Cowards

Cowards

I don't know exactly where it all went wrong.
I'm disappointed in my nation.

Not sure what your getting at. It's not like we're leaving our allies to the fucking Nazis, we're leaving the EU but are still in NATO and the U.N. When Germany decides it's time to remove the kebab we'll help them out.

Europe was fucked, it was in the shit and needed everyone to band together, which we did

now we're chickening out becauase it's getting difficult

It's not fucking british

So we're supposed to continue propping up a failing Union out of principal? I hate this 'We're Britain, we're not quitters!' rhetoric the Remain side are spouting. You're allowed to leave a bad relationship after 40 years.

Fine, so we leave, then we have to wait 2 years (article 50) before we find out how fucked we are

Leave it for what? I'll trust what we have over anything Boris, Nigel and Gove can negotiate, they'll have us fucked over by Europe and turned into the rest of the world's bitch. They can't even get their figures straight on an established number, useless cunts.

It's not like we'll have to sit around for 2 years twiddling our thumbs. We'll make our deals and prepare. Not saying it'll all be smooth sailing but this isnt for the present, it's for the future.

So the sole reason you dont want to leave is you dont like our current political establishment? What happens in ten years or so when a PM and House you DO like is handcuffed by the EU?

Your under the impression we have already left the EU. My political sauces tell me we will stay in the EU, however it will be very close but never the less the news papers are wrong, most of them belong to Rupert Murdock and can't be trusted. Don't buy into the hype.

>We'll make our deals and prepare

We can't. We aren't allowed. While the negotiations are going on we WILL have to sit twiddling our thumbs while our fate is decided. We will be in a 2-year limbo, unable to talk to anyone, because the people we would want to tall to will have no knowledge of what state we're going to be in when the two years are up?

Also, who the fuck wants to trade with a country that just runs away from their problems?

Time to go. Leave the abusive relationship. The house of cards will tumble soon enough.

You can't even spell Sources.

The Sun backing the leave campaign more or less secured the remain win. They backed labour in the last election, If I recall.

"I once asked Rupert Murdoch why he was so opposed to the European Union. 'That’s easy,' he replied. 'When I go into Downing Street they do what I say; when I go to Brussels they take no notice.'

>Also, who the fuck wants to trade with a country that just runs away from their problems?
What on earth are you talking about? This is high school. China isnt going to resist going steady with us because we didnt go to the dance with Europe. Jesus.

>China

stop talking

isn't high school*

Of course not, I'm very much pro European, think it's because I'm northern Irish so more socialist at heart.

I don't want to see further privatisation of our public services and believe it would be economic suicide. Alongside that have you actually looked at the exit criteria, there is no way on earth we are going to get any of what is being touted by the Brexit crowd, how would it be in their interests to let us get out easy? And I don't believe the trade deficit argument it's minimal at best and in fact works the other way when you bring the service sector into the debate. (Something specifically excluded from the EU's trade agreement with Canada).

Have you looked at how China deals with other countries? Look at their decision to Apple today for an example. It's 100% on china's terms or get fucked.

Fuck the EU. Vote Leave!!!!

Immigration is stretching our public services to breaking point.

N.I is 98% white British, of course you dont see the problem with remaining.

You know what I hate most about this? That it's a referendum. That Cameron is such a weak leader who can't hold his fucking party together he's just gone "oh well, let the people decide" as if we're supposed to know the consequences of Britain suddenly severing all it's trade deals. What the fuck do we pay politicians for if not this?

Quite possibly but throwing our toys out of the pram in a his system fit then trying to renegotiate with our ex partners after leaving will not end well for us. They won't let us off easy and if they were feeling vindictive they could scupper alot of our deals with other nations.

America, China and India care only about #1

>white British

I think you'll find there's some dispute about that...

I live in Birmingham, have done for the last 10 years, your move.

This thread isnt about Eire.

don't worry, I'm voting Remain and so are all my friends and family.

I'll probably just move to N.I where all the white Brits are tbh.

Didn't say it was. I said there is some dispute about if the people in Northern Ireland are British or not.

>he's just gone
No, he hasn't. Farage has been banging on about a referendum for years, and after their slightly positive showing at the last GE, as well as some badgering from some of his own party, he decided to relent and hold one. It was supposed to be nexy year, but was brought forward

> What the fuck do we pay politicians for if not this?

Abso-fucking-lutely, and Richard Dawkins agrees with you. This is not a decision that should be made by the public, we simply aren't qualified or educated enough to make this decision

It's not though, that's a red herring that has been thrown out there.

1. EU migrants are net contributors
2. EU migrants are predominantly Young with low levels of dependents
3. Immigration is a by product of a growing economy, it's always been that way you need workers to feed the economy.

Literally the worst of both countries. Think Macclesfield or Rhyl but the chavs ride horses for some reason.

Kek

yep, Cameron is a fucking moron for making that election promise. The Tories are so shit, it's just a shame Labour are even shitter at the moment with Jeremy "Just Let Me Go Back To The 70s" Corbyn and his fantastic band of SJW Feminazis.

trips speak the truth.

Migrants generally put more money into our economy than they get out

Wouldn't recommend it, they're highly reliant on EU funding (although the dumb cunts don't realise it). They also have a much larger public sector employment ratio than the rest of the UK around 25%

Basically. The native British are a rapidly aging population, the economy needs workers.

My mum works at a primary school. 15 years ago when she started there was 2 classes per yer. Now there's 5. There arent enough primary and secondary schools to keep up with the flow. Try living in London and getting a GP appointment in the next 2 weeks.

>implying the UK doesn't only look out for #1.

He wanted to steal votes from UKIP from single issue voters. It worked but now he has to deliver, and he's facing a split in his own party over it. Useless shitbag.

>globalist socialist scum invoking the dead of WW2

This is all gonna lead to PM Boris. God help us all.

Agreed, I've heard so many arguments for and against. Surely this is exactly what the politicians should be weighing up and deciding on our behalf. Teflon shouldered cunts.

yeah. Even though I think immigration has been too high in recent years (any Leicester anons, ever taken a walk down Sparkenhoe Street or Evington Lane? Shit's ridiculous) it's moronic to think that leaving the EU will magically halt immigration - besides, it's migration from outside the EU we need to worry about. I'm fine with Poles and Latvians coming here to do jobs our young people won't do - what I'm more worried about is the Somalis, Pakistanis and Eritreans coming, having shitloads of kids and not participating in our national life.

Imagine a Trump/Boris summit. And they fucking hate each other...

because the GP wages are so shit. All our GPs fuck off to Australia or America once they're qualified, because the pay is almost double

Want to kick out the immigrants? Try quadrupling that waiting time

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No one is saying we should kick immigrants out (at least no one with any sense)

You realise most of the dead in ww2 were socialists?

Try not voting fucking Tory if you want improvement in your public services. They've ran them ragged, ask your mum about budgets and ever increasing targets for teachers.

Both my wife and I are higher end tax payers and get private health care through our companies have 0 dependents so do alright, however I would never vote Tory as that isn't the type of society I want to live in.

Yeah got to give it to the Poles they work hard and dont complain. One's I've met have been good lads too. Some of the women arent bad either so that automatically puts them light years ahead of Somalians.

I fucking know right. I can't believe how gullible the British people are that they cynically dismiss independent analysis but lap up the right-wing shit of the Daily Mail and The Sun.

EU should just disappear.
Everyone hates it.
It's just a mafia now.
A lot of people are ready to vote for whoever propose to leave this mess.

THAT'S THE POINT

You're one of the ones who have thought it through, but the vast majority of Brixiteers have been spoon-fed this xenophobic bullshit that all foreigners are a detriment to our socity and they're all going to be kicked out

i work in a builder's yard, you should hear the shit this lot comes out with

You can try not voting Tory in southern England but don't expect it to do anything.

Of course but we would be going to them cap in hand not them to us. I work alot in these countries they honestly don't care about us beyond the chinese women like barberry. (Although I think that's technically chinese now).

Brother. Ashford boy here. Voting means shit around here, they might as well be pre-crossed

Well, he does know the common man...

Not the kind that invites muhammed into his home to grope his daughter and tell him to convert or die.

I've heard this exact sentence said:
>"We don't need Europe for trade, we've got America."
That man is allowed a vote.

Just tea and biscuits on the first visit. We're British after all.

fucking this, I work in the NHS - the nurses in my ward aren't allowed to order new chairs to replace their broken ones because the Accounts department won't approve the expenditure - at the same time as the Tories flog off contracts to bullshit "service partners" like Interserve, Serco and G4S, who only hire morons and illiterate fresh-off-the-boaties so they can justify paying them such shit wages.

>"you can't even spell sources"
>because he spelled it "sauces"
>2016.5
>not knowing what sauce is
I'm an Americunt, and you're a Newfag

The thing people forget is that eastern Europeans are generally how we are with Oz it's a bit of fun to go work for a couple of years but they've no intention of settling long term (although inevitably some always do). Migrants from outside the EU are here to stay and they generally have more dependents and are more savvy around benefits.

Honestly I'll just be glad when this shit show is over. I've shut out so many friends and family members on both sides who just talk bollocks. Gonna get drunk for a week after the vote regardless of what happens and hopefully everyone will have shut the fuck up about it by the time I sober up.

I'm drinking already

But my facebook feed is sooo much lighter these days

Stay cucked, my friend

good plan - just be sure to vote Remain before you do.

Still need to vote man hopefully we will get PR once / if another party gets into power. Although can't see the SNP going for it

Preach man. At this rate the only feeds I'll be following will be dead people.

Jesus, have you saw the north American free trade agreement, makes ttip seem sensible.

Britain needs to vote to remain in the United States, they can't survive without us!

I blame the Romans for all of this.

If the fuckers had done their job right it wouldn't be an issue as we'd be all one big happy country, merrily shitting on the rest of the world

Yup. And not to mention Obama saying in plain English "We will trade with Europe before you."
It's that fucking creepy one-sided "special relationship" idea from the Iraq war that never went away.

Exactly both Boris and Gove are very pro NHS privatisation, they've published papers on it. It'll be gone within 2 years if we vote out.

If Trump were president he would support Britain leaving and trade with Britain before Eurocuck

No, not while they've got such a stranglehold on Scotland anyway. Used to be the same with Plaid.

No. Too long ago to know that.

That says more about Trump really doesn't it?

Again, it's a special relationship. Bit like the type of relationship an effiminate middle class white boy has with his cell mate.

That's he's loyal to his real allies?

The Scots are getting a bit sick of them mind you, it's the same broken record with no result.

fuck 'em both. I love how they claim the money we'd "save" by leaving the EU could be spent on the NHS - as if any of the Leave top brass give a shit about funding public services when they could just privatise it and laugh while the poor die in overcrowded unhygenic clinics that mortgage them to the hilt. The Tory party is dirtier today than at any time since Thatcher.

Not sure if any of his previous allies would say that

It's time to end this disastrous democratic experiment.

I fucking hope so, I'm sick of Scottish politicians acting like they've got the whole of the UK in a stranglehold when they only represent 1/13th of its population - which means that only 1/26th of the UK population actually voted for them. Our electoral system is fucking bollocks.

That he's a fucking moron who's only runs on base feelings and no idea what's good for his country. What tool would want America to trade with a single nation import-based economy with a strong currency OVER a continent-sized federated trading bloc. That has Germany in it.

You know what I don't think he is that stupid.

I'm sure you can speak from personal experience.

That doesn't really work. Try again.

I love how they bang on about £350m a weekand all they'd use it for, you realise that would fund our NHS for about 2 weeks. That's it!

The EU and NATO have worked out so well, huh?

From America's POV? yeah. A hell of a lot better than if they'd just relied on the UK at least.

>We can't. We aren't allowed.
This is hilarious because it's 100% wrong. It's the EU restricting trade with everyone else. Yes we are fucking allowed to make deals. The commonwealth have already decided they're with us. If remain want to keep spouting the "muh togetherness" bollocks then we'll be together with the countries we used to own, not scabby Europe.

Fuck NATO if there is one thing we should be getting out of its that. Fuckers are going to keep goading Russia and China until they start hurling nukes.

From our POV, we fund NATO. Without us, it wouldn't exist. Fuck y'all. Pay up or you don't deserve our protection. We're not your parents. Protect your own damn selves.

America is NATO. They really don't need anyone else.

>Britain gets so cucked that it has to withdrawal from the anal rapage of the EU to scramble for its own identity again even though nobody in the world cares about a used up whore anymore.

Thanks for the laughs though.

>tfw i'm american and have no idea what you silly faggots are on about

>From our POV, we fund NATO. Without us, it wouldn't exist. Fuck y'all. Pay up or you don't deserve our protection. We're not your parents. Protect your own damn selves.

See that's America's attitude, and frankly the reality. The UK is better swallowing it's pride and going with Europe. At least with Europe it can throw it's weight around a bit.