What are music genres with Reactionary / Traditionalist / Nationalist associations?
So far I have:
Classical Romantic Romantic Nationalist music (Russian, etc) Folk (the actual traditional stuff) Religious Music Country Outlaw Country Southern Rock Heavy Metal Power Metal Black Metal Viking Metal Folk Metal Post-Industrial Martial Industrial Neofolk Neoclassical Noise (some of it) Harsh Noise Gabber Jumpstyle Futurepop Vaporwave 'Meme' music
I wonder how much of the 'nu-male' thing can be blamed on the whole 'twee' element of indie music disseminating across culture? Probably part of a larger symptom though. Like, gaming makes men just as soft, in other ways.
Jackson Williams
I just want to lie down in that forest and never move again.
Cooper Perry
i wasnt joking you fucking retard
Hudson Nguyen
What about what music conservative yuppies listened to in the 80s? They're a different, outmoded type of conservative, but what would have Trump listened to back then?
Phil Collins and smooth jazz? Robert Palmer? ZZ Top?
Bentley Rodriguez
Well, then you're absolutely clueless. Twee is a completely 'progressive' genre.
Yes, progressives have long actually had 'reactionary' symptoms to the actual aesthetic qualities to their music at time: folkiness, bucolic, nostalgic, etc, but twee for example also kind of questions natural gender roles and poses a 'weak' male image. I guess you could associate it also with a lovelorn Romantic male image, which goes back to Romanticism, which is probably more Reactionary...
One thing to realize of course is that there isn't any totally 'left' or 'right' anything. 'Romantic' impulses, for instance, are kind of a reactionary-liberal, traditionalist-revolutionary hybrid.
Most music and art aesthetics are a hybrid of things that could be seen as either.
Charles Howard
twee pop (some of it)
Lincoln Bailey
What would be some examples of reactionary twee pop then?
Alexander Nguyen
Hymns Mountain Music Bluegrass Honkey Tonk Bakersfield Sound
It's mistaken probably to read 'old-timey' or folky as essentially conservative in a strictly political sense, or new/now/fresh, or futuristic/modern/contemporary as progressive in a political sense.
Traditional folk and indigenous music was definitely traditionalist, but people in contemporary times with 'progressive' values have often preferred older, nostalgic sounds (or older 'authentic' folk or country) while 'conservative' people have embraced [actual] country that sounds quiet contemporary and new.
Also, remember that Futurism (Italian, or the English version 'Vorticism') were FASCIST movements.
Furthermore, other early modern innovations in art were coming from the idea of the genius artist, which came from the (very reactionary) Romantic movement that started moving towards innovation as a product of genius.
Even National Socialism was as futuristic (in its own way) as it was 'volkish'.
My point being that there is really no way to graft ideas of 'progressivism' or 'conservatism' in aesthetics onto 'progressivism' or 'conservatism' in politics... and there's nothing necessarily even aesthetically 'progressive' about being 'futuristic'... one reason being that there are unoriginal ways to be 'futuristic', while original or fresh or vital ways to be 'folky' or 'nostalgic'. And needless to say, being 'politically progressive' doesn't mean you make fresh or innovative music.
Which is why the list of 'Reactionary'-associated styles above have a lot of folk / country listed but a lot of really futuristic styles (Gabber, Industrial) too.
Brody Martin
Twee pop isn't even a real genre
Hunter Harris
>Vaporwave Boy stop.
>Jumpstyle You can have that. It's yours. Enjoy it.
Jose Phillips
This When will people stop replying to obvious political baits?
Hudson Hernandez
>reactionary as in will be irrelevant soon the world is spinning too fast
also name 1 (one) nationalist neofolk album
Juan Price
That's basically all I found, too bad most of it isn't very good.
But the reactionary position is to separate music from politics anyway.
Nolan Lee
>So far I have: >Classical >Romantic >Folk (the actual traditional stuff) >Religious Music omg lol
Jason Reyes
>Romantic Nationalist
kekking at your existence right now
Jose Clark
Ghengis Khan was a Romantic Nationalist.
Wyatt Turner
Futurism sort of existed before fascism became codified. Whilst there ended up being a lot of overlap, it's misleading to say that Italian futurism was fascist. Farinetti, the guy who founded the movement, had to compromise heavily upon his artistic ideals to keep futurism palatable to the regime.