So an appellate court upheld the idea that it's ok to hold 12 year old girls criminally responsible for their actions as adults, and sentence them to a max of 65 years in adult prison.
But god forbid someone has sex with them, they can't possibly make an adult decision about sex. Sweet innocent angels.
Fuck off, pedo.
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The point is to pick one side or the other. It's absurd to hold someone criminally responsible for their actions in adult court and simultaneously say they can't possibly be responsible for decisions about having sex.
Just like you can be canon fodder at 18 but can't drink until 21.
If a woman geta drunk and decides to have sex with someone, she isn't responsible.
If you get drunk and drive, you are 100% responsible.
double standard bullshit
The real point is that rare but fucked up stuff gets rare, severe punishements for individuals while laws protect the majority daily. But you would know that if you weren't autistic
perhaps judge say, hey grass on field play ball.
Who says? Of course a person, male or female who gets drunk and has sex is responsible.
If Consent is given or is mutual, that's that. Where did you neckbeards go to law school?
that's an entirely different issue. i'm not saying they shouldn't be held responsible, the point is they've been adjudicated legal adults and will face charges in adult court and face decades in adult prison.
it should be adjudicated in juvenile court, or 12 should be old enough to be considered responsible for their non-criminal choices as well. one or the other.
>adjudicated
Not a word
Pic related? Who are they and what's the story here?
You really don't see any problem with saying "well, if a 12 year old does something really bad, then they're adults, but if they have sex, they're children." because obviously being responsible for an action with a punishment of 65 years in prison is nothing compared to the consequences of a few minutes of pleasure.
8 or 80 rape is wrong but when someone of sound mind makes a choice then age should not matter
IS TO
12 year old girls who stabbed their friend dozens of times so they could become minions of slenderman, who they read about on creepypasta.
clearly the mind of adults amirite
They did something so horrible, that the court had to treat them as adults, because such a high jailtime wouldn't be possible, if they had been treated as children.
Otherwise, they would have been treated as children.
You would only have a point if 12 year old girl raped someone. The difference in those two scenarios is being the VICTIM or the CRIMINAL. Weak b8 but I have nothing better to do
Yeah but children can't choose to get drunk and make themselves vulnerable
they all sad now
yes and that's the problem.
you're still missing the point. the issue isn't them being treated as criminals, it's that they're being treated as adults.
So...they got 65 years?! That's fucked up.
At this age therapy could really help, prison is gonna fuck them up for good.
>expecting logic and higher reasoning from our criminal justice system
>2016
that's the max for their charges (highest being attempted murder 1)
trial and sentencing is still a ways off, it was just decided by an appeals court today they should be tried as adults. and that issue alone will probably spend a couple more years on appeal to the supreme state court.
No, they're being treated like children who murdered another child.
They don't really matter. The safety of regular kids and society is more important than their lives
if you have an issue with how juvenile court handles it, oppose that. declaring them adults isn't the appropriate response.
by your logic, maybe we should throw 6 year olds in adult prison too?
you are the worst kind of retard
There shouldn't even be the possibility to treat them as adults. For example, in germany it's illegal to do that before the age of 18 IIRC. Youth law can be applied to anyone until age 21 I think.
yes an AP story and national coverage clearly indicates the idea of trying 12 year olds as adults is settled and non-controversial, and anyone who believes otherwise is just retarded.
I totally agree that it is incredibly fucked that kids can only be declared capable of adult choice in order to punish them.
>more well informed and intelligent than most 40 year olds, wants to vote
Fuck off, kiddo, no way you can handle that adult choice, and no way will we create a process by which you can prove you can.
>do some dumb kid shit that results in something that offends society
BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!
But as to your concern about prison versus therapy, I know at least the one girl (who was the primary actor) is being held for psych care, not normal prison. The prosecutor said the reason they chose to pursue it as an adult case was because otherwise in a few years when she turns 18, they'd be dumping someone with severe mental illness and a history of violence on the streets with minimal support structure. Basically, we just need to adjust our whole mental health and criminal justice infrastructure to suck less, but the law moves slowly. It sounds like, given the circumstances, the prosecutor really is trying to do what's best for everyone.
>maybe we should throw 6 year olds in adult prison too?
yes
True, the decision to murder someone vs the decision to have sex are basically the same thing. Thanks for bringing this up, the world is glad to have you. Too long have 30 year olds suffered at the tyrannical rule of consent laws!
>choice
Children cannot choose to have sex, period.
They won't go straight to adult prison. They will be in Juvie untill they are 18 then they will be transferred to real prison.
Do you really want murderers on the street? They did it once for a internet meme and if all they get is a couple years then what will stop them from doing it again once they get out? Age doesn't matter murder is murder.
They wouldn't be a victim if they willing consent to having sex. Not all 12 yo are Innocent.
under the theory that they can't make adult decisions. but if they do something bad, the court just held they can and are just as responsible for their conduct as an 18 year old.
still not an argument for saying a decision to murder makes them suddenly an adult.
Prosecutor doing what's best my ass. Saying 'well she might not be better by 18, so instead of offering a plea for continued therapy as a probation requirement, she should be locked up in jail (where she will be abused, given no help, and come out even worse) for decades. oh yeah. real service there.
That's not even the point. How can a country condamn a 12yo to what is basically a life sentence.
I have no clue what they did but either they are not to be put back into society again because too dangerous >>>> death.
Either they are possibilities for them to be rehabilitated and a reasonable sentence is pronounced.
This is just plain ridicule, the system is feeding lifetime clients to the prison industry and everybody is clapping like its a good thing.
Yes they can. I would CHOOSE to fuck my friend billy in his young boi puss when I was 11
That's fine. A perfectly acceptable stance to take. Just be consistent.
Read the whole post and calm down. We're on the same page.
They stabbed a friend to death as a offering to slender man
the victim survived. they're charged with attempted murder 1.
We dont need children like these to turn into adults who are allowed to drive cars and drink and own guns, fuckem i wasn't that detached from reality at 12. nor fucked up enough to kill smbdy they're getting what they deserve.
kill the one on the right. lefty looks like she would be hot in a couple of years.
fuck that, keep those monsters away from society.
yes, obviously mentally ill little kids are clearly unredeemable and should just be warehoused for a few decades, then they'll come out and not be more dangerous than if someone had gotten them actual help
Here is an article of basically what is going on with them.
They chose to murder, they cannot choose to have sex. You're creating categories of what is "adult" and what isn't, when that's really irrelevant. You kill someone, you're dangerous and therefore should be removed from society. Children cannot choose to have sex because they do not understand the implications, and haven't gained enough maturity to decide whether they should consent or not. It is entirely based on being pressured, and Is therefore rape.
No laws against two kids fucking. We're just not allowed to watch.
By help you mean stuff them full of drugs and hope it works and keeps them sane? Fuck that these two will never be functioning members of society. They attempted pre meditated murder at least one of them will try again at some point in her life if she ever gets out.
So women never actually exist, never have agency, so anything with a vagina is either a child or an animal.
>they will never be functioning members of society
Exactly. They're more trouble than they're worth, thus, they're worthless. Put them in front of a firing squad and keep the important, normal children safe.
You're the one creating categories.
-Make decision to murder? They're adults.
-Make decision to have sex? They're kids.
I'm not even specifically advocating for lower AoC, in fact I find it FAR more problematic that 12 year olds *aren't* being treated like kids.
Incorrect. There's close in age exemptions for some teenagers, but other than that, kids can and will be imprisoned and required to register as sex offenders for life for having sex with other kids.
see: NYT article about Leah Debuc and others.
does the fact that murder has the lowest recidivism rate of any crime mean anything?
Oh I think I heard about that one. Or maybe it was some shitty episode of SVU.. Anyway, no opinion on the verdict really, with children it's very hard to tell, there is often a leader and a sub, leader deserves death, sub is different if you can provide education and positive reinforcement until say 21, you might turn her into a non threatening member of society who had a big fucking laps in judgement when she was young
b8.
>inb4 the whole thread is b8
I know, I just like to argue.
It is a word, he just used it incorrectly.
He should have used adjudged, or simply judged.
I was going to try to argue with you but then I realized there is no point arguing with a fucking pedophile
Kill yourself
No different from this argument....
1) Pay an 18yr old girl for sex and it's prostitution, and therefore illegal.
2) Film it, call it a porn shoot and you're all good.
Fucking rednecks.
Holland & Australia rule. Legalised prostitution and no double standards. Winner.
You murder someone then you're a dangerous liability and no longer have rights. A little girl gets fucked by a 40yo man, that was the man's decision. Not the girl's. So yes, children can choose to murder. They cannot consent to sex with an adult.
After reflexion, its probably not worth the risk. Death for both sounds good. Prison for life is a ludicrous expense.
get off my Sup Forums non-pedo
>consequences of a few minutes of pleasure.
Said consequences may include having to start being a parent at 12 years old and continue as a parent for life, having any of a number of really fun diseases, some of which are incurable an will kill you in a nasty way, etc.
That seems a potentially more serious set of consequences than your disingenuous "few minutes of pleasure." Argue your case more honestly, please.
He's a troll not a pedo. If he was peso he'd be in loli bread right now
Half bait. Despite thousands of years of acceptance and still being legal in a couple places, obviously few people would support saying 12 year olds can have sex
But the issue of holding them as adults for the purposes of punishing them for a crime instead of getting them help through juvie, is a serious topic.
you can fuck off too, i used it correctly.
Conflating two separate issues again. If you find the punishments handed out by juvenile courts inadequate, that's a different issue. And bull fucking shit 12 year olds don't initiate sex of their own free will. it's called puberty.
No argument there doesn't apply regardless of age.
Not informing your partner of STD positive status is already a crime, and by 12 most kids have started puberty and had sex ed.
That's because sex is demonized. In the USA, even just being accused of rape carries more severe and longer-lasting consequences than murder.
If you ever sober up and realized you had drunken sex with some girl, better kill her and burn her body lest you be accused of raping her.
That's the lesson I'm teaching my sons.
Not to mention the fact that no 12 year old fully understands the gravity of her virginity or understands what it means to be a whore. If a 12 year old willingly had sex with an adult, she WILL regret the decision. Thus, children are not capable of consent.
and furthermore, nothing you said discriminates based on age of partner. a 12 year old boy will get a 12 year old girl just as pregnant as a 30 year old, with an even worse outcome.
So are you advocating for criminalizing kid-on-kid behavior too? That's simply untenable after 10 or so.
I had sex when I was 12 and I don't regret it at all
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Tell me, what is the objective gravity of virginity and sex?
Ok, that's fine: But then how can you say she can be held responsible for a criminal action to the same degree an adult does?
Do you think she truly understood that stabbing her friend would result in decades in prison?
Of course they would try to initiate sex. They would also sometimes try huffing paint or jumping off a bridge. As adults it's our job to protect children from decisions that they will regret.
Happened last night
A 26 year old playing Pokemon go was shot multiple times by a 13 year old over his cellphone
Then you're the exception, dumbass. I'm talking in broad generalizations. You have to when it comes to law
I have no desire to fuck a whiney underage cunt but OP has a very valid point.
If you're going to fuck with the judicial system, might as well just fuck them outright.
Was the 13 year old a nigger?
Is this bait? If not then holy shit
That's the woman's decision to make. Once she becomes a woman.
well unless it was forced or coerced regret comes predominantly from learned victimhood.
but that's a topic for another thread. the problem is simultaneously taking that position and the position if they commit a crime, they are presumed to have the decision making capacity of an adult.
holding both positions is insane.
I don't really give a shit about the juvenile justice system, I was just poking holes in your "They murder so we should get to fuck them" statements.
thats why they shouldnt be held accountable as adults.
You're just mad cause you never got mad pussy like me when you were 12
It happened in the ghetto so that's almost a certainty
I hope you go to prison for 65 years.
If you have sex with a consenting drunk female it is considered rape.
California
If they were being treated like children they would be released at 18 or 21
And when does a girl suddenly turn into a woman? No pedo, just curious.
Well the prison sex they are about to recieve I dought they will consent to
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All children should be raised in prisons from birth.
Good thing is you can still pretend that you identify with some gay ass gender and that night you felt female. Get the LGBTQUMNDBJB behind you
I believe that we should throw 6 year olds in adult prison
Some of them are real cocky little foul-mouthed shits
I'd do the one Lon the left.
The problem is this. The demarcation between child offenders and adult offenders. There is no way to try a person as a child, without them being released at age 18. So they get tried as adults, so that they can serve longer sentences, and NOT get early release.
They're ugly nerds that need to be killed straight away. Especially because they were 'obsessed' with 'slenderman'. Fuck off, super mario gooby shit children.