Are we about to live the 80's again? can we expect some sweet sweet left wing music like the hardcore punk explosion?

are we about to live the 80's again? can we expect some sweet sweet left wing music like the hardcore punk explosion?

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lol this is the 500th post i've seen about this on Sup Forums this morning

Tfw the communist avant garde will rise again

We'll get a bunch of whiny Amanda Palmer type shit, modern leftist artists are all umbrage and no rage.

Ministry will finally release good albums again!

>Modern leftist
But now the working class will get disillusioned by the right and will finally get class conscious

>mfw involved with local punk scene
>9/10 bands dont want to get political

I will learn a fucking instrument if have to to put out some shitty rage fueled music

good lad

Well lets hope the accelerationists were right, and we can bring in an age of full communism.

I want communism to be cool again so badly.

Anyone wanna make some plunderphonic post-internet dada shit with me?

As a member of the first vegangaze band, I can only say yes.

nah, when the right fails, working class blame minorities, never powerful ppl in charge. working class are hopelessly stupid.

They aren't necessarily stupid. When you are not intelligent, always working, and worrying about your own problems you're prone to misinformation. If for instance capitalism is showing its flaws, and you can choose between liberal capitalism or conservative capitalism, you won't question the capitalism part.

Anyway, I'm glad Trump won. I think he'll be worse for America than Hillary, but Hillary would've been worse for the rest of the world.

punk music from the 80s is nothing.

post-punk and new wave is where it's at, but that shit never really went away

Tfw you've been in a politically charged hardcore band for 9 years and only recently did your local scene crack the code that your lyrics actually advocated for a market economy and a weakening of the individual as opposed to the societal role you inevitably play a part in

We just got social media presence like the other day
Our new ep comes out late december

The best post punk bands were from late 70s/early 80s though. They were also left wingers (this heat, gang of four, wire, pop group)

Best punk bands were dc hardcore tho etc are you talking about
Dag nasty? C'mon who can argue with that

>Best post punk bands

left accelerationists are a joke

That title belongs to pavement then

this desu

When you can choose between more neoliberalism or conservatism I'd rather go with the accelerationist option.

You're goddamn right we can. My bass is gonna be on fucking fire for the next four years.
[spoiler]Or at least it would be if anyone cared about the bass[/spoiler]

Nah, the uneducated working class was the group that voted for Trump now.

Communism is definitely not happening. The only hope for communism is China in the long term future or just wait a few hundred of years when we live in a technological utopia.

>Nah, the uneducated working class was the group that voted for Trump now.
So it's only a matter of time they'll realise voting is against their own interest

get the fuck out of here you fucking 15 year old /daily/ browsers

then embrace right accelerationism

>tfw uneducated working class who voted for Trump in PA

I seriously hate these fucking rednecks.

if only the city wasn't full of libtards and niggers.

A large portion of university educated people also voted for him if you look at the exit poll stats.

Nobody buys into that commie propaganda anymore, so no. Voting for the average Republican "could" have been against their interests, but not with Trump.

Yes, but the demographic of punk changed here. The working class is the one supporting Trump, they are happy with this change, unlike what happened during the 80s (at least, superficially speaking, since I would argue what happened during the 80s was the best for everyone).

>Hillary would've been worse for the rest of the world.

Trump will fuck up climate and cancel the efforts made for the best part of 30 years.

What are they going to sing about? how they wanted everything to be pro-establishment?

>Commie propaganda
So you don't acknowledge there's a conflict between the working class and ruling class? Voting for either Trump or Hillary is against the workers' interest. The only way to get the working class to vote against themselves is to hide the actual economic background and turn them against their own (white working class against black working class)

Yeah, because gun control, welfare, and the war on white men is a smart, sensible way of viewing the world.

t. disillusioned liberal

No, there isn't. Or at least, the supposed answer to this conflict only makes things worse.
What do you think is in their own interest?
Also, this hasn't much to do with race as you just mention, but globalization, which affects the american working class the most, for their jobs get replaced by immigrants or taken overseas. I'm pretty sure they would be happier with bigger wages and more jobs than the contrary (of course, that's assuming Trump's plan goes as planned).
Communism/Socialism is dead.

make glam metal great again

That would be really cool. This era is so bland and boring it needs to be shaken up a little.

With a pro LGBQT message to contrast the awful 80s machismo shit.

Hell yeah

It's against their interest because capitalism only serves those in power. If they get a job they'll still be exploited by their boss. I obviously do hope there will be more jobs, because they need money to survive. If they have a job but still no money to survive, nothing has changed. I'd be happy if things get better, but I'm certain they won't.

Socialism died when neoliberalism took over, which is now on its deathbed.

>Tfw le ebin orange frogman will be the next president
Music for this feel?
youtube.com/watch?v=iey0VOhxV2Y

Literally the best time for punk. I'm not saying that punk before or since was bad, but in the 80s you had the following bands at their prime:

Bad Brains
Descendents
Adolescents
Minor Threat
Operation Ivy
Black Flag
Dead Kennedys
Bad Religion.

There was a lot of interesting stuff going on beyond lyrics or whatever, Op Ivy pioneering ska punk, Bad Brains doing cool weird fusion-y shit with punk and reggae, Dead Kennedys surfy stuff and, probably most importantly, Brett Guerwitz opening Epitaph.

>millennial SJWs
>good music

yeah

nah

>vegangaze
Lost my shit

do you really think that's what class conscious means?

Capitalism benefits the people in power the most, but it benefits everybody at the end of the day. The alternative, socialism/communism, doesn't benefit either the people in power nor the working class.
If they get a job, they have a guaranteed paycheck. They aren't necessarily exploited. Actually, I would argue they are not being exploited with some arguable exceptions in developed nations and their natural resources.
Currently in the US if you have a legal job you have enough money to survive. Period.
I don't have much faith in Trump, I think they will get worse (although not dramatically so), but to claim the reaction to this should be a revolution is brain dead retarded.
Neoliberalism grew for the best, we are all better off because of it in the long run. Socialism (the real kind, not social democracy) never worked despite there having over 50 attempts ending in massive corruption, starvation, power abuse, and the like. It's not a coincidence.

>implying SJWs wont get BTFO by the communist wave

I expect a lot of music that people who are left wing will love but the artists are actually right wing

I know this is not going to happen, but I'm gonna hope anyway.

Hopefully once he actually has to look at facts rather than just saying what will get him elected his climate change stance will switch.

Come on, dude, you didn't even google search communism did ya?

hopefully, left needs more good music

Socialism has worked, but most of the time only for a short period. Catalonia until it got fucked up by Franco. Some republics in eastern Europe until it got fucked up by the Soviet union. It worked relatively well in Yugoslavia and Chile, though not strictly socialist. Also, it was mostly implemented in underdeveloped shitholes like Russia, Burkina Faso, Cambodia (PRK, not Khmer rouge) etc, and those countries all benefited from socialism.
The left has to admit it failed during the 20th century, fascism and capitalism won, though there were successes.

it will. there will be a new wave of punk, it will be heavily influenced by heavy crust punk and lighter NWOBHM

>Neoliberalism grew for the best, we are all better off because of it in the long run. Socialism (the real kind, not social democracy) never worked despite there having over 50 attempts ending in massive corruption, starvation, power abuse, and the like. It's not a coincidence.
w e w

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>starvation

I wouldn't consider that to work. I mean, sorry for saying this, but Thatcher's quote on Socialism is pretty much true for what you are saying. Socialism works until the people run out of money.
I don't know much about the cases you mention, but I would take a bet you saw this from a leftypol flash. Am I wrong? I'm saying this because you claim it worked in Chile, and that's one of the biggest lies ever. I'm chilean myself and I know socialism over there was do disastrous that people were ready to go for a civil war, and this was further evidenced by three coup attempts and more planned and Cuba sneaking weapons into Chile (including the one Allende used to kill himself). And let's not even mention the economic facts such as 600% inflation, HUGE debts increase (despite the Soviet Union paying one forth of it + food and machinery), real wages going down to a THIRD of their original values (Pinochet increased real wages by 200% despite the 74-75 recession just before the Latin American debt crisis got into Chile), shortages of food a la Venezuela, etc.
None of those countries benefited from socialism. They all are doing worse than their non communist neighbors because of it. And I really do mean all.
Fascism didn't win, wtf
The only thing I would remotely consider a success are catalonia and that other anarchist fee state or something that got blown out by the soviets. They didn't last much though, so again, it's difficult to determine if they would have worked. My bet is no. Even if they worked (meaning, remain stable), that doesn't ensure its better than capitalism.

No we're just going to get an influx of garbage by shitty tumblr tier bands

It's going to be the 60s but more annoying and preachy

if you're going to complain about someone who's already in charge

well, then leave

Stupid meme.

I don't know about you, but comparing a starvation in a pre industrial society with starvation caused a hundred years after the industrial revolution when starvation was only a thing in Africa, communist countries, and Ireland is pretty stupid.

>I wouldn't consider that to work. I mean, sorry for saying this, but Thatcher's quote on Socialism is pretty much true for what you are saying. Socialism works until the people run out of money.
Could you do me a favor and describe what you think socialism means?

People's ownership of the blablabla and the erradication of private but not personal property and whatever you want throw in this time.

>People's ownership of the blablabla and the erradication of private but not personal property and whatever you want throw in this time.
wew top tier description lad sure convinced me with those hot opinons

go read lenin and shut the fuck up

Am I wrong?
Lenin was a hack.

What a top tier cunt

Are we talking about the same person ? Get real dude.

Remember all those shitty "lol bush is bad >:(" records from the 00's like Ministry, Anti-Flag and Green Day and shit?

well that's what you're getting again

enjoy user

Of the blablabla. Instead of working for their boss they'd be their own boss. Your Thatcher quote is stupid, you wouldn't run out of money because the money you make is from your own labour, instead of just a small part of it. Thatcher probably thought welfare = socialism.

Like le tigre?

Yes, I'm aware of that. However, making the transition to real socialism isn't free, and that's why you run out of money. We have already seen this in the past (like I said before, Chile, which is a case I know well enough). This is one of the big problems of socialism that's it's not even possible to achieve, because you run out of money (among other things). Now, if you were to manage to implement real socialism, that doesn't mean you win either. It could still fail again through an economic crisis, or it could simple offer worse living conditions then people living under capitalism.
Maybe Thatcher though that Socialism was welfare with that quote, but it happens to apply to real socialism as well.

Not happening.

The 10's version of those will be ironically shitty "avant-pop" groups like Grimes and PC Music.

fuck yeah

no thats fuckin gay

There's a dozen threads on Sup Forums about this, we're obviously all thinking the same thing.

Stop talking about it and do it. Flip through your ideological booklet of choice, pick a random word, and name your new band after it. Whatever you put out I'll listen to.

Just fucking do it.

thats why donatello used them to get into office desu

There has never been a good political band/album. Mixing political messages with music literally never works out well.

Prove me wrong.

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>Currently in the US if you have a legal job you have enough money to survive. Period.
citation needed

Bob Dylan's best albums were the ones that weren't political.

the only good album there is Yeti and since it's entirely instrumental I'm not sure how it's political

PUNK WILL BE GLORIOUS AGAIN

not really, unlike Bush, Trump has no strong convictions and doesn't even know what he believes in apart from $$$.

Trump isnt actually going to do anything that will oppress people. At most, he will make gay marriage and other social issues up to the states again. Relax

A man can dream, r-right?

>At most, he will make gay marriage and other social issues up to the states again
naaah he supports homos

He supports the community, but he has directly spoken about how he thinks nationwide legalization was bad and how it should have been left to the states.

He can't change the Supreme Court decision, even if he wanted to (he doesn't). I don't think the Supreme Court is likely to go back on old decisions, desu

>He supports the community
that's gay

Yep. All the lgbt people freaking out today need to cool their jets. They're fine

t. Nu-male hetero fag

he seems pretty adamant on his pro-life stance, he could easily oppress women in that regard

a homophobic nu-male
the ultimate enemy of alt-right

No, leftist back then (like the Dead Kennedys for example) actually had a sense of humor. Today's left would just write songs about Trump checking his privilege

>oppress women
How about the lives that their taking inside their bellies?

Go away nerd

more like youtube.com/watch?v=Y1kdDd2jMdY
morrissey is probably celebrating right now tbf

>Today's left would just write songs about Trump checking his privilege
the same expensive anonymous black producers will write songs for both sides

Pistols

Well, we already have Sum 41 and Blink 182 making a comeback. They sure aren't hardcore punk, but if those angsty pop punk bands are making a comeback after about 10 year of doing nothing, that should be telling you something.

Johnny Rebel