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fuck off

Go take a walk in a christmas market friend.

>男前 means handsome man
How do nips think this up?

maybe it's a man you would pick before others

They sure have a way with words.
>Hey Hitoshi, what's that thing up there in the sky?
>Oh, it's a... It's a FLY GO MACHINE

lol german is worse though, for us it's a "fly thing" or "flight thing"

It's not as bad as german.

Is there some feature in Anki that would let me add a new card to my reviews when I see it, but not count towards my new cards for the day? For example, if I have a word that is pretty easy, such as a katakana english loan word or a fairly simple combination of words I already know, but I still want to review it just in case, but I don't want it to eat into my actual new words for the day. Or would I just have to go into the settings and increase the new cards and then return them to normal once I'm done?

Proper OP image? Nice!

Here's a word and a gif for you: いい子いい子.

Custom study, first option to increase today's new card limit, enter the number of new cards to add for today.

I just finished today's reviews so I can't test it out, but can you do this in the middle of your reviews so that the extra new cards appear with the regular ones, as opposed to all at the end?

Yes. Unless you have the "show new cards after reviews" setting of course.

Is this OK?

お前らは、俺が寝る間に、スレを死なせないでくれ

*寝てる間に

誰もポストしたくないなら
無理にポストしなくてもいいじゃない

Where's the user-kun that was making all the great DJT OP images? Did he end up in the /jp/ version masturbating to touhou and AV idols?

Yep. Fuck.

don't worry, he's in a better place now

Anybody knows how to use github.com/txgio/orikaisama/releases ?
I downloaded Nightly so I could install it but I run into another problem. It has no instructions and pressing keys at random does nothing.

Don't worry, user. We've still got 3D pornstar OPs.

I ain't mad about that, user. I prefer real women. I've long outgrown anime girls after... and don't judge me, having [spoiler]sex[/spoiler].

Also, fuck this board for not having working spoiler tags.

If anybody is interested in this, you use [ and ] keys. I just wish the author bothered enough to add a description.

ahhh, it's so fresh!
cute!

Well, I have made 4 images that have been used as OP images since the Sup Forums ban, one of them being /jp/ exclusive. Maybe that's what you're referring to?
Now if you're asking about Sup Forums era OP images, I have nothing to do with them.

Anyway, if you don't follow both threads, you are missing out on the true premium DJT experience only DJT can offer you.

Seconded, I like going on both threads. I come here to talk about the japanese language and language learning strategies in general, and I go to the /jp/ DJT to see 12 year old autist weebs sperging out about petty bullshit like people posting the wrong anime pics or god forbid people asking language learning related questions on a fucking thread that calls itself the Daily Japanese Thread.

still a baby
but is it a normal retention rate? or is it below average?

That's pretty much it.
I have noticed from all walltexts I've written since the /jp/ split, only one happened over there, since there doesn't seem to be enough space for any discussion to get momentum without being shat on dinosaurically.

Just hope we're able to keep some "cultural identity" here - their full-on assburgers may be amusing, but it's a nice immune system. The Sup Forums branch lacks a bit on that self-preservation instinct.

after all is said and done, I visit this thread about as often as I did on Sup Forums, that's to say hardly ever

don't even bother asking this question until a month from now

ああ、OK, ありがおとうございます。

>The Sup Forums branch lacks a bit on that self-preservation instinct.
That's because this thread has nothing to preserve itself from.

>I like going on both threads
Are you a masochist?

The original thread was hard enough to follow with its' 11-12 years of easily explained bullshit.

Come up with something new or go back to /x/.

Which grammar guide, book, or series of books will give the most solid foundation (e.g. gives good understanding of basics, don't have to look up grammar on google or DoJG as often as if you had read the others)?

Memorize all of DoJG

>doing daily anki
>get to "change"
>guy says 変える
>woman says the rest of the sentence

That has become pretty much the standard on Core10k as I finished the first 6000 cards. At least when the pronunciation is shit you can get two different people saying it so you don't learn it wrong.

what did they mean by this

>word for robot is spoken in a robotic voice

FUCK, that scared the shit out of me when it happened, holy shit.
Back then it was still season 1, where we only had the friendly guy who likes to sleep with you and the romantic girl who is on her period, with a very few rare exceptions of a second female voice here and there.

The robot one is unique. Not even the +100dB 万歳 or 一体 audios got me by surprise like that.

I feel like I missed out on something by not studying with audio

But I mostly do my reps in the office in the morning so maybe it's for the best

would it be a good idea to turn off the furigana for the sentences?

Yes. I run two sentences on the back of my cards. The raw sentence up the top (for reading) and the furigana version down the bottom (for troubleshooting).

Yes. The sooner the better.
Even if you forget how some characters are even read aloud, if you recognize the meaning you will be ok. That's actually more important. The readings will come with time.

>Even if you forget how some characters are even read aloud, if you recognize the meaning you will be ok. That's actually more important.
So long as you only think of the meaning in English that might be true.

{{FrontSide}}


{{Vocabulary-Audio}}
{{Sentence-Audio}}
{{Vocabulary-English}}


{{Vocabulary-Kana}}


{{Vocabulary-Pos}}


{{furigana:Reading}}


{{Sentence-English}}


What do I remove so that only the furigana gets taken off? No idea what I'm doing

>meaning in Engllish
Not necessarily. Sometimes I have more trouble thinking of an equivalent term in English/Portuguese for a card than to actually recalling it's meaning.

After a while you start to get a pictorial sixth sense, it's pretty cool.. I feel like I can even start making my own words by mix-and-matching!

how would knowing the reading change this?

obviously when studying any second language you don't map words 1:1 to your native tongue

>After a while you start to get a pictorial sixth sense
Yes I love this

When I study new vocabulary I don't actually really think about the English meaning of the word at all. That's already inherently baked into the kanji 99% of the time. I just focus on remembering the reading

That was the most hellish session of Anki I've ever had. I just did not feel like doing it at all, and as such I was stuck in a loop going through the last 20 words over and over for about 40 minutes.
That single handedly almost makes me want to just outright quit, but maybe it was a 1 off. I sure as hell hope it is anyway.

>I just focus on remembering the reading
That's what I do as well, and why I think the reading is most important. The meaning is "inherently baked" into the sound of the reading just as much as it is baked into the kanji. The reading is the word itself, while the kanji is only a representation of the word on a screen or page.

anyone know good exercises/ways on studying hiragana/katakana? i am writing them down and remembering the sounds/how they are pronounced and using kanateacher but i feel that is not enough.

ive heard its good to write words with using the kana you remember but how do i do this without even knowing basic jap vocab?

keep ur chin up hon

remember to stay hydrated and don't do reps on an empty stomach

if you're having trouble with a word look up some sentences that contain it. remembering vocab in isolation is difficult. I find I'm waay more likely to forget a word that I first encountered in a precompiled deck than I am a vocab I caught in the wild and added to a deck manually. because there's no context for the former

don't study the kana without a textbook.

for japanese/arabic/russian sometimes they just teach you the alphabet first but that's dumb.

just read genki. IIRC the very first words/grammar are romanized but it switches over to kana quickly enough. that's much more sensible than studying symbols in isolation

That can happen if you're tired.

I had to start taking naps when I get off work because the fatigue fries my brain and fucks with my retention.
Just remember, if you're feeling ill or whatever it's better to turn off/reduce new cards than to skip a session. Setting a precedent is not something you want to do early on.

Study in small sessions of 15 minutes each throughout the day, you are clearly one of these ADHD-crippled cyberkiddos.

Karaoke. Don't you know some weeb songs you can sing from heart? I knew a lot of them back when I knew only romaji. They were a great way to exercise kanas without a vocabulary.

It's the review cards that kill me for the most part. Is it normal to get like 80ish cards to review each session? Just feels like too much each day.

And yeah, I am tired as hell which is no doubt why that was so agonizing.

what kind of textbooks? i am using tae kim, as the guide suggested. what makes genki any different? i would like to hear other opinions.

no i'm not a weeb.

他動詞と自動詞の違いは、自動詞では「を」+「動詞」の形にならないと読んでもらいましたのですが

フェイトを読んでいた時、「垂れる」という自動詞をその形に目に入りました「頭を垂れよう」って

使っている辞書の問題の可能性もあるが、どういうことだ?

>Is it normal to get like 80ish cards to review each session?
Yes of course.

I deliberately try to ensure at least 100 a day (and that's before my review of the forgotten cards). some people do far more

But if it's too much for you then it's too much. There's zero shame in taking at your own pace. Just set it to show you less reviews a day.

tae kim is just a laundry list of grammar and assumes you know the alphabet, which you clearly don't

genki is a textbook for people with zero japanese experience and starts off with roman characters so that when you do learn the alphabet (very soon) you can write actual words and sentences with it

tae kim should be considered harmful at this point. I don't know why some guy's blog is recommended over actual uni coursebooks

Why do customer service Japanese women smile at me when I say Konnichiwa back to them when they greet me? J-men don't say anything and basically ignore them. I'm pretty I have perfect pronunciation so It's not that - do they think it's cute? I'm pretty attractive desu.

頭を垂れる
糸を垂れる
範を垂れる
教訓を垂れる
小便を垂れる

okay.

so i download the genki books (is it a lot?)

by then i would have memorized the hiragana and kana, yes? and then i move on to tae kim, and as i study tae kim i do the kanji remembering stuff everyone else is doing. is this a good plan?

how long will it take me to finish genki on average?

women are socially conditioned to smile and laugh at everything

(I hate women)

How do I remove the furigana from the sentences in the core 2k/6k deck? Even if I remove the furigana, the [reading] shows up beside the kanji so it looks even worse.

There's just two volumes. I think they just take you to around N4 level or so? You'd have the whole phonetic alphabet, a couple hundred kanji, and survival level Japanese.

I wouldn't bother with Tae Kim personally. I'd use the Kanzen Master series after getting the basics out of the way, but we're getting ahead of ourselves.

Yeah, but I think they just love my deep and boomy voice coupling with the fact I'm a 6'2" muscular white guy and 99% of J-men have zero charisma. It probably makes them wet when they see my pecs bounce even under a sweatshirt. I need to form a harem of petite busty j-girls like pic-related.

I thought the number of reviews per day would eventually settle to around 10 times the number of new cards per day?

That's the case for me. I have around 550 reviews for Kanji with 50 cards a day.

normalfag 外国指導助手s with something to prove should refrain from blogging

alright thanks. i will follow your advice. how long have you been studying jap? how advanced are you?

maybe? I haven't done the math

I find my limit is something like 200 a day, which happened when I was doing a full RTK chapter every day.

Introducing 20 vocab words a day puts me around ~100-120

I'm polishing off my N2 deck before downloading the N1 one and it's around 60 a day

小説とライト in AZW3 format, seems to have a bunch from the dead links page on the CoR. Found them on a hard drive after making some space and checked out of curiosity if they were the same as what is already up only to find a few of them being listed as dead links.
List of contents:
pastebin.com/XFs17zrT

All uploaded in archived folders for individual series, containing AZW3 files. The files were last modified in late 2015 so perhaps I downloaded them from the CoR before they were removed from their mega accounts.
mega.nz/#F!JU5AXT7a!fHJgZVqGACSNDq11sJO_og

Which ones? There's been a fair handful of different OP images over the past year and a bit alone.

I use the desktop app but daaamn that 24 dorra price tag on the mobile app
Kek those knockoff apps are shite

if you work outside the home, it's ultimately worth it imo

there's always the web interface though

>小便を垂れる
That sounds very Australian; "just going to hang a piss".

>Using ishit
The android app is objectively better, free, and open source

>but daaamn that 24 dorra price tag on the mobile app
Are you referring to Anki(droid)?
Is this the Apple iOS version?

Just use the website?

We leddit now

ios

水が垂れる means 'Water drips.'.
頭(こうべ)を垂れる means 'He bows his head'.
That verb has two meanings.

whats wrong with that the guy said?

The reasons not to use iShit just keep stacking up

genki is mediocre but reddit loves it
also universities are garbage at teaching languages so anybody who acts like a resource is good just because universities use it can be instantly disregarded

so what do you recommend then?

Reading the guide

please keep this OP, I can find it so easily when scrolling

Here's an easier way, bookmark

日本語は自動詞と他動詞の区別が曖昧て省略も多い
垂れるは自動詞と他動詞の両方に使います

自動詞の例
「電線が垂れる」「雲が低く垂れる」

他動詞の例
「釣り糸を垂れる」「教えを垂れる

君の辞書が自動詞とのみ書いてあるとすれば、その辞書は間違いです

>just going to hang a piss
将に立ちション

Drop the namefaggotry and stop using thematic images to identify yourself. It's essentially avatarfaggotry.

It's taken me four days just to memorize thirty kana by heart, all of which are Hiragana.

I heard that it should take way less... Am I just retarded?

this isn't Sup Forums you fucking faggot
go be an autist somewhere else

Everyone's pace is different, as long as you make progress and learn every day you'll get there eventually. If you feel you've got more drive and time then spend more time learning, else take your time.

It keeps increasing. Logarithmically if you're perfect. The proof is left for the studious reader.

Your belief is proof of your poor ability.
You can not communicate with native Japanese ever
知ったかぶりはよせ
見ていて恥ずかしい