Can we now agree that this guy is the best player of his generation ? (comparing players of different eras is impossible and plain stupid)
-Was already very good and a starter in his NT at 18, in a team that consisted in Zanetti, Hernan Crespo, and Maxi Rodriguiez amongst others -In his Newell Old Boys days he was a better dribbler than most players in the world, better than guys like Ronaldhino, Kaka or Iniesta ever were -He was and still is one of the quicket players in the world -Even though he was never a beast at taking free kicks, he was still quite good at it when playing for Barcelona II -He was and still is very good at scoring -He's one of the best penalty takers in the world -He has saved Argentina's ass countless times -He ruled La Liga when it was still the best championship in the world -He won the Champion's League, Ballons d'Or, league titles and such, in a competitive era -He made two Copa finals, and a WC final, and won an Olympic Medal -Countless records still belong to him especially in the Champion's League -He's good at both short and long range passing (even though he's far from being the best here), and is quite good with crosses -Over the years at Barcelona he became an incredible goal scoring machine, and not only against small teams : he scored a lot against Real Madrid, FC Sevilla and Atletico Madrid for example
You just can't deny that this guy is the most complete player on earth and definitely the best overall, even though he's far from that on a few things (free-kicks and dribbling skills for a few years now) What he's still doing at 31 is absolutely amazing, players at that age are far from his level
There's only one Messi, and it's Lionel Andres Messi.
Jordan Sullivan
in terms of accomplishments? definitely.
as a player TSUUU might just give him a shot for his money, but he just ate a big shit sandwich recently so who cares.
Tyler White
He still needs to win a major trophy for his national team.
Jordan Edwards
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Eli White
>-He's one of the best penalty takers in the world -He has saved Argentina's ass countless
Jose Williams
He is 29 yrs old
Adam Kelly
probably de most retarded player out there, caught (twice) evading taxes in a country where everyone evades taxes successfully.
he really needs better company or just maybe concentrate 100% in winning one international tittle with his NT, he's 29 and his time is ending soon.
Cameron Green
what year is this kit from? looks fresh AF
Matthew Reed
yes we can. YES WE CAN
Ayden Brooks
i think 2012 or 13
Samuel Thomas
>no European Championships title
he's shit
Jacob Ramirez
Nope.
John Gonzalez
The only titles he can win now are on his criminal record
>a starter in his NT at 18, in a team that consisted in Zanetti, Hernan Crespo, and Maxi Rodriguiez amongst others
This is false, he wasn't a starter until late 2007 for the NT
>better than guys like Ronaldhino Nobody is better than Ronaldinho when it comes to dribbling skills
>one of the best penalty takers in the world Actually he doesn't even make it to the Top 5, his conversion rate is waaay below Ibra's, Balotelli's or Ronaldo's to name a few
>He has saved Argentina's ass countless times In friendlies
>Countless records still belong to him especially in the Champion's League Agreed that most records belong to this guy it's almost ridiculous at this point, but most CL records unironically belong to Ronaldo
>he's far from that on a few things (free-kicks and dribbling skills for a few years now) What the fuck ? He's like one of the best free kicks taker and clearly the best dribbler in the world right now
John Robinson
>objectively worse than Ronaldo >best of his generation Lmao
Jack Turner
>this flag >this topic
Juan Fisher
>-He's one of the best penalty takers in the world
Austin Ross
>THIS flag >THIS topic
Kayden Rodriguez
>lmao he missed against chilel Have you literally started watching football this month? Tha's pretty much the only pentaly he's ever missed for us
Carter Jackson
>Vs City >Vs Bilbao >Vs Atletico twice >Vs Chelsea
etc
Kevin Bell
I said for us, ie the Argentine NT
Liam Cox
>He's one of the best penalty takers in the world
You now remember Matt Le Tissier, 98% conversion rate in penalties.
Xavier Brooks
but also the most important
Hudson Baker
Nay, Vidal had already missed his
Messi put it even
Jackson Gonzalez
>Messi >autistic manlet >system babby >only played in Lel Liga >no international titles >misses penalty and starts crying >brings the whole team down because of this >quits like the babby he is
>Ronaldo >hard worker >played in 3 leagues, dominated EPL when it was the best in the world >takes Portugal from the group stages and into the final >injured by filthy french frog >cries manly tears >told secrets by moth >does not give up >gives speech and encourages team mates from the bench >wins Euro
Blake Brooks
You implied that I only posted that because he missed against Chile recently, he's had a bunch of notable misses
James Clark
Nah
Jose Butler
It's funny because Portugal was shit until Ronaldo left the field
>Euro >relevant cup Even Greece has one of these, how did Ronaldo do in the last WC? He'll be like 40 years old in the next one so it was his last chance
Thomas Gray
How many trophies does he have for Argentina? Ronaldo has won the Euro with Portugal. The Euro is objectively the second best trophy in the footballing world. Only below the world cup, and for above the other continental cups. Perhaps 2 Copa Americas would equal 1 Euro.
Cooper Brown
Olympic gold and U20 WC
Both are more relevant than the fucking Euro, if you don't face South American teams it's an irrelevant competition
Camden Wright
Ronaldo would have scored against that shit France defense >Euro >not relevant Lmao, literally the second greatest international cup in the world.
Samuel Kelly
This is simply not true.
I was only meming about the Ronaldo being better part, Messi is ten times the player Ronaldo is. But the Euro part is true. It's far bigger than any other cup bar the World Cup.
Camden Turner
I like how the European Championship is degraded into a Mickey Mouse cup simply because non traditional football powerhouses have managed to win it.
In that same sense, the Champions League (and its former format) should be degraded because the likes of Steaua have lifted that trophy, amirite?
Caleb Hall
HAHAHHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHA
Brayden Rodriguez
Both are irrelevant, the only relevant international competition is the WC
But an international competition does not measure the quality of a player in the modern era, until the 80s it was the best and most relevant competition, but back in the 80s football wasn't as professionalised as it is today, an amateur competition like the WC isn't that relevant (it is for us, but it doesn't determine how good a player is). Players back then didn't even train and most of them smoked
Robert Ross
>tournament where part time dentists are considered a threat >relevant tournament
Pick one
Kayden Baker
Quite weird how there have been a few shocks in the Euro (Greece, Denmark, even Portugal) but there never has been a big shock winner in the World Cup, apart from maybe Uruguay in 1950 (even though Uruguay used to be a powerhouse). I guess Turkey came closest in 2002, or Croatia in 1998..
Jeremiah Parker
nobody realises this is a tsunaldo post rehashed?
Hunter Lee
>-He's one of the best penalty takers in the world >-He has saved Argentina's ass countless times
Well I almost took the bait
Ethan Lee
Messi should have just became spanish. If it were messi instead of shit costa, spain would have been emperor of football right now having won everything since 2008
Ryder Smith
I fucking hate him and every argi player of this generation
Parker Taylor
Yes, even though he's passed his prime. People that brings up trophy in those discussions are the same kind of people that brings up box office when talking about which movie is the best.
Christian Gray
Can somebody post statistics of Portugal doing better without Ronaldo? Not just one match, but a numerous matches.
Jason Gomez
Some Brit already said this yesterday and I'll repeat it.
Messi is the better player and Ronaldo now has the most complete trophy case between them
Kevin Sullivan
>better than guys like Ronaldhino >Nobody is better than Ronaldinho when it comes to dribbling skills Gigantic bait if you think this is true.Messi has proven that he is best dribbler ever.
Mason Baker
>In his Newell Old Boys days he was a better dribbler than most players in the world, better than guys like Ronaldhino, Kaka or Iniesta ever were
Are you implying that you watched those players when they were kids?
Parker Miller
lol
No
Ronaldo is objectively better. Just look at his stats compared to Messi in big games.
Ronaldos statistics are far better.
Also 0 ZERO NILL INTERNATIONAL TROPHIES FOR MESSI HAHA HAHAHAHA
Henry Ramirez
Just stop your level of but hurt is embarrassing
Benjamin Jones
No importa loco, ese detalle es muy importante, era un penal MUY importante para el.
Hudson Lopez
>only relevant international competition is the WC That's like, your opinion. Many people think otherwise.
Carson Bell
Has Messi scored a single meaningful goal for Argentina?
Caleb Walker
Of course not.
Dominic Reed
I like how Ronaldo always manages to get hurt during most of his important games
Luke Hughes
Ya'll niggas use words without understanding them It's football. FOOT-BALL. The best football players are those who are better at using their FEET to control the BALL. Then there is Effectiveness or Importance in game, which involves other characteristics, like speed, strenght tactical intelligence and so on.
Then there is Greatness, which involves their accomplishments, their ability to inspire their team and so on. Winning in Cluub is required, but winning in the NT is not necessary, because one may be born in a shit country. But for instance if some player led England to the semifinals and managed to put up a good fight against a nation of professional footballers instead of part time dentists he could be among the greatest too.