Why has no one ever really tried true communism?

why has no one ever really tried true communism?

because communism is a sales pitch used by the power hungry to convince morons that they're going to do shit for them when all they really want is more power.

Cause its autistic

That is not an argument against trying what communism actually is.

Communities that produce goods and trade with other communities without government or currency.

because it doesn't work you fucktard

give an example?

Yes but, who will be the leader that takes control of every aspect of life with help from their cronies.

Been tried plenty of times
The second it hits reality it morphs into something more....realistic
Then a new generation of commie wannabe's claims that yet another attempt "wasn't true communism"
so boring

Parts of it work, but altogether its garbage.

The state cannot be trusted with absolute power. People are easily corrupted. End of story.

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Russia( with Warsaw pact members), China (currently killing and suppressing rights of its people), Cambodia, Loas, Cuba, North Korea. Vietnam seems to be the only one doing well for itself. There are only 4 countries left in the world that are communist.

Meant for

Because power corrupts or power enthralls. Even if you were a kind and generous dictator, someone would try to kill you to gain power. It doesn't work simply because of human nature and alpha tendencies

UHHm, communism is stateless
Russia is a federation and the Chinese Communist party hasn't been actually communist for a very very long time.

Don't ever go full commie.

Adding on....It never was really communist, anyway. Full communism has never happened.

can't work, there will always be someone who will take control. there will always be those that have to suffer to sustain those in power.

They are not communist until they rid themselves of the "dictatorship of the proletariat". No "communist" country has ever done that.

This is communism

No such thing as no currency really. Humans place value on shit. That's been universal in all of history. If we trade goods for equal goods, that's basically a currency exchange right there. In the form of those goods

Witness
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Bc the world isnt ready for it yet. soon my comrade

Eh.
The originators did, back in the 1600s, first the diggers, then the levellers. Radical cristians. The monarchy git with the church though and stomped them the fuck down. Then they became less cool, and later attempts turned into the puritans, the memomites, the amish.

You could easily say a jewwy kibbutz, or communal living farming community, is the earliest formal means of communism fully dicumented, but the]at would be ignoring the fact that before Ur, Uruk, Babylon, and the other large scale civilizations that operated on power/wealth heirarchies and institutionalized carrots and sticks, nearly stage of human civilization traditionally was communism.

An example of how they didn't work was asked. And Russia was part of the Soviet Union along with Ukraine, Kazakhstan, Georgia, the list goes on and on.

Communism has existed until about 10,000 years ago. Since then we have adapted so much capitalism and free market, it would be very difficult to go back. But it is still possible to do so, as long as we slowly strip away the free market. If we take it away right away we will collapse. We need to gradually make our economy less reliant on private industry and more on state owned. This is why countries like the USSR who have had 74 years to attempt to reach communism have never done so because of how long it would take to do so because of how reliant they were on private industry. It is a very difficult process.

That's how capitalim currectly works as well though. Exceot in capitalisms case, it's boasted about as a positive.

Oneida did it but now it is a silverware company

>Implying communism doesn't do the same thing

Because comunism as it was imagined is about as imposible as utopian anarchism or true Christianity, human beiongs are simply incapable of living in such a way as to almost extinguish their own egos. Comunism is quite simply impossible and historic atempts to recreate it have often led to terrible dictatorships.

They weren't communist.
Communism = stateless and classless
No society has yet achieved such glory
Yeah, okay, Karl marx was born in 1818 faggot

will the state need workers when they have all the means of production?
will all those workers be volunteers?
what happens when someone doesnt want to work in the state factory?

Well the USA and Europre currently rely on it as the system of choice to produce all our goods. Hell, the more unregulated and free our markets are, the more our companies switch to communist countries to produce their goods, stating in no uncertain terms that we sinply canjot compete against them.

If thats not a glaring admission of defeat, i don't know what is. What do you need, to hoist the red flag on the white house?

Russia has. Vladimir Lenin only wanted the best for his people and led a bloody revolution to help them. Then Joseph Stalin came into power by killing off his rivals like the cruel and dishonest snake he was. Even drove out Trotsky, a man who believed in all of the things Lenin did, and later had him assassinated. The problem with communism is that the system relies on all of the people running the state to be loyal and honest. People like Stalin will always be there to fuck it up and murder millions if you let them. I'm sure you learned about checks and balances and what makes capitalism more reliable. If not, study harder and get off your iShit while in class.

Thats not implied at all. Learn how to fucking read, you dope. It said "as well", not "instead of"

Because if they existed they would be conquered by their neighboring nations.

The is absolutely no way a country, state, city or community will every be true communist. Now you can say that community in, I think it's in Denmark, but they have no power or running water. They're hippies. Fuck hippies.

Capitalism is very often mistaken with mercantilism, people only think of its philosophical precepts in Smith when defending it but in practice do very often forget it only works with clear rules. True capitalism has never been atempted any more than comunism.

>10,000 kinds of communism that yielded human copperation, agriculture, and small and med-scale civilization
>only knows of karl marx
You have a hilariously narrow view of communism.

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>Exceot in capitalisms case, it's boasted about as a positive.
I read it.

Cause it sucks so hard they alter it immediately so their is never a "true communism" phase

They did try it. The anarcho communist communities in northern Spain during the civil war in the 40s went great. It was really working well Rubik the fascists showed up and slaughtered them all. Can't let the people know that collectivism can work, so they gotta stamp it out fast

Lenin was the one who came up with the idea to use state terror as means of control. In all fairness "only wanted the best for his people" ignores much of what the man he did, whatever his ideals or ultimate goals...

I'd say because true communists don't ever become/remain the ones in charge.

>no true scotsman

Niggers, these are all works in progress. Each has a long history of high highs and low lows and repeatedly self-destructing and crashing and burning fucking hard.

Expecting any system in place today to still be in place a century from now, much less 500 years from now, much less 10,000 years from now, you have to be fucking joking, or ignorant of how much is changing on a fundamental level and how fast its happening.

None of this shit matters.

Because if it doesn't work or no one likes it, another communist later in history will tell everyone that it was never "true communism". And the cycle repeats infinitely in the course of mankind.

apparently communism is also weak. in you example, it was not able to stand up and defend itself. a government must be able to defend its people.

Clearly, it's not the "reading" part of "reading comprehension" that's your problem.

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Because I don't want the government to control every aspect of my life you cuck

I read it how it was, I'm not taking an hour, 60 minutes interview style, to break it down.

because every time they try to reach "true" communism, millions die in the process.

Oh, and the leaders always get greedy. Plus, communism can never work, because human being aren't androids with no emotional depth, they get jealous & they need motivation.

Where's the motivation to train to be a surgeon when someone working in a factory earns what you do? Where's the motivation when you can never better yourself and move up? Who wants to be cashier their entire life? What happens to people who can't work, thus don't contribute? What happens when your work colleague isn't working as hard as you are?

"true" communism can never work.

>anarcho communist
>anarcho
>anarchy
>government protects you

The lazy will keep on clutching at the past trying to hold tight to the reigns of their old dead horses though.

While the fucking spaceships with ion thrusters are still accellerating up to speed, the old chariot drivers can entertain themselves thinking they still stand for something relevant and not totally barbaric.

ive tried it its alright tastes like mountain dew livewire

Makes me happy to see that people who don't use or empower their military might are people who deserve to be slain to taken over by others with actual power.

Assume or call me whatever you like, it's nice to see that people who think they can live in peace is just a delusion.

>It takes me an hour to break down 2 lines of text.

Best of luck to you in the 5th grade. You'll need it.

Collectivism has also "worked" in a lot of other places. The problem is that as a system it tends to stagnate and requires enormous economic inflows from outside to sustain itself. Mexico tried the ejido before there was such a thing as a Soviet and it did manage to move a majority of peasants towards that system. The system however devolved into subsistence farming despite the country hitting 5 decades of continuous growth (up until the 1970's) starting the green revolution and developing the best education system in the Spanish speakingg world. The fundamentals that would allow for sustainable collectivism simply aren't there...

The Fourth Political Theory

Because power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Effing doy.

The best system is a capitalist democracy.

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Collectivism =/= Communism

There hasn't been groups in the past that were truly communist. In the earliest periods of development of groups of people there were classes. This is evidenced by looking at primates and seeing how they stratify their societies (Alpha-beta). In early societies there were clan alliances with heads of those clans and sub branches. later, kings and nobles. It really takes some grade A ignorance to assert that early humans were communist. Don't forget that even collectivism didn't fully extend beyond families in hard times as people have been known to keep hidden additional resources from the group for their and their families use.

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Yes, we've all read Spiderman comics...

>year is 2116
>3d printing has advanced to the point of Nano fabrication
>can construct literally any object at an atomic level
>can just print food, gadgets, tools, clothes, pretty much anything.
>got the printer for free. Friend printed it for me
>this caused a massive shift in society
>capitalism is obsolete in our post scarcity state
>glorious global communism is realized.

Technology is gonna change everything.

it is a delusion. at no time in mans history have we "lived in harmony". there will always be someone willing to kill you to take what you have.

Good post

so barter capitalism? do you think capitalism requires money or some shit?

That is because you are powerless teenager. If you ever grow up, you'll slowly come to realize that basing your worldview around fantasies of absolute power and military aggression is a nigger-tier worldview to hold on to past about 17. If you join the military, however, they'll create a nice environment for you to go right on thinking that until your discharge, at which point you can enjoy your life on a streetcorner fully realizing the worthlessness of your career dumbassery.

I met to post this instead

Higher resolution.

Capitalism isn't immune from corruption of power either. Look up Indonesia's New Order.

Because if you drop a screw driver while trying to make something from Ikea you get shot.

wrong. you still need to procure plastic to 3d print with. you need electricity to power the device. you still need to eat, drink and have shelter.

where you gonna get all that?

Indonesia's new order was a government regime.. Governments are not capitalistic entities.

Nice strawman

You don't have a clue what a strawman is.

Because it doesn't fucking work, that's why. Communism only works when the workers are willing to sacrifice anything and everything for The State. People just won't do that reliably.

The only place communism works is insect colonies like ants, termites, and bee hives

Sub nano fabrication by nature could in theory use any matter as print material. If you are constructing things at Tue atomic scale it matters less what you put in to break down and reform
A hundred years from now I would expect we would have figured out fusion or at least small scale thorium reactors.
You can print food. And now that you don't have to work to survive you can build your own house. Print the tools.
It's not a panacea, but Nani fabrication is gonna be big to push us to a post capitalist state

lulz, didnt nearly everyone of those leaders and many of their followers get killed or imprisoned?

dont forget, the govt needs to provide protection for its citizens, thats job #1

Governments all too often are essential to upholding elite classes and their power structures.

And when it doesnt stabnate, or stabilize, you have the US foreigh policy of the last 75 years to assassinate your leaders, arm revolutionary coups, blow up cars in cities and destabilize the political climate, drug dignitaries, in 35 countries acknowledged by the CIA itself. Because the US created the Monroe Doctrine, whereupon it granted itself the right to fuck up any country in the hemisphere and ruin as many millions of peoples lives as it sees fit to prevent any other ideologies from being successful.

And if that doesnt work, and your communist state still manages to develop the nuke, and manned spaceflight and a shitload of higher mathematics and high energy particle physics, we'll wage an economic war against your ass and celebrate when we destroy you and the mob takes over your gov, and all your kids get to be prostitutes and thugs. Another victory for spreading "democracy"! ...which we don't even practice.

One day...

Because the thing about communism is that whole it sounds good on paper..human greed will never die. People are always gonna want more than others. That's why communism can't work

I don't disagree, still not capitalism though.

>Implying the only violence carried about by leftist regime has been during war.

Go ogle.. the fourth political theory. Your welcome

nice file size faggot

I always found it funny how you leftists always come up with different names for communism. It reminds of tumblrites and their 50 different genders.

umm thats called self preservation. in global politics, it is better to be the fucker than the fuckee.

would you rather the US have been on the receiving end of kgb antics? some country will always be the most powerful, i prefer it to be the one i live in.

If all the amassed wealth of the british and prussian empires landed in Russia instead of the USA after two world wars, we would still be the insignificant agrarian frontier colony that no one even thought was worth inviting in those wars tiday, abd we'd never hear the end of the ruskies having irrefutable proof that their soviet system is the one true way to achieve technological progress and blah blah blah too.

As the worlds great lump sum of old money shifts from one nation to another, so with it comes that self-righteousness.

I'll 3d print solar panels with the plastic from your mom's massive dildo collection and and 3d copypasta the vegetables i took from her garden. You sassy bitch.

I agree collectivism doesn't necesarily equal comunism, but it as much a necessary basis as mutualism and to go as far as to say there's never been true communism is disngenous. Israel, Mexico and to some extent Yugoslavia did practice comunism outside Soviet influence and there's antecedents for succesful comunes even in 19th century France, Great Britain and the United States. The problem is humans can't be revolutionaries 24/7, it opnly takes a couple of persons falling in love or working on their own projects or flat out being lazy for the whole comune to start working a bit harder to support others, these things do accumulate, you may not mind at first and even contrinbute gladly a few extra minutes of your time for the happyness of others but eventually the expectation you may do the same is created, your neighbour's son went to university while your own stayed to work, maybe you do slightly better at first but overtime you will not accumulate wealth, the son comes back and he's no longer suitable to work the fields, and even if he is modest he expects a few perks, so maybe he's now a Doctor or an engineer and all the women in the village swoon over him while your own son's life hasn't changed. And then the neighbour's son turns out to be good friends with the komisar and he's a party member, meanwhile you still don't accumulate wealth...bComunism doesn't work because it goes against human nature and psychology. You cannot get even a group of high school kids to be equal even if they all have similar backgrounds and grow up in the same place, even if they're all invited to the same parties some will be popular by doing nothing but enjoy thenselves while others sit on the corner embarrasing themselves despite their most sincere efforts not to do so. To expect better of human society borders on misanthropy. That men are equal is a necessary fiction for law and democracy but it doesn't quite come out that way when creating large economies.

Look here

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It isn't self-preservation if all you gain is a bunch of dead farmers who cant stop your pepsi/nike plant from tearing down their fucking village, and it comes at a cost of creating hundreds of millions of newly minted enemies who have a valid reason to hate you and want to destroy you and your unnecessary asshole culture in every country right up to your own doorstep.

That's pretty fuckin reckless and stupid, actually.
Of course, at the time, the one thing that made it ok was knowing comminications were so limited and easily controlled, there was no way it would ever amount to anything.

Because the human element doesn't allow communism to work

Except how do you afford to keep it all running without incomes? And are you going to freely release that technology open source to the public so that some angry /btard wizard hacks into it and destroys life on the planet out of anger no woman ever noticed him?

well then. good luck with that. enjoy munching on 3d printed dildo peppers on the commune. mom's dildo collection is quite large, it'll feed you and your commie friends for a long while

ya...cause it totally works Sup Forumsro.

How many times do commies have to get BTFO in their own threads before they realize they're wrong and give up?

sure, you're totally correct. it wont last forever, someday every country pays for their sins. the trick is to stay strong enough to push that day out as far as possible. im just glad to be living on the upswing and hope to die before it falls.