Britons, as a non-Brit, I would genuinely appreciate your input in understanding your political climate.
I do understand this is a touchy subject, and a difficult one to have on Sup Forums of all places. Essentially, what are the major political parties/allegiances of Britons? Can such be framed in the biaxial sense of left/center/right wings.
Thanks, Britbros!
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majority is soft right
This is major bait right now.
Does it seem most are glad for the Brexit? Is PM Cameron despised?
No and yes.
Genuinely not meant as bait. Sorry if taken as such. I merely am interested and would rather find out from Britons rather than media.
Thanks for the reply. Are the feeling split along party lines and their supporters? It just appears via media that no one wanted the Brexit, yet it still happened.
Most young peeps don't really identify with any party. See the brexit vote as "fuck the system". Older "Sun" readers voted leave because they where told too. Other leave voters, voted for some sense of patriotism, because EU is ruining their British values.
Everyone else thought any slim benefits there might be long term arnt worth the risk
Did immigration play a huge part in this? Watching Sky News, a panel seemed to be alluding a "racist" angle as a motivator.
Do most feel Nigel Farage a royal twat?
I think it's more to do with the fact that people here are scared of overcrowding rather than outright racism. They wanted control of their borders which seems logical but they weren't educated enough about the massive economical implications of voting leave.
Everything is basically right of centre as far as parties are concerned. Now Corbyn is in trouble for sure. He is an old fashioned leftie but labour are heading back to the old Tory in disguise guise.
>They wanted control of their borders which seems logical but they weren't educated enough about the massive economical implications of voting leave.
Or the fact that if Britain wants to remain in the common market, the borders will need to remain open.
Or that EU migration is a tiny percentage of the population.
They got duped by Boris Johnson who probably didn't think he'd win the referendum anyway.
Our newspapers seem to love stories about scrounging foreigners, which breeds hate. Tory government has managed to deflect the fallout of banking crisis by cutting budgets to NHS and other services. Papers then 'suggest' they are failing because 'ov all the immigrants"
Confusing to me as an outsider, it seems Cameron brought on this vote and is effectively blamed. Yet, I hear Corbyn being quite blamed and talks of the end of the Labour Party, or at least its split.
A bunch of tories have always hated Europe. Before the last general election, he promised the referendum to stop them from defecting to UKIP who are proper cunts. He didn't think they'd win though.
Corbyn kept quiet because the traditional leftie view is the EU is bad and his natural inclination would be to leave. However by taking any side you piss off half the country. All the lefties felt short changed and the rest of the party wanted to get rid of him anyway.
Major political parties:
Conservatives: centre-right/right. Emphasise smaller government, working your way out of poverty, most senior MPs go to church but don't talk about it. Leader is David Cameron, on his way out after organising a referendum he didn't have to and then losing it. Official government.
Labour: centre-left/left. Emphasise larger government, borrowing to fund growth of the economy. Dragged to centre-right by ex-leader Tony Blair, but dragged back to centre-left/left by current leader Jeremy Corbyn. Corbyn under pressure because he has tons of support (c60%) of the grassroots but none of the power brokers. Lost a motion of no-confidence in his leadership today by 172-40. Official opposition.
Any questions of other minor parties or these two?
> next PM
Putting him in charge of London was a bit of banter but when he becomes PM shit is going to get real. Unless you went to his school, he thinks you're worse than shit on his shoe.
> irrelevant
Thanks, bro. This was excellent. Another question, who is Farage... member of a minor party, UKIP, I believe? Does he wield much influence? He's certainly getting a bit of global press.
It's not that simple anymore, it used to be left/right rich/poor now you get right wing brexit and right wing remain people.
The eu referendum has divided the country completely. Not in simple left right terms either. Google Corbin walk out to see what I mean. Political parties are being torn apart by it
imple fact is, right wingers voted out because they see the EU as too far left, and left wingers voted out because they think its too far right.
In short, every fucker with a grievance blamed the EU and thinks they'll now get what they want
Reality is, we are now fucked
Clearer?
This pretty much
Bnp far right, ukip right, Conservative/labour middle, lib dem left, tree hugging hippy party far left
>yet it still happened.
Quite
Conc;usive proof that some decisions are too important to be left to muh democracy
Much clearer. The marriage of politics and lack of common sense. Politics has become much too like supporting one's favorite sports club, yet this isn't a game but has real consequences. It's a global phenomenon, too. We each pick a side, and spend all our time blaming one other for the sink overflowing rather than just turning off the goddamn faucet in the first place.
The tl:dr on ukip is they are racists with English Defence League ties, until recently they were a joke party with no real policies past "throw all immigrants out". Recently they have started to become more popular. Farage is the leader and is admired by working class and closet racists for "speaking his mind" and "telling it like it is".
He is the uk's trump
If you genuinely think leaving the EU will have a huge negative impact on Britain in the long run
then feel free to drown yourself and your immediate family. Dumb cunts.
At any point, Britfags, can we blame this on the goddamn blacks and jews?
Socialist lefty detected
How long is this long run going to be? All I can see is our generation fucked with no pensions or chance to get on the property ladder. We are going to be a generation supported by our kids, it's pathetic
>Reality is, we are now fucked
Nope
Any way you look at the EU is failing economically and fucking them off to look after ourselves is worth the risk. The concerns about immigrants are a genuine worry for anybody that hasn't spent their lives in an ivory tower fanning themselves with the guardian
You're correct, Nigel Farage is the leader of the United Kingdom Independence Party (UKIP). He's very high profile because his party promotes leaving the European Union largely in order to control immigration which has seen him branded as a racist. That explains his global profile.
He wields no real influence aside from his press coverage; he's not an MP but is an MEP. So he essentially sits in the European Parliament in the right-wing, euro-sceptic bloc.
Some other political parties that make up the House of Commons:
UKIP - 1 MP, Douglas Carswell. He defected from the Conservatives and won an election to sit as a UKIP MP.
Scottish National Party (SNP) - 54 MPs. The SNP are the third-largest group in Parliament and won 54/59 seats in Scotland. They were elected by the Scottish people to essentially get as much out of the UK government as possible in favour of Scotland as they voted to remain as part of the UK in 2015.
Liberal Democrats - 10 MPs. They were part of the coalition government with the Conservatives 2010-15 but got annihilated at the 2015 general election. Their leader is a guy called Tim Farron.
There are also three or four parties from Northern Ireland who sit in Westminster (DUP, UUP, SDLP, maybe more). There are also Sinn Fein, who win elections but refuse to take their seats in protest at British rule in Northern Ireland (which is a whole other issue that we won't go into here!).
Any questions?
You can also mix in an unhealthy dose of anti-intellectualism. There are relatively intelligent people who only have a basic level of education. This means that they haven't been equipped with the tools to pick apart an argument or assess the suitability of the source. As they're surrounded by people who aren't as intelligent as them, they think they're more intelligent than they are. Because they dropped out of school early they've got a complex about people who didn't.
Put all of that together and you can spoon feed them shit and as long as it sounds more or less like what they want to hear, they'll lap it up. If anyone tries to tell them otherwise they won't listen because it hurts their delicate little sensibilities to think someone knows better than them so they turn back to their facebook circle jerk and think they're right. At the moment they're all like the typical chess playing pigeon.
Genuine worry for people too lazy to research it (fixd). The eu has nothing to do with the majority of our immigration, it's our own governments policies. The eus contribution to our population via immigrants is tiny
This was happening already, you'd find it out pretty quick if you had a job
you can erase Scotland and Northern Ireland of your map
this explains everything you need to know
Are British Women hot and do they queef a lot?
Please rank them from England, Ireland, Northern Ireland, Scotland, Wales.
>The concerns about immigrants are a genuine worry
Not for me m8
I've now run 3 businesses where the growth has been severely limited by being unable to get decent staff. English workers are lazy, unreliable entitled cunts
And beforeyou start with the "minimum wage is slave labour 2 bullshit, not ONCE was I paying only minimum wage - even for raw trainees
Give me immigrants ANY day of the week
Someone's got to earn the wealth to pay the lazy fucker's benefits...
reverse your list
England isn't an island. It borders Scotland to the north and Wales to the southeast. The three nations together do form an island, however.
England isn't an island.
>Someone's got to earn the wealth to pay the lazy fucker's benefits...
Truer words never spoken, bro. Same exact fucking problem here in my country and I agree with you.
I'm good I have a house, job etc etc it was happening but could have been reversed, it's now inevitable for most
What I wonder about is just how realistic is the probability of a second Scottish independence referendum?
if memory serves, the one in 2014 was rather close, and despite 99% economic dependency on the rest of the UK, the overwhelming majority of Scotts voted to remain in the EU -- could economic rewards from the EU be their ticket out of the UK once and for all? if so, Mel Gibson will be jizzing himself for sure
You believe your own hype.
If you think we can shell China into a trade deal in this century you're wrong. They have the upper hand.
If you think the fact that we buy 90% of Germany's exports means anything other than we're dependent on Germany for a bunch of stuff then you're delusional.
You don't just say "we want a trade deal" and everyone says "yes, you're pretty good chaps, let's sort you right out".
We've been right royally fucked over.
Retard alert
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Problem is it's been a concern of the general public for years and instead of addressing it the lefties just labeled everyone racists and did nothing. The EU referendum was the first opportunity Joe public had to do something about it and the result is history
UKIP got thousands more individual votes than the log Dems and SnP but because of the shit system of elections here they got few seats
>Same exact fucking problem here in my country
Where you from Sup Forumsro?
Really!? I'd never known Welsh and Scots were the hottest UK beavers! Always heard England birds were trolls.
"I'm an angry cynical faggot"
Really? I mean, we're not in the best position but don't buy into the scaremongering that is "The EU doesn't need the UK" ... it really does, and it benefits from the goods/food we export into other countries.
More to the point it benefits from the fucking money we have as well, Germany and France are very aware of the fact that they'll now be footing the bill for the inevitable future crash of the Euro.
Greece / Spain / Portugal / Ireland they're all run by shit stains with no firm grasp on economics.
These guys get it. The British bitch about immigrants taking their jobs, if you can't compete with someone you don't deserve the job.
In my experience foreigners will work their ass off, whereas Brits will try to find shortcuts and ways to slack. Culturally we lack work ethic
>nice dubs
USA
>What I wonder about is just how realistic is the probability of a second Scottish independence referendum?
Highly probable, and a certainty the Independence brigade will win it if they can stay in the EU. Possibly Northern Ireland too
Good job Brexiters
We're a net importer though. Particularly where food is concerned. Next time you're near a greengrocer or supermarket, check where all the fruit and veg comes from. Unless it's the overpriced shit, it aint from farmer Giles up the road.
>Business not growing because I can't get staff
>I don't want to pay more than minimum wage
And another factor I'm willing to bet is you can rely on the ignorance of immigrants that they don't know their rights and you get away with breaking the law (health and safety etc) as a result
My understanding is that the Brit welfare system is a lot more generous than that in the States, so imagine how much worse the problem is here...
>Good job Brexiters
But mah sovrinty
my country didn't elect this degenerate pedo slob.
Scotland isn't actually dependant on the UK, besides London, its the only part of the UK without a deficit.
Little Englanders claim we rely on them because we have to send all our money south for England to take their share and then send the rest back. Its a badly designed system.
statistically you're argument makes 0 sense seem how employers look for lazy employees seem how they find quicker shortcuts for doing a job whereas a hardworking employee though admirable will put more effort thans needed into a simple task.
I'm willing to bet you didn't read his post properly.
There's no point in avoiding your worker's health and safety.
>that they don't know their rights
Actually no. The Polish in particular are VERY aware of their rights, as are most other EU immigrants. That's um, sort of the point of the fucking EU, it's a level playing field!
Cant comment on non-EU immigrants as I never employed any, but it's a bit irrelevant anyway, as believe it or not, not all businessmen are filthy exploites of the proletariat and always complied with any relevant legislation
Nice try
It's difficult to compare vis-a-vis, but here in the States it is very, very generous. It pays everything from healthcare, medications to food, housing and television, cell phones, even taxi fare, and on and on. You can get on it as a child and never have to get off. It is vast and grows larger. The problem, as I surmise it is in Britain, is that it is becoming an upside-down pyramid of about damn near every 1.7 workers supporting 1 non-worker.
>There's no point in avoiding your worker's health and safety
Cost?
And they do, all the time
Shortcuts and slacking mean not doing the job properly and avoiding work or not pulling your weight. We're not talking about 'lazy sysadmins' here, we're talking lazy workshy cunts.
No and yes, however most people I've spoken to are sad about the resignation because it means we'll be getting someone even shittier
Go to YouTube search "the Mayfair set" watch all four have a full picture of postwar economic tragedy that has led us to this situation.
Brexit is not a protest it is inevitable, I'm glad Britain has taken its democracy back.
Democracy is cancer.
YouTube - the source of all academic research from 2020 onwards.
It'll be reet, i hope.
Didnt know it was that bad in the States too
Country has to be SERIOUSLY rich to pay people NOT to work...
It could actually work, in a world where people consume too much energy. Reducing energy consumption by doing nothing, is actually worth something!
there's a difference between someone being lazy and efficient and their job rather that "workshy". In my experience the "workshy" are either unemployed or unemployable. Distinguish the difference in future.
We just have A LOT of taxes. Contrary to what our media reports. For instance, our Olympic athletes have to pay taxes on the value of their medals, if they win. I shit you not. Hell, we still have a death tax.
>not all businessmen are filthy exploites of the proletariat
Said the man not wanting to pay above the legal minimum
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>It could actually work, in a world where people consume too much energy. Reducing energy consumption by doing nothing, is actually worth something!
Oh right. My bad. I didn't realise that the benefits brigade were doing it to save the environment, Sorry
Also. Fuck street name signs
fuck off.
Shitdick, again, originally he said "not once did I pay minimum wage," i.e., he fucking paid more than.
>We just have A LOT of taxes
Of course. Some fuckers got to pay for people sitting on benefits
If you think taxes are bad now, just wait until the effects of Brexit kick in
Article 50
>Said the man not wanting to pay above the legal minimum
Wat
Reading not your strong point then?
Let me guess, you voted leave...?
If at all possible, and I know it would require a broad generalisation, but of all the countries in the UK which females have the worst smelling cunts?
lololololololololololol
good one.
theguardian. com/uk-news/2016/mar/24/ifs-scotland-debts-three-times-greater-uk
It's written and edited by a political scientist. And is Probably one of the best series on modern british economic policy ever made. Go and watch it you giant gust of shit.
Here we fucking go . Perhaps you should vote for everyone seeing as you are so educated mr fucking big brain Intelligentsia
>females have the worst smelling cunts?
The one that wrote this post
All these comments target bullshit. the problem is that the majority of people who voted for Brexit are old and on this platform you are not going to hear their views. All your going to here is young people bullshit, from nob heads who couldn't even be bothered to vote.
>you giant gust of shit.
I love this insult.
>UK femanon confirmed
Parties:
Labour:
Starting to splinter right now. There are the traditional soft socialists who support big Govt., but the current leader of the Labour party, who is unpopular within the party, is a harder commie. Generally pro-immigration, anti-austerity, think Bernie Sandersish. Campaigned to stay in the EU. The harder commies are more like the SNP mentioned below, though.
Conservatives:
Again another party starting to splinter. Typically a more right wing party with central social policy. Current leader is conforms to that, but the new leader may not. Campaigned on both sides of the EU debate.
For traditional Conservatives, think Obama. Some more nationalistic, right wing tories are showing, though. These could be compared to Republicans, although generally they are also socially left wing.
SNP:
Scottish Independence party. Very left wing economically and socially. A bit like a nationalist green party.
Green Party:
Typical far left Green party, not much else to say. Pro-large Govt. etc..
UKIP:
Similar to the more right wing republicanesque Conservatives mentioned above. Their main political goal is the see the UK leave the EU. Tend to appeal to the working classes quite a lot.
There are also other regional parties, like Sinn Fein, but they mostly stay out of national politics. Some are loyalist, and some want independence.
Also, there are minor groups that are not political, but often make headlines because of their acts. e.g, The English Defense League, an anti-Islam group that has in the past marched against the building of mosques etc..
good post
Only you can lead us with your decision making oh glorious commiefag