Can we now agree that this guy is the best player of his generation...

Can we now agree that this guy is the best player of his generation ? (comparing players of different eras is impossible and plain stupid)

-Was already very good and a starter in his NT at 18, in a team that consisted in Zanetti, Hernan Crespo, and Maxi Rodriguiez amongst others
-In his Newell Old Boys days he was a better dribbler than most players in the world, better than guys like Ronaldhino, Kaka or Iniesta ever were
-He was and still is one of the quicket players in the world
-Even though he was never a beast at taking free kicks, he was still quite good at it when playing for Barcelona II
-He was and still is very good at scoring
-He's one of the best penalty takers in the world
-He has saved Argentina's ass countless times
-He ruled La Liga when it was still the best championship in the world
-He won the Champion's League, Ballons d'Or, league titles and such, in a competitive era
-He made two Copa finals, and a WC final, and won an Olympic Medal
-Countless records still belong to him especially in the Champion's League
-He's good at both short and long range passing (even though he's far from being the best here), and is quite good with crosses
-Over the years at Barcelona he became an incredible goal scoring machine, and not only against small teams : he scored a lot against Real Madrid, FC Sevilla and Atletico Madrid for example

You just can't deny that this guy is the most complete player on earth and definitely the best overall, even though he's far from that on a few things (free-kicks and dribbling skills for a few years now)
What he's still doing at 31 is absolutely amazing, players at that age are far from his level

There's only one Messi, and it's Lionel Andres Messi.

in terms of accomplishments? definitely.

as a player TSUUU might just give him a shot for his money, but he just ate a big shit sandwich recently so who cares.

He still needs to win a major trophy for his national team.

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>-He's one of the best penalty takers in the world
-He has saved Argentina's ass countless

He is 29 yrs old

probably de most retarded player out there, caught (twice) evading taxes in a country where everyone evades taxes successfully.

he really needs better company or just maybe concentrate 100% in winning one international tittle with his NT, he's 29 and his time is ending soon.

what year is this kit from? looks fresh AF

yes we can. YES WE CAN

i think 2012 or 13

>no European Championships title

he's shit

Nope.

The only titles he can win now are on his criminal record

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>a starter in his NT at 18, in a team that consisted in Zanetti, Hernan Crespo, and Maxi Rodriguiez amongst others

This is false, he wasn't a starter until late 2007 for the NT

>better than guys like Ronaldhino
Nobody is better than Ronaldinho when it comes to dribbling skills

>one of the best penalty takers in the world
Actually he doesn't even make it to the Top 5, his conversion rate is waaay below Ibra's, Balotelli's or Ronaldo's to name a few

>He has saved Argentina's ass countless times
In friendlies

>Countless records still belong to him especially in the Champion's League
Agreed that most records belong to this guy it's almost ridiculous at this point, but most CL records unironically belong to Ronaldo

>he's far from that on a few things (free-kicks and dribbling skills for a few years now)
What the fuck ? He's like one of the best free kicks taker and clearly the best dribbler in the world right now

>objectively worse than Ronaldo
>best of his generation
Lmao

>this flag
>this topic

>-He's one of the best penalty takers in the world

>THIS flag
>THIS topic

>lmao he missed against chilel
Have you literally started watching football this month? Tha's pretty much the only pentaly he's ever missed for us

>Vs City
>Vs Bilbao
>Vs Atletico twice
>Vs Chelsea

etc

I said for us, ie the Argentine NT

>He's one of the best penalty takers in the world

You now remember Matt Le Tissier, 98% conversion rate in penalties.

but also the most important

Nay, Vidal had already missed his

Messi put it even

>Messi
>autistic manlet
>system babby
>only played in Lel Liga
>no international titles
>misses penalty and starts crying
>brings the whole team down because of this
>quits like the babby he is

>Ronaldo
>hard worker
>played in 3 leagues, dominated EPL when it was the best in the world
>takes Portugal from the group stages and into the final
>injured by filthy french frog
>cries manly tears
>told secrets by moth
>does not give up
>gives speech and encourages team mates from the bench
>wins Euro

You implied that I only posted that because he missed against Chile recently, he's had a bunch of notable misses

Nah

It's funny because Portugal was shit until Ronaldo left the field

>Euro
>relevant cup
Even Greece has one of these, how did Ronaldo do in the last WC? He'll be like 40 years old in the next one so it was his last chance

How many trophies does he have for Argentina? Ronaldo has won the Euro with Portugal. The Euro is objectively the second best trophy in the footballing world. Only below the world cup, and for above the other continental cups. Perhaps 2 Copa Americas would equal 1 Euro.

Olympic gold and U20 WC

Both are more relevant than the fucking Euro, if you don't face South American teams it's an irrelevant competition

Ronaldo would have scored against that shit France defense
>Euro
>not relevant
Lmao, literally the second greatest international cup in the world.

This is simply not true.

I was only meming about the Ronaldo being better part, Messi is ten times the player Ronaldo is. But the Euro part is true. It's far bigger than any other cup bar the World Cup.

I like how the European Championship is degraded into a Mickey Mouse cup simply because non traditional football powerhouses have managed to win it.

In that same sense, the Champions League (and its former format) should be degraded because the likes of Steaua have lifted that trophy, amirite?

HAHAHHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHA

Both are irrelevant, the only relevant international competition is the WC

But an international competition does not measure the quality of a player in the modern era, until the 80s it was the best and most relevant competition, but back in the 80s football wasn't as professionalised as it is today, an amateur competition like the WC isn't that relevant (it is for us, but it doesn't determine how good a player is). Players back then didn't even train and most of them smoked

>tournament where part time dentists are considered a threat
>relevant tournament

Pick one

Quite weird how there have been a few shocks in the Euro (Greece, Denmark, even Portugal) but there never has been a big shock winner in the World Cup, apart from maybe Uruguay in 1950 (even though Uruguay used to be a powerhouse). I guess Turkey came closest in 2002, or Croatia in 1998..

nobody realises this is a tsunaldo post rehashed?

>-He's one of the best penalty takers in the world
>-He has saved Argentina's ass countless times

Well I almost took the bait

Messi should have just became spanish. If it were messi instead of shit costa, spain would have been emperor of football right now having won everything since 2008

I fucking hate him
and every argi player of this generation

Yes, even though he's passed his prime.
People that brings up trophy in those discussions are the same kind of people that brings up box office when talking about which movie is the best.

Can somebody post statistics of Portugal doing better without Ronaldo?
Not just one match, but a numerous matches.

Some Brit already said this yesterday and I'll repeat it.

Messi is the better player and Ronaldo now has the most complete trophy case between them

>better than guys like Ronaldhino
>Nobody is better than Ronaldinho when it comes to dribbling skills
Gigantic bait if you think this is true.Messi has proven that he is best dribbler ever.

>In his Newell Old Boys days he was a better dribbler than most players in the world, better than guys like Ronaldhino, Kaka or Iniesta ever were

Are you implying that you watched those players when they were kids?

lol

No

Ronaldo is objectively better. Just look at his stats compared to Messi in big games.

Ronaldos statistics are far better.

Also 0 ZERO NILL INTERNATIONAL TROPHIES FOR MESSI HAHA
HAHAHAHA

Just stop your level of but hurt is embarrassing

No importa loco, ese detalle es muy importante, era un penal MUY importante para el.

>only relevant international competition is the WC
That's like, your opinion. Many people think otherwise.

Has Messi scored a single meaningful goal for Argentina?

Of course not.

I like how Ronaldo always manages to get hurt during most of his important games

Ya'll niggas use words without understanding them
It's football. FOOT-BALL. The best football players are those who are better at using their FEET to control the BALL.
Then there is Effectiveness or Importance in game, which involves other characteristics, like speed, strenght tactical intelligence and so on.

Then there is Greatness, which involves their accomplishments, their ability to inspire their team and so on. Winning in Cluub is required, but winning in the NT is not necessary, because one may be born in a shit country. But for instance if some player led England to the semifinals and managed to put up a good fight against a nation of professional footballers instead of part time dentists he could be among the greatest too.