If it's a post-scarcity society how come everyone doesn't have their own elite starship?

If it's a post-scarcity society how come everyone doesn't have their own elite starship?

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Unreplicatable material necessary to power a warp engine like Dilithium and other hypothetical things.

There is no such thing as post-scarcity society, BTW.

Imagine you wanted to create a quantum singularity? You'd need something other than a replicator for that.

Sounds like all I'd need is enough time and energy for making a black hole.

It would be a planet and them star before it was a blackhole, and it might take a long time. But what do I need other than time and energy and knowing what a blackhole is?

Post-scarcity implies a society where currency and money systems were rendered obsolete through technological advance to the point that every need for the individual is met without the zero-sum game analogy taking place.

I'm saying that there are still projects where no replicator would work, a great deal of time and energy would be needed, and that still implies a need to reallocate resources within a fixed system that uses only the non-replicatable components as economically considerate.

Beyond that fact, though, it is the closest thing to "post-scarcity".

In economics we're taught there is no free lunch because energy is always needed for something.

The replicators will need an energy source and while that may be highly efficient there is still a barter system in nature taking place.

Sorry for my messy semantics.

I don't know.
But if I was a technician on Star Trek ships I'd be reprogramming all the replicators to be serving human flesh.

Has it ever been explicitly stated that Star Trek is a post scarcity universe?

That's what Rottenberry wanted most from the future setting.
The writers still joke about it though after he dies.
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The Federation doesn't have any currency, but they do have credits that can be spent on shit like replicators and transporters and hologram leisure.

lol. Gene BTFO

lol! Gene btfo

Id imagine space travel is so common and boring that most people spend their time on the holodeck gargling alien jizz.

Lol, gene btfo

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>Why can't Trekkies justify Atheism?

That's what this post feels like.

lol. user btfo

luh! gene bo a fuck out!

Why was DS9 Fucking allowed to do this!?

Laughing out loud. Eugene Wesley Roddenberry blown the fuck out.

el oh el genie back the fuck off

Post scarcity doesn't mean there's no laws.

The Federation itself only allows freighters with simple defensive weaponry (which was retconned into no weaponry if I remember correctly in DS9), and minimal shielding.

If you want an actual starship with photon torpedoes and shit, you need to hold captain/commander (for lesser provisions) in Star Fleet, and even then you're just commanding it, you don't own it.

but information wants to be free.

Replicators power themselves through their own process of conversion though, even the colony-grade demountables.

Theoretically there is a barter, however because the process is matter conversion on a base level, it's like being at the beach and somebody saying you need a grain of sand to pay for a drink, with the vendor then throwing the grain of sand back into the beach by way of dimensional matter correction (All that subspace pull that their deflectors and warp engines accrue).

I'm sure there's some autistic Trek book describing the details of the process into a finite process, but from the television series/movies, this is what we have. Basically, the Star Trek prime universe is immune to entropy due to the technology they use actually bringing more matter into the universe than other.

Hence the Maquis. They tried to utilize Federation and Star Fleet technology to create a private army against the Cardassians, and were summarily declared as pirates and enemies of the Federation.

staying and fighting is stupid. new star trek should deal with the consequences of stealth nomadic dispersal

If it's a post-scarcity society, why does war still exist?

It doesn't in the canon series.

TNG had a long war with the Cardassians in the very recent past. TOS was in perpetual cold war.

A lot of implications of it, in general a TNG episode where they go back in time and Mark Twain winds up on the Enterprise, he drills all these philosophical questions at Troi and she writes him off because everything is great and wonderful in the 24th Century Federation.

>You will never get a post-Voyager Star Trek show where they still have the comfy uniforms in pic related
>There will never be a Captain Worf show where the Klingons are starting a new war with the Federation, and he's torn between loyalties
>You will never see Worf and Picard fighting side by side in their respective ships against a super bird of prey
>You will never get to see the Romulans join the Federation and now the Klingons are the ultimate big bad

The currency in Star Trek is clout. You have to butter the right people and be part of the right circles and committees to allocate resources to the projects that you want. Having a personal elite starship to fuck around on isn't something anyone can convince their society to give them so you never see that.

The aristocracy of pull?

Daily reminder that Worf moved to shoot at a viewscreen when Q appeared on it and cannot be considered a serious character

All of those things are actually not impossible. 2017 will be an interesting year.

Also rate these guys:
Berman
Piller
Braga
Behr

Behr > Piller > Braga > Berman

>it's an "all human characters must act wooden and lifeless, so that the alien characters will pop" episode

>all human characters must act wooden and lifeless, so that the alien characters will pop
That's actually a really good idea.

Hello, Rick.

Neither the Klingons or the Romulans would ever join the federation. They control way too much space by themselves to just hand it all over to the feds.Almost every Federation species is fucking clown shoes and basically joined to get protection from more advanced species.

We're sort of inexorably sliding into a loose version of what Marx envisioned as an ultimate Communist society.

> fuckin Red shits!!

As automatization becomes more widespread and self-reliant, like some user mentioned a zero-sum situation becomes impossible because nobody can exchange the energy of their work for currency and currency slowly becomes obsolete. We can see nowadays our reliance on virtual money is huge. Combining this with a more and more egalitarian society, globalisation and the decreased importance of troops except in offshore adventures leaves us with something not unlike what Marx envisioned.

Fuck you Rick Berman.

>nobody can exchange the energy of their work for currency and currency slowly becomes obsolete
What in fuck's name are you talking about

I like this idea because it considers the big picture. It's real showbiz engineering. You have this low budget shitshow based on an archaic concept with actors with forehead pasties parading around as """aliens""" and you have to try to create some verisimilitude. idk, I really think it's a nice idea given the context.

a labor theory of value that is a hundred years outdated

damn you rick berman, you ruined this movie too

Googled versimilated or whatever.

Nice.

Post-capitalism. Wealth comes from exchange: a huge part of the population can only exchange their labour: when this is removed, recession occurs and currency becomes increasingly asset-based, and then disappears.

You can like it all you want in theory, but in practice, it gives us the worst of Star Trek.

Star Trek is at its best when the human characters act like real human beings with highs and lows, strong feelings and emotions. They're more relatable, more believable, more enjoyable. Kirk, Spock and McCoy are everlasting cultural icons even though Kirk and McCoy never acted like cardboard in order to give Spock a boost.

TOS used a presentational acting style more reminiscent of Elizabethan theater than anything today that's successful. It's hard to draw a comparison between it and the series that came decades later when television had totally changed, and not only for that reason.

either that or the population that can only exchange their labour is removed

t. alex jones

Holy shit, Gene BTFO

Right, sure, it's just a coincidence that humanlike humans were part of that iconic TOS formula.

And I'm sure it's also just a coincidence that Voyager is the series commonly regarded as the weakest Star Trek series, and that Voyager is also the series for which Rick Berman enacted his decree of stilted acting.

You can rationalize it all you want, but the evidence points to the idea that it was a mistake.

wow, it appears that our friend gene was completely blown out of his fucks!

>ib4 "voyager was best TNG"

It's really easy to draw a comparison between Voyager and shit, though.

Every Star Trek has drama, Voyager has the most.

>everyone hated Kirk
>gay jokes hurt Sulu's feelings
>Uhura made up a story about MLK telling her to stay
>Chapel was Gene's mistress, network rejected Number One over his casting couch antics

>Hurley harassed Bev
>cast & crew didn't welcome Pulaski
>Gene wanted to fire Troi until Bev & Yar quit
>Gene was high/drunk/senile, his lawyer went power mad

>Ben was high, only close to Jake
>Jadzia wanted fewer episodes, Berman's ultimatum was 26 or 0

>T'Pol said Braga was good for T&A, shit at writing
>UPN execs had bad ideas, like real life pop bands ending episodes

>the Native American advisor was really an Armenian scam artist
>Berman mandated humans acting wooden, to make aliens pop
>Chakotay hated his blandness, demanded pay raises hoping to be fired
>Chakotay dated 7 because he demanded a romance
>7 was hired because Braga wanted to sleep with her
>Janeway didn't like 7 ruining her feminist vision, so she bullied 7
>that stopped when 7 slept with Braga, ruining 7's marriage
>when 7's divorce details became public, her ex lost the race for Illinois Senator to Barack Obama
>the bullying was so bad that Kim bursts into treats and cries at conventions
>Kim & Paris avoided the bullying by spending their free time at the snack table
>writers threw fat jokes into scripts over their weight gain
>execs hated Kim when he talked to TV Guide about Berman's decree
>they wanted to fire Kim until People Magazine said he's one of the Most Beautiful People
>instead they fired Kes, her life spun out of control and she fell into drugs & crime
>they still didn't let Kim direct an episode
>Tuvok has no life outside Star Trek, now he's the driving force behind Renegades
>Moore joined but left when he saw the VOY writers/execs "don't give a shit"
>Fuller says VOY writers/execs were disgusted by Star Trek, thought they were "better" than it

VOY was cursed by vengeful spirits, angry at Jamake Highwater for his lies.

They can't. They literally meet Gods in the show

God damm Voyager behind the scenes was a mess. Any more about Enterprise or was it okay?

Mulgrew bullied Ryan, Garret basically said what everyone thought about Berman in an interview and as a result lost his chance to direct. Lien was shafted and it took a mental tole on her as well as the cast who didn't want her to go.

Mulgrew and Ryan made up later though.

>Jolene Blalock (T'Pol) has been critical of many elements of latest Trek show Enterprise before, not least being the development of her own character (story). Yesterday she went a step further and forthrightly attacked the show's administration.

>In an interview in the latest edition of the British SFX Magazine, Blalock noted that she was very pleased to have new showrunner Manny Coto at the helm. But when asked why he wasn't promoted sooner, Blalock launched into a scathing tirade on the Enterprise management, though she did not specify which individual(s) she was referring to.

>"Because it's the same in any industry... You have this head guy who's some kind of ancient old croaker with no concept of the real world outside, with his fine wine and his, er, crumpets," said Blalock. "And what are ya gonna tell them? 'Give it up'? 'Go home, be with your wife, go play golf'? No - then ya got no job! A powerful job is your identity. Give that up, and who are you? What the hell are you gonna do with all that time? You can't tell people what to do anymore!"

>Blalock also reiterated her displeasure with the way her character and the show in general has been taken, particularly over the past season, when intimate scenes were shown involving her and Connor Trineer's character Charles 'Trip' Tucker III. "You can't substitute tits and ass for good storytelling. You can have both, but you can't substitute one for the other, because the audience is not stupid. You can't just throw in frivolous, uncharacteristic... well, bull and think it's gonna help the ratings!"

Why are you even asking us to make sense of a universe where going really really fast causes Tom Paris to turn into a fish?