What is needed to make Latin America descent by European standards?

What is needed to make Latin America descent by European standards?
What made the gap of economic growth between S.Korea, Germany, Japan and Latin America?

Japan and S.Korea weren't any richer than some Latin American countries before WW2, and, both and Germany suffered from destructive wars. so I'm really curious what was the difference.

no offence to Latinos.

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it will never happen because USA will not let them

Hopefully the Donald will install some far right dictatorships in Latin America

That should fix everything

>What made the gap of economic growth between S.Korea, Germany, Japan and Latin America?
you bastards were american bases for the war against communism

así cualquiera

Geography is fucked up, at least here

in our case is overthrow our commie ass government and completely reform the country

the only thing fucked up about our geography is that we're too far away from the action, too irrelevant

more helicopters

Stop communism and corruption, that's literally all we need

I never understood why you guys aren't just one big country. I mean hell you all speak the same language (except Brazil). Why make so many countries out of spanish colonies?

That's the same question I have for Ex-Yugoslavian countries.

>I'm really curious what was the difference.

Focus on producing value added products using high tech skills

Well, what could go wrong?

Was being american bases that beneficial?
also Japan and Germany lost fucktons of money, lives, factories by WW2.

The US didn't stay here to develop after invading. They did in Germany, Japan and South Korea as to prevent you guys from chimping out again because they learned their lesson with Germany after WW1.

Yes. But the U.S. likes us to be dependant of them.

but Japan and Germany lost fucktons of money, lives, factories by WW2 at the same time.
Does it really worth being totally destroyed by wars?

I reckoned you might ask me that. While I have to agree, it's in our mentality to hate each other. We tried and it didn't work out. Not to mention, 2 out 6 republics spoke different languages.

Yes, that's very beneficial.

How much money did Americans give to Japan after WWII?

your economy sky rocketed thanks to the US literally giving you a shit ton of money and infrastrucutre.

latinamericans weren't that lucky since they had a communist-like ideologie back then

[citation needed]

again I have no intention to offend Latinos.

And after you lost fucktons of money, lives, factories, etc. the US stayed there to develop and pump money into you.

Was it worth it? No, but you didn't stay in the mud because they took you out of it trying to prevent another dictator to rise and claim that the allies were evel. Basically, they were trying to prevent another war.

The parts in Germany that were given to the Soviet Union didn't do so well until the Soviet Union fall, now did they. And North Korea is one of the biggest shitholes in the world. Guess what they have in common: the US didn't help them out of the mud, unlike you.

who sauces in Sup Forums?

Exactly, why work when you can just blame America for all your problems? That's what the Venezuelans are doing and it works fine!

The US would like nothing more than for Latin America to be a bunch of good capitalists who don't smuggle drugs into our country. If Latin America could become Europe 2.0, everyone in America would be really happy.

>back then

It is shit because the people make it shit.

I don't get the question but S.Korea, Germany, Japan are puppet states of the burgers. Their interventionism and capitalist policies in general boost the development and economy of these countries.

>The US didn't stay here to develop after invading.

That's kind of a different situation, though. The US didn't do anywhere near as much damage to Mexican infrastructure and cities in 1846 as we did to Germany and Japan in 1941-45.

The drug industry has nothing to do with political ideology of a country. Drugs get in your country because you and euros buy them so much.

but they have communism in common too.

I know USA did a lot for us but is that the major reason Latin America is not developed?

They aren't. They tolerate our military presence because it benefits them. If they wanted us gone, we'd be gone. Just look at France, they got all bitchy and told our troops to leave, and that's exactly what we did. Germany/Japan/SK have more money and resources to focus on their own economies if the USA is subsidizing their defense. Not to mention that the US gives those countries preferential treatment when it comes to trade, giving them easy access to our markets so they can sell their shit. Just look at the most popular car brands in America: Toyota (Japan), Hyundai (SK), Volkswagen (Germany).

According to the post-WW2 treaties you own them until 2099. The frogs were with the allies so they aren't losers.

No, but we still were at war until 1929. Whether it was against Spain, France, Spain again, the US, France again, conservatives, dictators, the revolution, the US again or against catholic fanatics, we were in constant war for more than 100 years (between 1810-1929). And nobody help us out after it.

We were at war for more than 100 years and nobody help us out, on the contrary. They took our land, our money and put dicator in charge of all.

Cheap cocaine. It is what makes americans and europeans workaholics.

pretty much. the USA couldn't dare giving money to countries self proclaimed ''socialist''(AKA latins) they had to put dictators on various countries to destroy commies (but they failed lol) at the end of the cold war most of those countries went capitalist but at that moment of time the US didn't want to send money anymore.

so basicly they went capies at the wrong time at the wrong moment.

Oh, and there was also communism here as well. The Cold war was ver hot here, in some parts of Asia, and Africa.

There's many differences between them you meme

>According to the post-WW2 treaties you own them until 2099

Lol, this meme. Find me a source that isn't conspiracy bullshit. And that would only apply to Germany anyway. Even if you take websites like "pravda report" seriously, then Japan and SK are still free to tell us to fuck off whenever they want. But they choose not to, because the Yoshida Doctrine and whatever its SK equivalent is just works for them.

It worked with Chile.

Japan and Germany were already ahead of Latin America before World War II started, and North Korea and East Germany had pretty much the same development as their capitalist counterparts for much of the Cold War

pain and suffering.
we are too comfy, WAY too comfy.

lots and lots of natural resources for a tiny ass population gives margin for a lot of corruption. we need serious natural disasters and war. hard times create strong men, and strong, moral men is what we need right now.

and surprise, chile with aregentina, are the least shitty countries in south america.

And we were at war between 1810-1929. I am writing all of that because he is asking why they weren't shitholes after WW2, and I gave him an answer: the US help them out.

A lot of the larger latino countries racked up an absurd level of foreign debt in the 70s, using loans from American banks and oil revenue to help fund their development. It reached an unsustainable level in the 1980s, and the development basically stopped and everything went to shit.

and got it all back. even lives, what is baby boom?
feels good being US colony, doesn't it? except for the censored porn

And surprise they did the same in pretty much all of Central America and they are doing the worst out of all of us.

>hard times create strong men, and strong, moral men is what we need right now.

Didn't Argentina have "strong, moral men" running the show from like 1920 to 1985? Why on earth would you want to go back to that?

>why you guys aren't just one big country
Maybe you don't realize how big this continent is.
Is like having a Russia 2.0 but spanish speaking.

nobody talks about central americans...


they do not exist.

>to help fund their parties with coke and women*
fixed it for you
motherfucking banana politicians

>the USA couldn't dare giving money to countries self proclaimed ''socialist''(AKA latins)

The USA gave a ton of money to the self-proclaimed "socialist" government of Mexico though. The issue with the US government wasn't really that they were calling themselves left-wing, it was the fear that they would become soviet-aligned left-wing. That's why Mexico was basically left to its own devices.

We really should have had some kind of Latin American Marshall Plan, though. It was a massive missed opportunity.

i was talking about the population in general, not about dictators and populist con-men

there was no need to fund it, because USA wasn't at war with Africa or Oceania then, only with Asia

I found a statistics showing Japan's economic growth, it seems Japan before WW2 grew as much as after WW2 but not stable.

guys, let's focus on Latin America's problems too, not only the reason of the success of us.

We have to start making anime.

i could agree, but unlike europeans and the japs, americans presurised pretty bad with the mexicans on the loans.

it was really the idea of the mexican gov to take money from the US but they didn't really wanted to give the money like they did with the japs back in WWII

And still the USA no moneys to Spain, Spain had the same GDP per capita as Mexico and like countries like South Korea, Singapore, Taiwan and Portugal they are now better off than most of Latin America

>guys, let's focus on Latin America
yeah, the answer you're looking for is "because brown people are inferior"
nah mate the real non-meme answer is: it's a mix of everything

you're already on it, right?
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The issue imo lies with Spanish colonial culture. Notice how the wealthiest ex-colonial countries are all former British colonies (USA, Canada, Australia, NZ, Singapore, Malaysia, Hong Kong, etc.)?

The whole obsession with caudillos, and a limited tradition of self-government prior to independence basically put the latino countries in a really bad position right from the start. The Spaniards recognized this and tried to fix it with the Bourbon reforms, but they didn't really work.

This.

It was really lucky not to be a Soviet's colony.

>1948-1952
>1952

kek

The US and Spain signed a treaty in 1953 (Pact of Madrid), and the US gave Spain about $3 billion in aid over the next 10 years.

You already do
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Same reason the US and Canada are different countries.

the US just gave you just enough money so your economy could stay competent (so they could gain trust and make bases around) of course, the fact that your people decided to innovate on the car/entertainement/tech industry was a key element

kek the fuck is that mang? mayasenpai

The South Americans did try as well.

Everyone kind of ignores the fact that Japan modernized itself by creating an authortarian pseudo-capitalist government.

Literally maybe the only time in the world we've seen a resource scarce country independently become a dominant economic power and everyone kind of ignores this likely because the architects of it weren't Western European or Jewish.

you were fucking close. if not for the nukes, the sovs would have annihilated you with infantry before the americans

Plus the proto-EU propped the country as well

>Literally maybe the only time in the world we've seen a resource scarce country independently become a dominant economic power and everyone kind of ignores this likely because the architects of it weren't Western European or Jewish.
>everyone kind of ignores it

No they don't, everyone fellates the Imperial Japanese government for the Meiji Restoration. And they had a lot of advantages to start with, like a surprisingly advanced economy and a decent amount of silver.

burn that shit japanese animu weeb fire

This also happened with South Korea, and we could say is happening with Singapore but they are more a meritocracy now

Nah, the Soviets would have never even reached Honshu. If you look at how long it took them to conquer the Kurils+Sakhalin, along with the limited capacity of their navy and the ridiculous terrain of Hokkaido, Japan would have surrendered to the US long before the Soviets got to the islands of Japan that actually have a lot of people.

HORUHORUHORUHORU

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for one thing, historically the US doesn't want a strong rival in the same continent and has meddled in their affairs a lot to fuck up them. anyway, you can't compare japan and germany with them in terms of post war economic development because japan and germany were great powers that had industrial/economic/technological foundation to build war-machines to cause even world wars in the first place. both countries' rapid post war development was done by diverting those national power to civilian enterprise, and korea was japan's primary colony that could benefit from japan pretty much. south/latin americas weren't in such a position.

We're fucked up. It's in our mentality, inside our culture. In and Out. Latin America will never be great.

but they couldn't create industries without money
they are important of course, but american money IS the base of the post war jap economy

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1. Send communist to concentration camps
2. Get rid of socialism
3. Instill a Protestant work ethic
4. Invest in heavy rail/interstate systems.
5. Lower corruption levels.

These are all pretty easy things to do. I don't know why Latin America (Chile is high HDI and exempt) hasn't done it yet.

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yep. the bombs were dickwaving (also so the whole project wouldn't be a waste of taxfunds)

>yeah, the answer you're looking for is "because brown people are inferior"
no, it isn't.
but I got kinda irritated because most mention only how USA did good for us,and not Latin American's problems.
take it easy, guys

because no political party wants to do it

This and start exporting anime.

because we are third worlders, we didn't take sides on the beggining of the cold war so we didnt have US investments to "rebuild" our economy out of fear of communist take over. Later on the cold war, we did get disputed by the 2 super powers but there was no interest in developing economies, there were interested in just securing influence.

Yeah that's the problem, Mexicans lack work ethic.


>Lower corruption levels.

>These are all pretty easy things to do

>Being this retarded.

>work ethic
Cuck detected.

Latin America will never be powerful until Europe falls, because their governments and cultures were design to extract wealth from them and send it to Europe.

>the bombs were dickwaving

More like mercy. The guy in charge of our air force's regular operations was a psycho named Curtis LeMay. His plan was to bomb all the rail lines connecting Japanese cities to the major agricultural regions and to each other, and basically starve the whole country to death. Millions of people would have died.

The President listened to him and said "no, fuck that, let's just drop the nukes".

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2bh more people died by the fires from the incendiary bombs than by the nukes. you can thank that to the semi-botching of Nagasaki drop tho
nukes are just plain scary

B-But user, how ill your employer plow his wife in a 5 star hotel in Paris if you don't work hard?

not really. japan didn't get reconstruction funds to begin with. on the contrary japan even paid occupation cost, which accounted for like one thirds of national budget.

He's being sarcastic. Every American knows that Mexicans are hardworking. Your people travel through cities that are basically warzones, cross a desert, then voluntarily live in shitty places like New Mexico, Arizona, and California, where you work as dishwashers and landscapers. Lazy people don't do that, they stay home and sell drugs.

the important thing about the US and the latins (love you guys) are 2 things:

-lat countries were in general unstable by ideologies

-we shared the same continent

the US didn't want a superpower on his continent AND the fact that commies radiated everywhere in latinamerca made the US very hesitant to give money to them. and if he did, he would always pressurise the loans (which could cause economic instability if your money could be gone in a flash)

you guys were lucky because:

-the US wanted allies in asia

-your country was VERY afraid of commies

100% agree.

That dude's statement was so absurd.

They just need work ethic to be successful, you know, like the Spanish, the Italians, or the Portuguese

>white people really believe this.

>the US didn't want a superpower on his continent AND the fact that commies radiated everywhere in latinamerca made the US very hesitant to give money to them

The possibility of a latin american superpower flew out the window long before WWII even started. Economic instability in Latin America was the last thing anyone in the US government wanted, because it was a surefire way to get communist revolutions.

I love how Latin America is the US's fault somehow and not Europe.