Is this the tournament that the 5-4-1 / 3-5-2 becomes the new meme tactic?
For a while now teams have been playing the 4-5-1 with cutty in wingers as a favorite tactic across Europe.
But as we can see from Wales and Italys success. This 3 at the back tactic that can become 5 with full backs playing pretty much as wingers when attacking is a very effective way of playing football and almost always wins out when played against tiki taka/ cutty in wingers.
When the Hazard / Ronaldo / Robben player cuts in and beats his full back, because you have 3 at the back he simply runs into the next Centre Back allowing your team to break quickly with 1 Centre Forward and attackers in fluid positions.
didn't napoli popularize this formation a few years ago? and then conte started using it at juve? It's been around for a while.
Owen Bell
but your image is a 3-4-3
Juan Martin
Yea mazzarri was using it in 2009 and they finished top 5 after being promoted the previous year and the other sides started using it. First Udine, then Inter, then Juve etc.
Lucas Ortiz
who were mazzarri's best players that made that system work?
Owen Thomas
Formations don't really exist in todays games. Guardiola and Mourinho changed that, instead of one formation that can be exploited easily over 90 minutes, there's multiple formations depending on where/who/when the ball is played. If you looked at Bayerns or Atleticos formation during the game, you would see it be 8-2 vs 2-3-5 because it always changes. Most coaches let individual players stay at certain positions, yes, but they wander alot depending on the type of player. Look at any Barca game and you'll see the front three change quite often. Same for the midfield
Nicholas Lopez
Hamsik, cavani and levezzi in front.
Literally who in midfield
Cannavaro (paolo), campagnaro, gamberini at the back
Logan Allen
Off the top of my head, it was:
De Sanctis Campagnaro - Cannavaro - Aronica Maggio - Gargano - Inler - Zuniga/Dossena Lavezzi - Hamsik Cavani
Dominic Powell
yeah i remember the front three for sure
the wing backs made that formation work with their tireless running
and come on Inler and Behrami were a good combo
Parker Mitchell
This is international tournament, not club football. Different rules apply and this won't start a new tactics meme.
David Brown
Yeah the back 3 never developed enough to really challenge for the top. They had gamberini, aronica, grava, fucking santacroce and others come through but it was the attack and cannavaro (de sanctis too) that got them to the point they did.
Nolan Peterson
>new you summerban or something?
its an old tactic that has resurfaced due to its effectiveness in pressing/countering (off ball movements) especially in recent times against tikitaka >muh possesion
the dutch already did a variant of it in 2014 to devastating effect, yes the bellend van lel, got it right which ironically is also why they failed to qualify this time around >muh totaalvoetbal
I'll tell you what though, Rinus Michels had it right. He always said you should have an extra man on defense. Meaning if you're up against a team with 2 strikers then a 3 men back line is good but against a 4-3-3 you need something with 4 defenders.
There's no many phases to a game like what said but really I think what makes a good manager are the individual task he assigns a certain player. Once everyone is plugged in to their role it builds a better overall picture that only a brain like Mou and Pep can have as their end goal. Mou is much more flexible in his approach cause Pep is always going play the same.
Jaxon Young
static formations has stopped existing for quite some time tho
in can be generally divided into 2 with & without the ball
coaching schools have picked up on it for quite some time; and although i'm not denying pep/mou's genius, the problem is you cant really apply it with sunday league players
with top world class players like pep/mou has it does really shine tho
Connor Richardson
>4-5-1 with cutty in wingers as a favorite tactic across Europe That's just 4-3-3.
Lucas Wilson
oops my bad Indonesia bro, I had a typo. Didn't mean to type in no. I meant to say There's so many phases to a game.
Blake Jones
If only Italy had that midfield of Marchisio, Verratti and De Rossi fit
Levi Howard
yes, agreed ameribro
the higher the level of the players/coaches you can see more specialized tactics/formations being applied on the fly in response to specific situations
Angel Hill
Maggio was a fucking beast. This would never work without him
Brody Turner
Pretty much yep
Leo Stewart
It's what the meme teams Norn Ireland and Slovakia tried to play against Germany. Germany countered it with a 2 - 2 - 6 in possession.
Carter Gomez
you can shit on defensive football all you want but it only works with players who can solve situations 6v2 and so on
just look at the goals of wales, those long balls and ballhandling top notch
Carter Cook
>Guardiola and Mourinho changed that, wanna know how i know you started watching football a few years ago?
Tyler Perez
>Guardiola and Mourinho changed that >that flag >this sport
bitch, changing formations depending on the phase of the match has been a thing since the Helenio Herrera's days
Sebastian Rivera
>before mourinho and guardiola players couldn't walk anywhere unless they were precisely In line in a 4231 formation
In recent years both coaches have become the best at changing shapes to change matches but they didn't even invent that
Jacob Barnes
5-3-2 is Italy's traditional formation, there's nothing new about it.
This thread is something a retard 14 year old would write.
