Tell me why you think Bernie is so bad, Sup Forums

Tell me why you think Bernie is so bad, Sup Forums
>protip: you cant

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his memes are shit

He's a national socialist. Oops, I mean democratic socialist...

G8 b8 m8.

Not so bad? Unless you're a 16-year-old little boy (or have the same mentality,) he's the only choice for president. It's unfortunate that instead it will be Hillary. Hilary, like Obama is just good old-fashioned Republican playing the Democratic part for the theater of politics.

because I work for a living and pay for my own shit

We haven't seen the results of the likely contested Democratic National Convention, so until July 25th Hillary isn't the nominee. The media (lol typical liberal words here) is lying as they're the ones who support Clinton, and want her to win. We won't know until the super delegates vote, friendo.

>yfw only white trash ever say this as if it's an accomplishment

>yfw you feel like there is no shame in collecting welfare checks

Jewish

implying that all liberals and socialists are just lazy sacks of shit
wrong again friendo

no, I'm implying that you want to pour your hearts and wallets out to help people that don't deserve it.

>yfw poor white trash doesn't know how to use the site and replies to wrong person

How's the view from your trailer, Cletus?

>i'm the judge of whether people deserve things! xD

idk how i was supposed to get that from
>because I work for a living and pay for my own shit
but hey, maybe im just a dumb liberal.
>no, I'm implying that you want to pour your hearts and wallets out to help people that don't deserve it.
every person deserves to have an opportunity to work, have a job. and some people cant get a job, so we must help, not be their servants though

I see faggots getting money that don't deserve it at all. The system is broken, and I refuse to support it until it's fixed. It's my money. They have no right to it in the first place. If I want to support someone who is down on their luck, that should be MY decision, not the government's, because all they've done is proved they don't do a good job of choosing candidates for welfare.

Because the minimum wage is bullshit, retards shouldn't go to college and I don't want to live in a neo-Germany

My page was fucked up and I couldn't get the reply box to appear by clicking the berniefag's post-number, so I typed it in manually and i guess I read off the wrong number. Fucking sue me

Unrealistic at best.
Luring people in with free shit.
Never held a real job.
The most noteworthy things in his career is renaming 2 post offices.
Weak leader.

>he's legitimately a retarded small government republicunt on Sup Forums
You realize that the whole conservative lean on this site is ironic right? You're not among friends. You literally too stupid to be here.

The worst part about it is that you think that you're better than a jobless nigger even though your job is the only thing that separates you from them. You're both bottom of the barrel when it comes to the class system. You just convinced yourself that you deserve to have pride for accomplishing the very minimum of what an adult should. If anything, you sound jealous that other human garbage gets a free ride and you weren't smart enough to pull it off. Don't bother replying, it won't be read, Zeke. ;D

Does it matter what political wing he supports?
Sup Forums isn't a Bernie Sanders subreddit, which is where you belong judging by everything you wrote.

Bump faggot well said

A Bernie sanders supporter wouldn't make fun of lower class people like I just did. Either work on your reading comprehension and reasoning skills or remain silent. Understood, baby boy?

It's funny how you think you know everything about me just from my political leanings.

My job is the only thing that separates me from them?

>IQ
>Motivation
>An education
Not to mention that I don't go around killing people senselessly because I feel I am being oppressed.

What exactly is unrealistic? Free college is practiced in many countries, it can work. Healthcare shouldn't be something the rich can afford, it should be for all. And if he is so weak, why is he continueing his fight with Clinton? Why is he trying to reform this broken election system? Why is he advocating for 15 dollar minimum wage, something a person can actually live on while attempting to find a job in this market that keeps shipping them to China? gg

>Missing the point entirely while trying to act superior
Well done, retard.

He has no chance of becoming president anymore.

Therefore, irrelevant. Let's talk about how shitty Hilary is instead?

Did you think this discussion was still happening? LOL

You just got shut down, millennial.

It CAN work, but there is such a focus on getting degrees in the U.S. that the market will be completely flooded by worthless degrees. Other countries have much less people actually getting degrees, so their job markets remain intact. The U.S. will be a shit show with free college

How so? Has the DNC announced Clinton the winner? Or are you still just taking the lies fed to you by CNN and Fox News?
Every person should have the right to an educated, and you're correct it COULD be a shit show, however I believe it can work without the mess, there's always a first, so why not a large scale country try it?

>Free college is practiced in many countries, it can work
Sure, but the problem is the money has to come from somewhere, it's also an issue with society in terms of how common tax evasion is.
>Healthcare shouldn't be something the rich can afford, it should be for all
Last time I went to the US it seemed affordable, but last I heard Obamacare ruined that.
>And if he is so weak, why is continueing his fight with Clinton?
How is he fighting her, though? As an outsider, Bernie Sanders seems like the weakest candidate with the least will to actually do anything.
>Why is he advocating for 15 dollar minimum wage, something a person can actually live on while attempting to find a job in this market that keeps shipping them to China?
Probably because he doesn't understand economics. $15 minimum wage is only going to make things worse, and it's going to automate more of your jobs, which will leave those unfortunate and kids trying to get a job off even worse.

One thing you people always fail to understand is where all of this comes from, where it goes.
I live in one of those Nordic countries Bernie praises so much, and there are some very big differences as to why it works here.
>Small population
>High income tax (40%-50%)
>High VAT/purchase tax (25% on all items)
>Vehicles taxed to an extreme
>Very little job creation
>Extremely high cost to live

I can give more examples, but in the end a lot of what he wants is going to make you lose more jobs.
Do you really think increasing the prices on practically everything is going to create more jobs somehow? That's not how the world works.

Remember, nothing is free. Someone has to pay for it.

Free TUITION for college is practiced in heavily social service reliant countries. Free tuition means you don't have to pay for learning, but you do have to pay for lodging, food, and all that other nice stuff. In other words, poor people still won't be able to afford it and rich people will go for even less money.

Healthcare is more of an opinionated topic, you can either look at it as just by being alive you have a right to taxpayers money to fix your stupid fucking injuries, or people who pay taxes should be able to purchase it for themselves to prove they are worth saving. Capitalism and Socialism.

Bernie rolled over and died when he was mathematically out, had meetings with Clinton and for some reason is still taking campaign donations. I see no ads, he's not running as an independent, why is he still taking money?

The 15 minimum wage will kill small businesses, and only enhance the hegemony multinational corporations possess over the working class, as they continue to outsource jobs for cheaper labour.

Trump is also reforming the electoral system, much better than Bernie.

Large social programs of the type in Scandinavia are only seen in ethnically homogeneous countries. When the demographics shift too far from homogeneous, minorities abuse the system and drain taxpayers like leeches. This is what would happen in America, because as everyone likes to remind us "diversity is our strength".

>Do you really think increasing the prices on practically everything is going to create more jobs somehow? That's not how the world works.
You're correct in a way, however the reason China has so many corporations moving there is because of the almost nil labour laws, and each person is payed almost nothing, It's perfect for companies, if you try the same in America the working class gets pissy and cannot live off of that (minimum wage) and the corporations bring everyone back. If you make it 9 USD an hour it's money, but you won't get by on that.
>Remember, nothing is free. Someone has to pay for it.
Again, you're correct, however (too many however's end my suffering) but like you said earlier in your post that high income taxes, purchase taxes, and vehicle taxes, all help pay for the social benefits. Now, the small population is very different. Socialism and benefits can be practiced on a larger scale, Bernie is strong enough to do so, despite what you said, and the taxes are just going back into what the people need ex. health care, education etc. Americans are not used to it, but it will be a big change that cannot happen over night. It can work, but everyone must try.

>Free tuition means you don't have to pay for learning, but you do have to pay for lodging, food, and all that other nice stuff.
Yes, but many go home each day, in the Nordic countries many go back to their homes.
>Bernie rolled over and died when he was mathematically out, had meetings with Clinton and for some reason is still taking campaign donations. I see no ads, he's not running as an independent, why is he still taking money?
He's taking money because until the DNC announces the candidate, he will run. Super delegates don't vote until then, which means it is contested due to the fact neither has actually went over the needed delegates for a nomination.
>The 15 minimum wage will kill small businesses, and only enhance the hegemony multinational corporations possess over the working class, as they continue to outsource jobs for cheaper labour.
Yes, but unlike China we should have something to live on, we should have conditions that do not danger our safety. They don't care about the worker, they care about money. It's regrettable, don't you agree?
>Trump is also reforming the electoral system, much better than Bernie.
How so?
>This is what would happen in America, because as everyone likes to remind us "diversity is our strength".
Yes, all social programs have people who leech off the system and give nothing back, but the government should help those who leech get jobs and give back to the economy.

>If you make it 9 USD an hour it's money, but you won't get by on that.
That depends where you live, what the taxes are in that area, and what the living cost is in the area. A flat $15 minimum wage is going to increase the price, and in the end, $15 is not going to be enough to live on.
>Socialism and benefits can be practiced on a larger scale
The main challenge with this is the way your countrymen and how different States are going to react to this sudden change.
To Europeans it's standard because it's a part of our culture as homogeneous people to take care of each other, I know that's not always the case in the US, and most other countries with a large population.

The taxes are going to increase the cost of living and prices on everything, just like it has in the Nordic countries. You'll be left with less purchasing power and more angry people.
>It can work, but everyone must try.
This is your problem. What you're suggesting is forcing people to do something they might possibly not want.

In Europe it's fully forced, my Government has more information and power over my bank account than I do, I doubt Americans would look kindly to that.

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>That depends where you live, what the taxes are in that area, and what the living cost is in the area. A flat $15 minimum wage is going to increase the price, and in the end, $15 is not going to be enough to live on.
Yes, assuming the taxes are higher that could happen, but that 15 dollars with social benefits is something you can live on, without a doubt. You don't have to pay for healthcare or college, so you can focus on feeding yourself, or your family, and paying off your debts/rent.
>To Europeans it's standard because it's a part of our culture as homogeneous people to take care of each other, I know that's not always the case in the US, and most other countries with a large population.
You're right, in Europe it's mainly people of the same ethnicity/nationality. Small scales work, and we know that for a fact, however many Americans of different nationalities support Bernie, and some don't. Now, assuming he is elected, sudden change could be hard for many, however (more however's kill me pls) it can work if you get used to it. You cannot have sudden change. Bernie said so himself, 'this is not an overnight change, it takes time.'
>This is your problem. What you're suggesting is forcing people to do something they might possibly not want.
If Bernie is nominated, that's what it means, people don't want it. But if he is, they want it and want to have him taken to the national elections.

Is he even still relevent? Might as well be saying Romney 2012

So people should be restricted to go to uni within living distance of their home? I live in a small rural town where the closest university is an hour away, and it's fuckin tiny. The next serious one is three hours away. You expect people to a) want to do that shit, and b) afford that shit? if that's the best defence you have for free tuition Bernie was doomed from the beginning.

So hypothetically if Bernie loses and announces support for Hillary, you will disavow him then?

China's labour conditions are deplorable, absolutely. But the good thing about America, is that we aren't forced to work minimum wage jobs to maintain an existence. Minimum wage jobs are NOT meant to be a primary source of income. Why do people think working at McDonalds qualifies them the same pay as a skilled labourer? If you want money, get the proper training and get off your ass.

Following up on that point why is it the government, and by proxy, the taxpayers job to get these welfare "leeches" back on their feet? And furthermore what makes you think they WANT to get a job? You see what welfare did to black communities, and in Canada it did the same to Native American communities; it destroys them. Change can only come from the individual, no amount of government handouts will fix the toxic blight that is modern black culture in America.

Now onto the electoral reform. Basically, trump has done everything Bernie has done (not taken large donations from companies or countries, therefore not being answerable to anyone but the people), but with less money, and wildly more success. Visit opensecrets.org to get a good look at the financial breakdown of the campaigns. Trump exposed Marco Rubios complete and utter control at the hands of the establishment, and uprooted a festering cancer that was the Republican Party. When trump took the reigns, it was either you bend or you break, no inbetween. This is something that unfortunately Bernie would never have the spine to do.

This user for president 2016

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What a fucking faggot, you can pay that off in 5 years with a decent degree.

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Look, I've given you plenty of reasons, and I can give you plenty more. In fact, I wrote a post that would be too big for Sup Forums, but then I realized it won't matter - because no matter what I say I cannot get you to see things from a different angle.

In the end, I don't think it would be good for your country, because of how your country works and because of the sacrifices your country would have to make for it to work, one of those being your status as a superpower.

Good luck, all the best to Bernie and his supporters, even if I don't support his politics.

He thinks like a child, everything that comes out of his mouth is utter nonsense that easily falls apart with simple logical scrutiny applied to it.

Heres a whole PDF on why he's so bad. I suggest you read it!

tomwoods.com/d/bernie.pdf

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I greatly respect Kasparov as a chess player (despite how BM he was sometimes), but really I just cannot take him seriously whenever he starts talking about politics.

Because he hasn't had an original thought in over 50 years

That's a great quote :)

Ha doesn't that say a lot. Im assuming Americans cant declare bankruptcy on their student debt which is a problem of government for several reasons, one for the stupid law, pumping billions into the education complex is the other one. If you give universities more money they will charge more money. Once upon a time a person could pay for a degree working a part time job and qualify university with no debts. Even Yale was the equivalent of 2 months worth of factory work. Its a completely different story now. Take away the billions that government sticks into higher education and watch those prices collapse!

Taxes will skyrocket

Pretty short PDF there, so if you don't download it its your loss. Even if you don't plan to read it right away theres no harm in getting it while you've got the link. No matter who you are, supporter or neighsayer.

Think his existing debt would be erased.
>fail

this is how millennials actually vote. it's far easier to make memes about trump than clinton, ergo clinton has more integrity.

Mostly because he gave up instead of fighting til the end

Shill detected, fuck off please.

Literally no person with a clean conscience would vote Hillary.