Did he die?

Did he die?

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one thing thats always bothered me, those look like burger king onion rings

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Who killed him?

moj guy

The camera follows a guy go to the bathroom in the background to prepare. He's wearing a jacket. It's just a hired guy.

the vipers

Gandolfini was so dedicated to his role that he ate himself to death off-camera.

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Probably not. The whole point of the scene was to represent America and Tony's life. MOJ guy is there to represent This Thing of Ours. Nothing happened, it was just a family having a meal together. Combine that with Don't Stop Believing lyrics and you'll grasp what Chase meant with this scene.

Life goes on. Meadow is pregnant. Carlo flipped, Tony has FBI after him.

this
life went on, he didn't die there, we just stopped seeing a part of this guy's life on screen

But it's too much for Down's braindeads to grasp. 9 years later and they still don't get it. David Chase is a mad, mad genius.

The very name of the episode reveals so much: MADE IN AMERICA. All the conspiracy stuff and ominous shots from the last two episodes are just Red Herring.

he died. he whacked the other guy in front of his family, so he gets whacked in front of his. It's that simple. Don't give me that paranoia explanation. Why would there be 10 seconds of nothing then?

>doesn't know how to end a series
>randomly cuts to black to avoid dealing with this issue
>HE'S A GENIUS!

this is why I stay away from television and focus on cinema. Even the most lauded television show ever is plebian trash

Chase wanted to make it thirty, but plebs like you wouldn't have it

>Why would there be 10 seconds of nothing then?

See, you're an idiot.

And the peace with Brooklyn was already being made. They were bleeding money and gave Tony the ok on Phil. Why start another circle of violence by murdering Tony by a MOJ guy who's there drinking his coffee and leaving fingerprints and eye-witnesses all around? You fucking imbecile.

nigga nobody knew they were going to get together and go to Holstein's, they just decided on it like 20 minutes earlier, let alone New York planning on shooting him in front of his family that very evening

>inb4 that theory of patsy/paulie calling the hit on Tony
that's just reaching

>uses the word "plebian"
> focuses on cinema
> probably a superhero neckbeard fan

Yes, you're truly a lost, mentally challenged nutjob. I reckon The Sopranos were just waaaay too much for your Down's brain and you got shellshocked, your rotten brain almost exploded, that's why the bland Marvel is all you can grasp and enjoy.

Mr. Chase structures the final scene so that a significant portion of it is shown through Tony’s “Point of View” (POV). Chase uses this technique so that the viewer can experience Tony being murdered.
More importantly, Chase uses the ringing of the doorbell to signal to the viewer when he will be using the traditional point of view. This is repeated 5 times in the final scene to create a “pattern” that logically concludes that the last “shot” of the series (10 seconds of black) is from Tony’s POV. The implication being that Tony sees “blackness” and “nothingness”. Tony is dead. So how exactly does Chase do it?

A: Tony walks into Holsten’s and a bell is heard. The door of Holsten’s has a bell that rings every time someone enters the restaurant. Tony enters and Chase starts with a straight-ahead full shot of Tony looking at something in the diner. The scene then cuts to a clear Tony point-of-view shot (hereafter Tony’s POV) establishing the geography of Holsten’s. Tony sees the whole diner which consists of mostly booths and a counter to his left with stools. Chase then cuts back to the prior angle but Tony’s face is shown in close up (still looking straight ahead). The next cut is the previous Tony POV shot of the inside of the diner except Tony is now sitting down at one of the tables in the middle of the frame (this is often called a “jump cut” as Tony is never seen walking to his table). This opening sequence in the diner readies the viewer that they will be seeing certain things from Tony’s POV. The awkward “jump cut” establishes that Tony’s POV will be straight to the door (this will be critical) and that Meadow will have a clear view of Tony’s murder when she enters Holsten’s. The “jump cut” also further signals the importance of Tony’s POV in the sequence because the viewer is again experiencing the prior Tony POV shot; Chase is subliminally putting “us” in Tony’s head space.

I know, but most people need to see a definite, unquestionable ending spoon fed to them, allowing no room for deliberation or otherwise they just call the writers hacks/lazy.

Long story short; yes.

The shots from Tony's point of view establish that we will be in his shoes, the last 10 seconds of blackness is Tony's death. Bullets travel faster than the speed of sound - that's why we never hear the shot. This point is foreshawed by both Sil (in the restaurant) and Bobby (in the boat)

Meadow being late seems unimportant, but without her sitting there the Members Only Guy had a clear shot at him when he came out of the bathroom.

All of that is just a red herring type of stuff. The MOJ guy wouldn't sit there for 5 minutes enjoying his coffee, leaving his fingerprints and eye-witnesses everywhere. He didn't even wear a cap. Go to sleep, kiddo.

Wacking a guy in front of dozens of witnesses is a homage to The Godfather. The "red herring type of stuff" was carefully calculated and he spent 2 years setting all of it up. You go to sleep.

Also, Meadow's "red herring type of stuff" served 3 other purposes:
1. Create suspense (for the viewer)
2. Gives Tony one last reason to look up
3. Distract Tony so MOG can take the shot

No, that shot with MOJ guy going into bathroom is an homage to Godfather, not the possible whacking itself because guess what - we never hear/see the murder, you can only guess. And you guess that way because it's convenient for you. Also a random Brooklyn soldier is no Michael Corleone, aka the son of the most powerful criminal in America to get away with murder. Literally every crowded place hit in Sopranos had hitmen rushing the scene fast and wearing caps/sunglasses. Go to bed, Down's.

There is no need to guess. From a storytelling standpoint, it does not make much sense that Chase, who planned the ending years in advance, would use the final scene to simply make the statement that “this is how Tony will have to live the rest of his life.” The viewers already know Tony will always have to look over his shoulder. The viewers have known this since the beginning (Tony is mafia boss!). Chase could have created a Tony POV sequence to convey this message in any of the other 86 episodes. It makes much more sense that the Tony POV sequence was created to put the viewer in Tony’s eyes at the exact moment of his death. Remember, Tony Soprano is the main character the viewer has followed all of these years. We have been inside his head in multiple dream sequences and have intimate knowledge of his personality and fears through his visits to Dr. Melfi. It makes sense to put the viewer in Tony’s POV at the time of his death. Once Tony is dead, there is no show. If Tony was to die it had to be the last moment of the series. The show ends where Tony’s consciousness ends.

If you knew anything about David Chase, you'd know that an ending scene carefully constructed to troll his viewers was much more likely.

Yes.

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LEL. Your only argument is "Chase planned it for 2 years, must mean Tony's death".

And "Tony's POV means strictly death and nothing else". LEL.

Yep, Chase has always been a masterful troll who hated spoon-feeding and Hollywood tropes. Fucking with his audience was a food for his soul, numerous actors said Chase loved to "make the fans suffer", proof: Russian guy.

>Literally the same person
(You)
There. There's the attention you wanted.

he ain't dead senpai

>season begins with Tony being shot
>youtube.com/watch?v=MjohsyoJjao
>youtube.com/watch?v=fXT2QDqs_RY
>these two scenes both mention death without sound
>meadow is set up as Tony's guardian angel in College and later in Season 6A as she wakes up from his coma
>she is late to arrive at the dinner scene
>everyone is wearing black
>the mosaic in the dinner looks very similar to the house Tony visited in his death dream

Ultimately there is no definite answer but it leans toward him being killed. Tony was fucked either way. He was going to go to Jail. I would have loved to see him rot.

great argument

Watch the scene. Tony sits down. A bell rings, he looks towards the door and we see what he sees. This repeats as his family walks in. On the last time the bell rings, Tony looks up, and then we cut to black. We're seeing what he's seeing. Nothing.

LEL. You're truly Brainless the Third.

>saves picture from ms paint
>typing style changes all of sudden

But he looked up after the bell sound, which means he saw SOMETHING, and we didn't see it. They showed Tony looking up and THEN there was a cut to black. Logic and continuity are not your friends, brother.

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>YOURE WRONG
>IM RIGHT
>IM GONNA SCREAM LOUDER AND CALL U NAMES CUS THATS WHAT ADULTS TO

Thank you for proving my point. Him looking up is MEADOW coming in. His family has distracted him from the MOG for the entire scene, and when he looks up at Meadow, MOG comes out, and just like it's explicitly foreshadowed and flashbacked many episodes earlier: he didn't even hear it coming. The doorbell didn't even finish ringing.

But we didn't see Meadow coming in, you dumb Down's.

Exactly my point. Thanks for playing!

So dumb.

sure

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