in government policy
>Villa retires and is given an Hacienda for him and his veterans
>When Obregón is about to finish his term Pancho Villa expresses interest on getting into politics and is assassinated
>Obregón finishes his term and his right hand man, Calles, is elected
>Calles stars the Cristero War, which started because he was separating church and state for good, taking away the influence of the Catholic Church, triggering the faithful
>eventually war winds out and Elías Calles's term is running out
>Obregón gets re elected but is assassinated before he can take power, some say by Cristeros others say by Calles
>next three presidents (1928-1934) are Calles puppets, time called Maximato
>this ends when Cárdenas becomes president and brings a bunch of reforms
>Cárdenas doesn’t want to be the next puppet so he exiles Elías

>everyone published a plan and they all, even if in a small way, shaped Mexico

The RCC in those days wanted a theocracy where they controlled all education and the Church could own real estate, plus clergy were exempt from military service.

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I know about the Zapatistas and Magonists, but only because of the EZLN

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Anyway, Porifirio Diaz was a dictator who basically worked as a puppet of the US and Europe. We milked the country's natural resources unhindered, enriching Diaz and his friends who robbed and enslaved most of the Mexican population. They did modernize the country, built industry, railroads, telegraph lines, and suppressed banditry, but at an awful cost in human life. And of course all that infrastructure was there mainly to benefit foreign corporations so they could extract raw materials.

By the start of the 20th century, Diaz was pushing 80 and getting senile. Unrest started to mount, but he didn't want to step down from power. Finally he had to flee the country in 1910.

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The US had a huge amount of money invested in Mexico and about 40,000 American citizens lived there in 1910. When shit started going down, a lot of American property and life was at stake and corporations demanded action. They were egged on by William Randolph Hearst who happened to own a ranch in Mexico.

But Woodrow Wilson wouldn't do it. During the previous decade and a half, Theodore Roosevelt had established the precedent of frequent military interventions in Latin America to protect US business interests, however Wilson was Captain Morals and said that the revolution was Mexico's internal affair and not our concern. He also said that Huerta was Porifirio Diaz 2.0 ie. a tyrant and that he would not prop up such a leader.

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i only know about the cucaracha song

nothing else, tried reading on wikipedia but i still don't understand shit

i have no idea who was fighting who and for what purpose

can someone give me a tl;dr version?

Now, in the spring of 1914, a party of US sailors were arrested in port at Tampico apparently by mistake. They were quickly released, but then the hotheaded captain of the ship demanded the Mexicans salute the Stars and Stripes. Huerta said he would not honor a country that considered him an illegitimate ruler.

Wilson at this point decided on armed intervention after all. He ordered the occupation of Veracruz which claimed about 230 US and Mexican lives. All-out war threatened, after which the South American states offered mediation. They held a conference that summer in upstate New York, in which Wilson reiterated his distaste of Huerta and desire to remove him.

So now, the Mexican leader had to flee power and Venustiano Carranza seized control. The guerrillas of Pancho Villa then caused a trail of destruction by murdering 18 US citizens in Santa Ysabel, followed by a cross-border raid into Columbus, New Mexico.

See
It was complicated man.

Wilson then dispatched General John Pershing to capture Pancho Villa. Pershing's troops swept into Mexico and killed or dispersed most of the Villa gang, but Pancho himself escaped. Carranza with hesitation allowed the US intervention to take place, under the condition that Mexico be allowed to do same on US soil if need be. But now the Carranzites became suspicious of US intentions, and war with Germany threatened, so Pershing was recalled home in early 1917.

Then in the spring, the Zimmerman Telegram was intercepted which contained an offer from the German Foreign Ministry to Mexico that in exchange for an alliance, they would get back some of the territory lost to the US 70 years earlier. Outrage over this prompted Congress to declare war on Germany in April 1917.

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In fact, Pancho Villa's power was already dwindling by the time of the US intervention. Villa was actually quite an Americaboo as he depended on US supplies, had friends in Hollywood, and was often lionized by the American press as some kind of anarchist freedom fighter, however, US support for Carranza left him feeling betrayed. Following the takeover of Obregon, Villa was given a plot of land to retire on, and he did so until a few years later when he tried to run for president and was assassinated on Obregon's orders.

As mentioned above, the intervention caused considerable butthurt in Mexico that was capitalized on by the quasi-socialist government that took over after 1920. Obregon met with US officials in El Paso and declared that massive armed force would be used on Pershing if he didn't skedaddle.

They even took Leon Trotsky in after his exile from the USSR.

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>Leon Trotsky

>Obregon met with US officials in El Paso and declared that massive armed force would be used on Pershing if he didn't skedaddle

The incident was of considerable embarrassment to the US, as the European powers laughed at our being bossed around by smelly brown people. "Wait, you actually can't defeat taco niggers with old guns in a war? LOLOLOLOL!!!" It did much to expose the poor preparedness of the US Army at that time, which itself was toting old guns and sometimes even equipment that dated back to the Civil War.

CUTE

Have you not had a bunch of those?

idk why Yanks complain about Mexican immigrants, what a qt3.14

No one else is going to check these quads?

i know that they have to go back.

Fun fact, he lived next door to Diego Rivera, the dude on the 500 Pesos bill.