"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state...

"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed"
>thoughts Sup Forums?

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freedomoutpost.com/after-uk-gun-ban-knife-murders-skyrocket-uk-urges-save-a-life-surrender-your-knife/
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_gun_control_theory
nap.edu/read/18319/chapter/3
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For something to be well regulated, you need some control over it. Hence the need for some gun control you Americunts. So sick of hearing about shootings every fucking week and expected to feel sorry for your country and yet you never do anything about it.

Read federalist paper #29, The majority decision in US v Miller, and Justice Stevens dissent in Heller.

You don't understand the second amendment, or even what was meant by a well-regulated militia.

You don't understand the history of 2nd amendment jurisprudence.

Who expects you to feel sorry for us? Fuck yourself. I doubt anybody expects you to feel anything. I doubt any of us have ever thought about you.

control =/= regulation
you can try again, though

in order to buy a gun i have to obtain a FFL, get the money, go to a licensed dealer, make my purchase only after passing a background check and have to wait an arbitrary 3-10 day "cooling off period" before i even physically possess the weapon, then i need a separate permit to lawfully carry concealed or open depending on specific locality.

that seems pretty well regulated already and also infringing

>star wars wallpaper

>doesn't know what well-regulated means in the context

oh yeah tough guy, what is it that i don't understand?
>the federalist papers kek
the federalist papers aren't what the laws are based on are they buddy? nope we abide by the CONSTITUTION in the United States of America

you can try again, though

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Federalist_Papers

you really are the epitome of ignorance.

please don't breed.

These shootings are being constructed by some people in power just so they can take guns away.

i know what the federalist papers are you dumbass i am wondering why you are conflating them with the WRITTEN WORDS OF THE CONSTITUTION

only a slack jawed moron would do that to prove some kind of point. you can stop posting in my thread anytime

Well regulated. I don't mind hunting rifles but the assault rifle model 15 aka ar15 should only be used by military or police.

Well, you already know he doesn't read. So, there's hope user, there's hope.

i think you mean ARMALITE RIFLE - 15
you can fuck off now

also you nobody cares what you think is okay and not okay faggot

the federalist papers are not the constitution. you two can go suck each other off in another thread but it doesn't make you right in any semblance of the word

>>thoughts Sup Forums?
>you can stop posting in my thread anytime

Colt makes the ar15 so no, not armalite anything. Typical amerifat response.

Regulate: control by means of rules and regulations.

Look up in a dictionary faggot, also there's a bit about it being a militia, which is some sort of organized group, clearly your average citizens are not.

Clearly your media does, politicians reaching out to other countries, as well as many people online etc, don't act like your country doesn't like being the center of attention every fucking second. Being an allied country, we're expected to give a crap for some reason.

As for me, I don't expect anyone from the US to think about me or care, I certainly don't care if you do.

But they were written at the time, by some of the same people, and contain information vital to correctly interpreting the constitution.

But go ahead, keep swallowing the gun manufacturer casuistry that is the focus on the "shall not be infringed" language.

Just ignore the well-regulated militia part.

Just ignore the entire pre-Heller history of the second amendment.

Keep being territorial in an internet thread like the basement dweller you are.

no seriously, you can fuck off whenever
i know you are shitposting but i don't care
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AR-15
you are interpreting the constitution to fit your argument
it clearly has multiple ideas in the clause
>being necessary to a FREE STATE
>well regulated militias (anywhere from army to police to neighborhood watch)
>the right of THE PEOPLE TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS
oh did you miss that last part, sweet cheeks?

>you Americunts

EVERYONE SHUT THE FUCK UP

Drop the pedantic bullshit like arguing the meaning of the second amendment.

What matters is the statistics and the facts.

The fact is, increased gun control has never, in the history of the United States, reduced violent crime. Ever.

I'll say it again so you shit b8 bullshit fuckers can read it real good and maybe remember it:

INCREASED GUN CONTROL HAS NEVER, IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATES, REDUCED VIOLENT CRIME.

ANYWHERE.

EVER.

And I *implore* you to find me evidence that contradicts that fact. Pro tip: you fucking can't, because it doesn't exist.

Guns make us safer. That's a simple fact, it's been proven time and time again, and you literally have no facts, studies, statistics, peer-reviewed articles, or *anything* else to support your stupid view that guns should be more regulated. They shouldn't. If anything, gun ownership should be more highly encouraged among all law abiding citizens.

there aren't many basements in california and i am currently on the second floor
you can try again, though

Regulate: Ensuring the militia has updated weaponry on-par with what their government might have access to and being relatively trained

Militia: Any able bodied citizens able to join the militia AKA the people. I am part of the militia

ugh, your mother always thought you were a waste and you'll die alone.

>no seriously, you can fuck off whenever
that was literally my first post in the thread. just pointing out you can't ask for thoughts, then tell people to shut up.

I'm not shitposting, it's an assault rifle model 15. There is no reason you should own one. 2nd amendment says nothing about fully automatic machine guns.

OP asked Sup Forums a question, all I did was answer. Sup Forums is not just America :)

oh wow you screencapped a post for proofz!
upvoted

You missed the well organized militia part, which the people of your country are not.

>it's an assault rifle model 15

>trying this hard

There's your (you).

are you 12?

Didn't you just define the role of the National Guard?

If we ban and confiscate all guns there would be 0 gun crime. Really simple but I doubt someone from burgerstan will understand.

like washington's militia vs the british invaders right?
they were totally the same as the "regulated army" you know today

you can stop posting anytime
oh shit calling out age?!?! xD EXDEEE
upvoted

I want my guns to keep the fucking government and police off my fucking lawn.
>ferguson-fag
Without my gun I become a liability in my everyday life. I believe we need more classes to teach people about guns. Instead of people fearing them, we should instruct more people to use them as a tool or at least have a mandatory hunters safety for everyone at the age of 16.
Otherwise, come take my guns from my lead-ridden hands m80

Fair enough, tell me some issues you have in your country and I'll let you know how much no one in America gives a flying fuck

So...is Britain going to get cucked and raped to death after it votes to stay with the EU?

Do you just sit around and spout meme and non arguments all day? Not surprised to be honest, Amerifat.

>Didn't you just define the role of the National Guard?

No......I didn't. The national guard is a federal military asset, dipshit

>it's an assault rifle model 15.
>Armalite Rifle 15

Not even dubs can overcome your ignorance. Lrn2history

>Starts thread with 2nd amendment
>thoughts?
>Receives opinion and reference material that doesn't cohort with limited understanding
>FUCK OFF OUTTA MY THREAD FAGGITS

People like op have more to do with the Trump hate than Trump does.

Tin foil hat much?

The militia is well regulated.
The militia and the people are seperated and does not state the people need to be regulated. If they truly meant that then they would have simpily said "a well regulated militia and the people, ect".

They seperated those things with commas on purpose, good try though.

and are the "people" a military asset as well dipshit?
no? okay then the PEOPLE have the right to keep and bear arms

you tried.. and failed
it's time to close the browser and move along
not an argument
you are free to leave whenever. i asked for opinions it doesn't mean you won't get bashed if they are stupid. which they were

>0 gun crime
Yaaay! We did it guys! Guns don't exist anymore (just roll with it, this is hypothetical)

>suddenly knife, bat, brass knuckles, blunt force object crime increase to be worse than the gun crime it replaced
freedomoutpost.com/after-uk-gun-ban-knife-murders-skyrocket-uk-urges-save-a-life-surrender-your-knife/
AT LEAST WE AREN'T GETTING SHOT TO DEATH

Yeah I'd WAAAY rather be stabbed to death so I die as slowly and painfully as possible! And now I'm more likely to be stabbed to death than I was likely to be killed *at all* before the ban!

Good job yurop! You did it! You prevented all law abiding citizens from protecting themselves and now you're being assaulted at a rate 4-5x HIGHER than the US, while your murder rate hasn't changed at all! GO YOU!

Interesting how you all assume I'm from the UK. I couldn't give a shit about the EU crap going on. It's just fun to see you all get mad over this stupid shit.

but how will you stop the illegal guns that come from another country? are you some kind of actual mental retard? you realize there is no country in the fucking world with 0 guns, right?

are you actually stupid? i will feel bad if i am dissing a legit mentally handicapped kid

Nope, it's much easier to kill people with an assault rifle then a bat or knife or w.e (they should also be banned)

Didn't meant to crumple your tri-corner hat there, Patriot.

How did taking over that bird sanctuary in Oregon go for your Militia?

what exactly am i mad about? i love the 2nd amendment and all yall are just crying about it.. even you who aren't even american kek

why bother? is your own life and state's politics not as interesting as america's?

>Interesting how you all assume I'm from the UK
We really couldn't care less which shithole you live in.

It's pretty dull and non eventful here to be honest, just on here to be an asshole, I don't actually care. Thanks for the 5 mins of entertainment though.

Silly faggot, the Constitution originally applied ONLY to the federal government. States were free to ban the PEOPLE from owning arms, only the feds were forbidden by the Constitution

Tighten border security, tougher laws on people caught, maybe we can't get zero guns but the aim would be to get rid of them all.

What does 'the people' mean when it is used in the constitution?

Not a constitutional scholar? No surprise there. I'm not either, that's why I consulted the opinion of constitutional scholars. It refers to group action, always, not private action.

>Nope, it's much easier to kill people with an assault rifle then a bat or knife or w.e (they should also be banned)
You guys sure are trying to ban knives, but it turns out people need them for things like, oh I don't know, cooking?

But sure! I'm positive that if you completely banned and confiscated all knives, bats, brass knuckles, and anything else that could potentially be used to kill a person, you'd have no murders.

But you can't. So now you're stuck with a bunch of neutered law abiding citizens who can no longer defend themselves because of your fantasy land bullshit. Congratulations, you just put everyone in your country in more danger because you're a bunch of retarded fucking cucks.

This argument belongs on /k/ or Sup Forums. Shutting down thread.

That's a toy gun faggot

You win

/thread

We should ban knives, and scissors and sharp objects too!

That way only criminals could attain those. You realize guns arent going to vanish right? And they shouldent anyways because they are needed for self defense both foreign and domestic, from, common thugs, aggressive neighboring countries, and if our country becomes tyrannical.

Nazis took away the guns from the places they invaded before the actually, that worked out well for the innocents right?.

>okay then the PEOPLE have the right to keep and bear arms

That was my argument, moron. Militia is automatically seen as only the NatGuard, but it represents the people.

Ha wow that's old ass pasta right there I almost forgot that one

i am not here to entertain you.. there is tons of porn for that
>It refers to group action, always, not private action.
not according to decisions upheld by the SCOTUS
nice try, though
>but the aim would be to get rid of them all
there are more guns then people in america.. just in case you didn't know.
and no for a fact that isn't the aim except for some pussies like you and the overlords who don't want resistance from anyone who disagrees with them. how very fascist of you

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Not an argument.

Most states have a right to bear arms clause in their own constitutions.

Constitutional scholars on Sup Forums. Kek.

not an argument

>ad hom

Come back when you actually have a point to make, Ahmed.

AR15 sold to the general public license aren't fully automatic.

to own a full auto rifle in the US you have to have a special license, which costs around 2000 a year, and pretty much signs away your right to privacy, meaning you sign a waiver that police may inspect your home for the weapon and it's safe keeping whenever they feel they have reasonable cause too.

>overlords who don't want resistance from anyone who disagrees with them.
that sums up about 90% of your responses. just fyi

US vs Miller, 1939. Keep trying gun grabbers.

I'm okay with some gun control when it comes to trying to stop people who shouldn't have guns from getting guns. No gun bans though.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_gun_control_theory

Just completely divorced from reality, regurgitating false propaganda.

Knifes belong in a kitchen not on our streets, guns belong on a battlefield not on out streets, bats belong at the diamond not on our streets .

because i have the written law of 200 years on my side.. you have your worthless opinions from user #102129081

>not according to decisions upheld by the SCOTUS

Which ones?

Bane one before the partisan judicial activism that was .

Name one, before Heller*

>anti-gunfags in this thread

I believe in the current scotus opinion that it means private citizens have the right to own and carry weapons. Also before everyone gets butt blasted Obama had the CDC do a study(which they farmed out to the American Medical Institute so as not to violate their congressional order to not use federal funding to institute gun control). It was covered up and wiped from media and never reported in the MSM because it actually didn't fit the leftist agenda. It has, however, been posted here

nap.edu/read/18319/chapter/3

This is obamas gun study verbatim. I especially like the part about defensive firearms usage.

Melt them down into something useful, something that doesn't kill.

>tfw this nigger probably thinks it's easy to get an automatic gun

Let me guess you also think every hand gun is a glock as well?

This isn't true but you're hitting all around it

All semiautomatic rifles should be banned. There is no good reason to own one.

1) Ad hom back at you.
I responded that way because you called me a dipshit.


2) The point is that that "militia" couldn't get support from other militia's.
Ergo: Your militias AREN'T organized.

Hence - The National Guard is the regulated militia today.

why do i have to name one before that you stupid faggot there only need be one.. and it is nice and current for your stupid ass

also fuck a cactus
my fists can kill
should we melt those too?

would you be okay if all guns were gone but people still had swords as "arms" or would you be a pussy supreme about that too?

you know, something i just noticed. They dont say "guns" they say bear arms. Like, technically they could have just meant a sword and a shield.

So then please tell us the process to get an automatic gun.

It's easy to modify an ar15 into fully automatic so it should be banned. Semi auto should be banned too. Hunting rifles are fine.

Probably the funniest part is that I actually agree with you, but still think you sound like a raging faggot. But please, by all means continue. This is ridiculously amusing.

Bumping with the fact that a sword and shield will do just as well as any gun will vs a horde of drones. Gl fending off the military with your AR-15 chaps. Theyd shove a rocket in your urethra from 2000 miles away.

So ignorant. So wrong. Pathetic name calling and memery.

Go buy a woman.

One does not have to demonstrate a need to utilize a right

semiautomatic guns have been around since the early 1900s
you are dumb and think because a rifle is black, big, or scary then it is worse then a "hunting rifle"

the only difference is your own ignorance on the mechanics of guns

this is true. I own an AR15 and was contacted by the feds asking if I would like a license to own an auto rifle. i have my cc as well.

so yeah, you're fucking retarded.

I wouldn't be against putting you and your fists in prison for enough time to learn guns are dangerous and don't belong in civilian hands.

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>i shitpost because i can
oh wow
>go buy a woman
oh wow you sure showed me reddit
+upvoted

you talking about the constitution that you learned in school, or the one that the lawyers, politicians, and corporate shills have basically shit on in the last 50 or so years?

goddamned shame, boy, you should feel it.