You have 5 seconds to explain why you aren't voting for Bernie

You have 5 seconds to explain why you aren't voting for Bernie.

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because it's too late to vote for bernie.
our only choices now are trump and hillary
hillary is out because she's more corrupt than the ashbringer
that only leave trump
make america great again

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Because I'm voting for Mickey Mouse.

Didn't get nominated... lol

Lulz

But mickey mouse will vote for hillary just like he voted for obama.

because of her.

because you can't.

Lol. I'm a veteran, still in great shape. You are an overweight justice warrior who thinks of doing something, but have no guts. I highly doubt you have even hit anybody in your life. I have over 5 years of various martial arts behind me , as well as some moderate success in mma fights. Your experience doesn't mean shit as you have zero.

Rare bernie.
Do not share.

Because after being cucked by the dnc he's now being cucked by shilary. Its for the best what if he became president and actually needed a spine

Memed

Primary's over.
Da Bern will have a role, but drumpf srands for everything Bernie opposes so I'm with her

>Evidence of how little some basement dwelling Trump worshippers have to fill their time with.

Because his ideas suck and would be a shitty prez. Plus he wouldn't get shit through congress. Bernie fucking sucks.

he isnt the fucking nominee

Jill Stein all the way,
or if you like egotistical authoritarians you can vote Trump or if you like vile neoliberal repshillians you can vote Clinton

I don't vote

Why you so mad?

you need to make your pasta longer and more funny if you want it to go anywhere bro

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because i'm living in France.
But if i was american, i will vote for Bernie

He wants communism

Cuck.

No he wants social democracy, he's a reformist candidate and always has been. If we had an actual mainstream politician advocating genuine radical socialism or communism, aka workers owning the means of production, then we'd be in business, comrade.

>Voting for either of the two major parties
>Even Trump
>Not a cuck

I'm not a US citizen

Bernie cucked vote Jill

Do you even watch his speeches

I guess it's your opinion.

You can put his name on the ballot

C'mon, even Cruz has a bigger spine than Bernie.

Hillary will win you bernout cuck.

This. Disney does some shit behind closed doors.

Well I already said I'm not voting Hilary, not sure what your picture is meant to imply. Even if it were Bernie with the nomination I'd still be reluctant to vote Dem. If we've learned anything from the past few decades of American politics its that the two party system has been working exactly as it was meant to: co-opt and neutralize actual threats to the status quo while keeping the public as disillusioned and depoliticized as possible.

You sould support one of these. Voting for bernie will do nothing.

Inb4 voting 3rd party will make (whoever) win.

Mad

His rhetoric gets about as firey as FDR's did regarding the billionaires who have been looting our country since the 1970's. His policies would likewise be about as radical, which is to say not. He'd make common-sense Keynesian reforms to the economy, which is a far cry from a radical socialist overhaul. Keynesianism is still capitalism at the end of the day.

In any event its almost certainly too late for such reforms to unfuck things in any major way.

>our only choices now are trump and hillary

herp wut r 3rd parties

Finally an user with an ounce of principle. Lesser-evilism and anyone advocating it can fuck right off.

I'm very disappointed in him. He always stuck to his principles until now. But he just sold out like everyone else, went with the way the wind is blowing, and endorsed the literal devil.

I hate welfare, and socialism when talking about anything other then prisons and schools.

Same

He said from the very beginning he's throw his support behind anyone who managed to get the nomination, which was our first red flag that this guy was probably gonna end up breaking bread with the establishment and betraying his movement.

Don't get me wrong, the way he got Americans repoliticized and excited about politics again definitely made me raise an eyebrow, but at this point any actual leftist with a spine is going to have to go 3rd party. Hilary does not represent us.

Your a cuck if you vote for corruption.

Socialism is the workers owning the means of production. That means that wherever you work, you are equal part owner with everyone else. There is nothing inherently socialistic about roads or schools or prisons.

If nothing else, Sanders has managed to completely fuck up the public's conception of socialism with his campaign.

this is why
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derp the 3rd party people are all trash. Would you let a janitor run your local school? fuck off.

"Democratic socalism" aka nordic camitalism is not really socalism it's welafare capitalism with a shit ton of regulations.

>Get cheated with a rigged primary
>still vote how the masters tell me too.

If we the people stand up together we can bitchslap some sense into the DNC.

If we bend over and take it up the ass then they know they can do with us as the please because the sheep vote as the masters tell them.

We will only have to deal with 4 years of trump because he is going to fail so hard it will make bush look good.

We the people have a choice. Take it on the chin for 4 years. or take it up our ass for the rest of our lives.

Exactly, and now every dickhead in America with a facebook has seen a thousand Bernie memes telling them that that is "socialism." As if the Cold War didn't fuck up our political perceptions enough already. Its fucking Orwellian.

Both sides for some reason can't even google it. The right thinks it's communism and the left thinks is anti capitalism.

>>Get cheated with a rigged primary
>>still vote how the masters tell me too.
sad, but 100% true

I'm donating $50.
Match me

I think you may be slightly optimistic about the impact Trump will have, but I otherwise agree 100%. 3rd parties aside, if it has to be between Trump and Hilary then I'll go Trump all the way, and I say this as an ardent leftist.

Trump is actually to the left of Hilary on some issues, Hilary is the most right-wing candidate the DNC has run in history and represents everything wrong with the status quo. A vile, unscrupulous, fractally-corrupt, dishonest, neoliberal harpy who will keep towing the same line that's been slowly killing us for the last four decades.

If she wins then next time the Trump-like politician WILL win, and handily at that, only instead of Trump it will be someone supremely more ideologically coherent and dangerous, like Cruz. That scares me more than Trump.

>implying Jill Stein and Gary Johnson aren't better, morally superior versions of the major party candidates

Hey, the problem, fucking kill yourself.

>thinking either of those losers are even worth remembering their names
>no trigger warning on a suicide comment
hey, the problem, (trigger warning) fucking kill yourself.

this

It was even before that. He used to support the right to bear arms but then he pulled a 180 and jumped on the Obummer and Shillary bandwagon to rail about the evils of guns. But I guess I'm an odd liberal in that I like guns and dislike niggers.

>at this point any actual leftist with a spine is going to have to go 3rd party

Agreed. But Americans have no real notion on what a liberal even is anymore. We have either Democratic politicians, who play the same corporate money game as Republicans and are moderates at the most. Or mentally unstable SJWs who have hijacked the meaning of "progressive" and are basically the left's equivalent of flat earth creationists. When an actual liberal candidate comes in, everyone thinks he's a communist.

Stay comfy, Stalin

Stay comfy, stalin

Stay comfy Stalin

I'm not a liberal, I'm a Marxist through and through, and I LOVE guns. If the state is gonna be packing heat the people absolutely should as well. As for niggers lets just agree to disagree.

And yeah I feel you man. Identity-politics have completely purged the left in this country of any remotely radical impulse it might have had left over from the Cold War. Its as much a part of the neoliberal project that's destroying us as plutocracy and globalization.

Personally, I think the country is actually fucked, like irreversibly so, and we just need to wait for the empire to collapse and things to get bad and then level out again. I feel like the neo-fascism is about to come into power, but that it won't last too long and will maybe prompt the left to develop a spine again. Things will get bad but those who survive will be well-positioned to take the country into a better direction. There's just no easy answer to the perfect shitstorm of environmental, economic and political collapse we are caught in the center of.

Because you no longer can and because I'm not even an American. Oh and because his promises are less plausible than Mexico wall.

Voting for Hilldawg. Bernouts and Trumpcucks need to get with the program.

Stay comfy, Stalin

Because he doesn't have the nomination and will not be on the ballot.

He's a socialist piece of shit, and Trump will be the best president in history.

>get with the program.

stay comfy, stalin

I feel strongly that we will mirror the Roman empire until the very end. Our downfall will certainly come from within as the ruling class escalate their struggle for power.

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We have enough jews

Stay comfy Stalin

I hope our downfall will mirror a different empire, maybe the British. A bit less messy for us and at the end of it there will actually be a Rome left to take its place in the period of post-unipolar hegemony.

We do have two oceans to defend us from the proverbial barbarians at the gates (Muslims). And we have the technology and capital to adapt to a changing climate. As with most things, the brunt of the blow will be felt by the third world as instability will ripple through the soon-to-be power vacuum we shall leave in our wake.

I do firmly believe and accept that this great change and the inevitable difficulties that it will bring are certain to happen in my lifetime. The only thing that makes me hopeful is all of the potential for improvement we will have once the coming conflagration dies down.

voting for the third party is infact the epitome of lesser-evilism

also, both the green and libertarian party are for faggots, literally.

Stay comfy, Stalin

The two party/FPTP system dictates that if I don't vote for Hilldawg, then Trump wins

I don't believe socialism works

Don't vote 3rd party us Democrats want you back.

Because he betrayed us to suck Democrat hind teat.
#WeBeenBerned

How does voting for what your principles deign you to in any way, shape or form represent lesser-evilism? Lesser-evilism is saying that "I don't like this person, but I will vote for them because I dislike the other likely winner more." Voting Stein or Johnson is saying "I know this person isn't likely to win, but they truly represent my ideas so I will vote for them anyway."

Shit does not compute

True, but that doesn't mean you should buy into it. Its not like they'll be reforming FPTP/single member districts anytime soon.

Are those Jews?

>implying any variation of socialism will work in America

And the hopelessly tortuous election laws will have your entire ballot invalided for containing a "distinguishing mark".

Why bother voting? It only encourages them.

It may be a mostly petty ritual at this point, but I still can't help but think we should use it or lose it. The lower and more consistently low voter turnout becomes, the more audacious they will become, maybe to the point of entirely doing away with voting altogether.

And besides, they can fudge the vote but only so far. The more people vote the harder it is for them to squeeze around the will of the people. If even a quarter of the public went third party they would be insane to ignore that.

She has ways of making you conform.

>The two party/FPTP system dictates that if I don't vote for Hilldawg, then Trump wins
no thats not what it means retard.

this logic would imply that if you didn't vote at all then it's tacitly voting for ALL candidates. makes no sense.

>barbarians at the gates
This generation's bugbear is Moslem. Before that, Mexican. Before that, Negro. Before that, Eyetalian and Irish.

because you are giving tacit consent to a 2 party, lesser of two evil political system, which is FPTP.

voting for a third party candidate doesn't change that, it just makes you feel better about yourself because you are supporting the "lesser evil" political option.

Gore Vidal presented a theory back in 1974, that a new Constitutional convention would be triggered by law once voter turn-out dropped below a certain point. Be nice to find that essay again and work through his reasoning.

No they are Hillary supporters.

hello

because im not a cuck black lives matters fanboy you fucking cuck shitstain faggot

He literally told me not to.

there's no reason to vote for anyone because its all fake. be it bernie, hillary or trump they all follow the same agenda. I vote for no one. I don't want to play any part in this game.

Hmmm interesting , I'd have to see his reasoning though. I suppose the idea would be that our limited democracy acts as a rubber-stamp/steam valve for our elites to fabricate legitimacy, or "manufacture consent" as Chomsky put it. If voter turnout dropped so low that the entire thing lost any legitimacy then maybe, maybe something would have to give.

But it is still based in principle. By your logic everything is lesser-evilism, even if you were voting for someone who literally thought everything you did it would still be the "lesser evil" in a FPTP. Sorry, I just don't agree.

Yeah gonna have to side with Christopher Hitchens on this one. The religion of Islam represents a very real and potent threat to western society and its inheritance of the enlightenment because unlike all those previous peoples, Muslims are actively opposed to assimilation and believe their faith is the true and final answer to all of mankind's problems.

>implying that she gives any fucks about Bernie's views and opinions and will execute them

Stay comfy, Stalin

Because THIRD PARTY WON'T WIN this fucking election is so fucking big between dems and reps. VOTING THIRD MEANS THROWING YOUR VOTE AWAY. I rather see $hillary in office than the fucking clown trump.