So I saw Civil War a little bit back and overall it was pretty good...

So I saw Civil War a little bit back and overall it was pretty good. Just a few questions regarding the plot that I didn't get, was wondering if someone could help me out.

Zemo says he started looking through the encrypted files released at the end of The Winter Soldier in order to put together his plan to destroy The Avengers. In these files, he discovers how to activate Bucky and the fact that Bucky killed Stark's parents.

Does Stark never take a second to at least have someone look through the encrypted files from The Winter Soldier for him? Some low level special forces guy was able to move through all those files and piece EVERYTHING together, but Stark was somehow oblivious to everything, despite having more resources? And if you're saying that SHIELD worked to hide the truth from him, then why is he only upset at Captain America?

Furthermore, how would Zemo even know that Stark never knew the truth? How does he know that Rodgers and Stark didn't sit down over coffee one day and discuss the truth about Bucky?

no one?

fuck you faggot saged

calm down senpai

Simply put, you have a low cinematic IQ, or some sort of Stockholm Syndrome, from overexposure to bland, safe, PC and soulless mass-produced blockbusters, which has conditioned you into accepting the absolute lowest common denominator standards in filmmaking, writing and cinematography as somehow acceptable, when you should in fact feel nothing but contempt or disgust for any Kevin Feige-conceived product.

Even strictly in the field of capeshit entertainment, where the bar has always been pretty low, since they're primarly a children media, the level of genuine quality and creative abilities (which comes from studios giving freedom to an auteur with a strong personality and vision towards the material) has kept dropping since the 90's.

When Raimi's Darkman/Spider-Man, Del Toro's Blade 2/Hellboy, Burton's Batman 2 or Bird's The Incredibles offered innovative and playful set pieces, meaningful and relevant themes, each with a very distinct, appropriate tone and truly cinematic aesthetics (simply compare the lighting or editing to today's equivalents), none of these qualities are to be found in Avengers or any of the previous MCU entries. This is why Edgar Wright got fired from Ant-Man. This is why Feige keeps hiring visionless point-and-shoot directors who come from TV or comedy, colorblind cinematographers and art/set design teams who seem to be in love with grey, sterile hangars for some unexplainable reason. Action scenes are now being conceived by CGI teams months before the movie begins shooting and all follow the exact same formula.

Even as a child, I couldn't imagine being dazzled or amused by those turds, as they're utterly devoid of any charm, colors, magic or imagination.

saged again you fucking queer bitch

Thread is dead, sorry op but your just a faggot

DCuck in full autist mode

holy autism batman

Remember that red book with the black star on it? That was where all the pertinent information regarding the Winter Soldier was, up to and including his missions and his programming trigger words. The only thing Zemo got from those encrypted files was the location of that HYDRA agent who went underground, and the knowledge of his involvement with the Winter Soldier in Siberia.

Even if Tony poured over all of the encrypted data, I doubt he would have found out much more than HYDRA was involved in his parents murder in some way, and he probably figured that out some time after the events of Winter Soldier, anyway.

>In these files, he discovers how to activate Bucky and the fact that Bucky killed Stark's parents.

you didn't watch the film did you nigger

reminder to sage this shit thread

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I'm done with this Mickey Mouse-tier soap opera drama. It doesn't help either that all the fight scenes are edited by a teenager with Tourette's and Parkinson's, it's as if they want to distract the audience from how shoddy everything looks by waving a flashlight on their face. I couldn't give a damn about any of these sterile excuses for characters. During the airport scene all the artificially-inflated conflict devolved into a child playing with one toy in each hand and bashing them together.

It's riddled with sophomoric and shallow pseudo-political ponderings that are thrown out the window when the quiptastic action starts. They completely disregard for the umpteenth time the collateral damage while they're having fun showcasing their flashy abilities.

The third act pretends to get serious when in reality it turns into a cheap heartstring manipulation revolving around "why didn't you tell me Cap waaa".

This part completely disregards the fact that Stark knows all too well that brainwashing and mental manipulation is a thing, let's not forget that he has witnessed it firsthand with Banner. There's no excuse for him to have such a sudden change of heart other than to extend the conflict for another 15 minutes of mindless violence, and leave the manchildren with the impression that they've just witnessed an intricate revenge tragedy.

All smoke and mirrors, the constant quipping is an effective tool to cloud a fanboy's mind and judgement.

Finally, what's left is an entire team of "world-class" heroes that got fooled by a man wearing a Bucky mask. Not to mention that the villain's stale trope was better executed 19 years ago when Scream 2 came out, ironically, a film satirizing this cliché.

If you don't think this is cartoonish and laughable you might be too young to post on this site.

Great thread, OP

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Tony always thought his parents died in a car accident. It's what he's known for so long since such a young age that he's never had any reason to investigate things any further. The only people who even remotely knew like Steve and Bucky never told him anything.

not that Sup Forums was ever particularly good, but holy shit what happened here boys?

fucking lol that gif

most infectious laugh

The plot of the movie dont make sense
Dont think about it much
Lol okay one thing
Zemo got the plan to make Avengers fight coincidentally at same time as Accords to make Avengers fight
Okay but the whole plan was the video, nt necessarily making them fight but dividing Cap and Tony as head Avengers would cause conflict
Okay but now Avengers are dissolved and theres two different Avengers teams now lol. Good job you made more of them!
Hahaha who wrote this

Maybe Zemo saw the presentation about his past.Iron-man was probably open about the fact he thought it was just a crash or didn't know. Captain America could have known from SHIELD. Iron-Man probably never put much thought into finding out he's usually pretty busy with his inventions and ego. Capitan American could have told SHIELD to keep it secret because he wanted to keep Bucky safe because he is innocent .

NIce Copy Pasta. If you don't like the MCU you have a low cinematic IQ

Guy asked a question about CW
DCucks got autistic.

>If they don't like CW they must like DC

How the fuck is the guy saying a thread that no MCUcks can provide convincing answers for a DCuck?

If anything, he's a mad MCUck that doesn't want anyone questioning the shitty logic behind Tony not already knowing things, Steve not sharing things, and the porous, coincidence-riddled nature of Zemo's "master plan."

>saying = saging

DIE DCKEK!!!! NEVER INSULT MARVEL ON THIS BOARD AGAIN

which plan was more idiotic
Lex's
or Zemo's???

Zemo's
You just didn't comprehend Lex's

>Civil war is shit
>state opinion in thread
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kys btw

>Zemo says he started looking through the encrypted files released at the end of The Winter Soldier in order to put together his plan to destroy The Avengers. In these files, he discovers how to activate Bucky and the fact that Bucky killed Stark's parents.
That's your assumptions, themovie doesn't entirely explain what did he find, in fact, he needed the red notebook so the encrypted files don't say have to activate Bucky, he also didn't know what happened in september 91 exactly so encrypted files also don't have that.

>Furthermore, how would Zemo even know that Stark never knew the truth? How does he know that Rodgers and Stark didn't sit down over coffee one day and discuss the truth about Bucky?
He didn't, when you make a plan you aim for a goal, but you can't possibly know every outcome, you just make your homework and expect for the best with that info you got

Zemo's, because Lex didn't have a plan

Lex didn't have any plan or motivation.
He just did random evil shit.

Lex had a great plan. It just didn't account for both combatants not only surviving, but also cooperating.

What if all the Avengers rejected the accords? What if they all accepted?

The accords weren't part of Zemo's plan, or so I understood, he only wanted to make a wedge between Cap and Tony and destroy the avengers from the inside.

That's the problem. If he bombs the meeting just to "drive a wedge" between them, where's his guarantee of it doing specifically what he intends for it to do? How's he to know the U.N. won't just say, "OK, we're tabling the implementation of the accords while you assist in the apprehension of this rogue superhuman," or that all the Avengers won't cave in, sign the accords, then take off after Bucky anyway, or worst of all for him, they all sign them, then get authorized by the U.N. to get him? Literally nothing that happens was a foreseeable outcome, up to and including that what he'd find at the Winter Soldier base would serve to further promote any conflict between Rogers and Stark, or even that Stark hadn't uncovered the links between Bucky and his parents' "accident" himself.

salty