That's a damn good question, right there

That's a damn good question, right there.

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Property taxes in general implies you are renting and don't actually own the land or anything you have

Taxation of individuals and their property is theft

Go google what a constitutional tax would be. More than enough to cover all services the government provides as long as we cut out the billions of wasted money and failed programs.

Land belongs to whoever controls the troops that control the land, I.e. the gubment. /thread

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this.

The executive government of the nation controls its land area.

If a nation taxes you, it is taxing you as you are a subject of the nation, in the same way you are subject to the laws of the nation. In return you gain citizenship of the nation-state.

And if you really think that taxation is "theft", then I presume you didnt get any school education, didnt have running water, electricity, sewers, any local police, fire or hospital services, all the roads are dirt with no asphalt, your country doesnt have any national military at all, and you dont get any state pension when older, and your parents never got a penny of state child support, etc?

Must be pretty shit living in a mud hut in somalia.

Government is a social contract. You subscribe to services such as police protection, fire/rescue, military protection from extra national threats. By doing so you give up some of your rights such as the rights to do whatever you please without consequence. Don't like it? Then why are you here?

None of you yards get what I'm trying to say! If you look at the image it CLEARLY suggests that we pay to many taxes, and not that we shouldn't pay any

Well now you're just splitting hairs.

Government conquered the earth. You are free to try to kill them and take the Land back.

I count myself lucky that the powers that be allow me to have a life with the semblance of freedom. Beats being forced to pray to Allah 100 times a day or face execution.

The land belongs to whomever can kill you if you say you don't have to pay them for living on the land.

we dont pay the government any sort of taxes....enjoy your....freedom Amerifags

I'd rather pay taxes than be a sandnigger.

It's actually 5 times that Muslims pray to Allah.

you're an idiot, do you have any idea how much it costs to keep the country running?
unless you're paying to drive on the roads and highway directly, you pay for it by paying taxes, same for absolutely everything the government supplies to its people - infrastructure, police, social security, education, what fucking country to you live in so this isn't absolutely apparent to you?
bad government = bad country
expensive government = good country to live in

Yeah call me the idiot you socialist commie! Social security? Ha! Why do I have to pay for some nigger somewhere who chooses not to work and be carried by hard workers like me?
The fuck outta here, bitch

I'm glad that I wasn't required by law to know that.

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Well I am an atheist living in Canada so I'm not sure what law your referring to

Well shitty social programs aside, paying for roads, and police are absolute necessities for a good country. Education could be privatized tho.

he said using the written language that the sandniggers invented ...

You can live totally rent free in the mountains, what you are paying for is generally

The shelter (your house or apartment)
All the work that has gone into giving you a life of a king (water, internet, cable, tv)
And all the other amenities you take for granted that you did not put there yourself (school, roads, defense, fireman, welfare, emergency medical care)

If you want to live rent free you can go right along and find some cave in the middle of no where and I doubt you'll be hassled

Islamic law. I'm not saying you follow it, but if you did you would be required to know it or face death.

have fun going bankrupt for a minor injury that costs a shitton because of privatized healthcare

government does not = communism

I remember when I was 13

Haven't done much since then though huh.

you tithe to god, so...

Lol no. That guy sounds more like an old Ron Paul supporter than anything.

>stands against everything Bernie stands for
>gets accused of being a Bernie supporter

But governtard DOES = tyranny. And when they have tyranny, they can just take whatever they want from us to benefit themselves!

>Education could be privatized tho
hahahahaaa, they can easily coexist (and they do - at least in my country). total privatization would be a fucking nightmare wherein only the rich can get higher education
ever heard of student loans? yeah? I didnt, because my country isnt a fucking shithole that makes you a money-slave for having good education

Because if you don't the government will put you in jail

Ah to be young. Listen if the government isn't taking money from you it's gonna be anarchist raiders raping and murdering you. Pick your poison.

>a question a 12yr old would ask
Ask your teacher during social studies

I actually don't quite get what you're trying to say here. What can coexist? And I personally wish private education was more common in America. Competition makes everything better.

Young? In fucking 45 you indoctrinated pleb
Now your just fear no getting! That wouldn't happen in a million years as long as the governtards keep they're filthy disgusting hands away from my freedom and my guns

Sure they have! They tried learning to fly a plane a few years ago, it just didn't turn out very well

It's called a social contract

Sure man if you think you can handle yourself then just hightail it to Africa and enslave a local populace to support you. It's practically anarchy out there anyway.

>Yeah call me the idiot you socialist commie! Social security? Ha! Why do I have to pay for some nigger somewhere who chooses not to work and be carried by hard workers like me?

Because giving Jamal's mother £150 dollars a week coming from the other 200 million taxpayers each paying 0.00000075 cents a week means that Jamal might not end up a murderer, costing the government 30,000 a year to keep in jail. Or it means that Jamal's father isnt stealing your TV to make some money for food. And Jamal's getting an education, so might buck the stereotypes, and become the next Stephen Hawking, go to Harvard, and make the nation a trillion dollars by discovering the answer to interstellar spaceflight, etc.

A tiny sliver of your money going to support those who you imagine "chooses not to work" (even though the reality is that they are probably already working 80 hours a week in some shitty service job that treats them like dirt, and still not paid enough to afford to live a decent life) is an investment that prevents them from costing the state, and you, more in the long run.

How could I have forgotten. Excellent point my friend.

no government = no tyranny? how would that even work, moron. a democratic government is quite the opposite of tyranny, its basically the reason we made that stuff, because people were tired of dictators / tyrants

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I have a gun, so your register belongs to me, convenience store clerk.

If I mow your lawn, without asking, am I entitled to everything you own?

I didn't sign any contract

> That wouldn't happen in a million years as long as the governtards keep they're filthy disgusting hands away from my freedom and my guns

a (cheap) state-financed education system along (expensive) privatized education
there's no reason to have ONLY privatized education, its fucking horrible

Well you're welcome to try and disobey the contract and use that excuse. I won't be trying to stop you.

That's a thug's argument.

I think that it has been years since I have seen an intelligent conversation on Sup Forums. It's just the lowest form libertarians sucking each others dicks nowadays.

I could see that.

Looks like you're starting to understand.

The reason is to not steal.

Fuck you and fuck that pipedrean of yours! It's not just Jamal, it's the millions of other that choose to fuck hardworkers like me by claiming "ugh I can't work give me money so I can buy drugs an fuck whores and play basketball"
If he wants to go to harvard he can PAY FOR IT HIMSELF
I don't think o can get my SIMPLE MESSAGE out to your fucking libtards. I wonder why that is... OH WAIT ITS CAUSE YOUR A LIBTARD

>If I mow your lawn, without asking, am I entitled to everything you own?


1: if you imagine it is "everything you own", then you are completely delusional, to the point of being a fucking retard.

2. Are you trying to say you do not want electricity, clean water, sewers, libraries, a fire department, police, a hospital, an education for children you may eventually have, or any paved roads?

Are you utterly living in la-la-land, or are you simply a fucking moron?

I already understood the government was a protection racket. You were supposed to be defending it.

government stole land

we pay because we are afraid of police

Depends on what was previously agreed. If you came to me with an unparalleled army and claimed you were entitled to my property, I might just agree with you.

From the Martians.
Boy, did they back the wrong horse.

So how much am I entitled to for mowing your lawn without asking? Based on what principle?

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I don't need to defend the government. It defends itself just fine.I'm simply saying that claiming you don't owe the government for that protection is wishful thinking.

Just take a look to africa, they dont pay shit and look how they live, like fuckin animals

Well it's been a fun discussion bros, I've got to shower before work. Try not to bite each others heads off too much.

>I don't think o can get my SIMPLE MESSAGE out to your fucking libtards. I wonder why that is...


That's because its a "simple" message, for very complex problems, and you are clearly so ignorant of reality that you struggle to grasp the complexities.

Sort of like a child, you're leaping on to the simple answer, because anything more difficult is too much for you to comprehend.

And the "liberals" who you scream at in anger, are a little more intelligent than you. They understand that a 3-second soundbite is not the solution. that a "simple answer" does not solve the issues.

That is why, when you start screaming about "SIMPLE ANSWERS!" etc, those people around you stop listening to you. Because you're a fucking mongoloid.

I agree kinda
>forced to pay for Obama care

A social contract is a concept, not an actual piece of paper.

Fucking either go to school or stay in it. Politics is not for you.

And perfected it

you are so retarded
the streets and all the infrastructures and all the state jobs
someone has to pay for them

>So how much am I entitled to for mowing your lawn without asking? Based on what principle?

I presume you have difficulty comprehending the idea that "your lawn", and "the nation-state" are not the same thing?

Federal tax is theft.
Tax can be theft because alot of people are getting taxed for things they shouldn't be.
Like bedroom tax in the uk. That shit is illegal by law.
>Two words.
Tax havens.
>democratic government is quite the opposite of tyranny
Untrue, a democratic government can be tyrannous.
Not all dictators were tyrannous.

for roads n stuff

government pay from taxes, it would be cheaper for ppl to pay directly to a firm building a road

Fuck you libtard sheeple
It's you who doesn't understand how morally complex it is for the governtards to STEAL my hard earned money
It isn't complex! You work, you get to keep your money. If you don't, then your not fit to live! It's a simple solution to a SIMPLE OROBLEM

>OH WAIT ITS CAUSE YOUR A LIBTARD
Topkek.
I'm not even user you replied to but the system that's in place isn't beneficial to you.

Checked

you are fucking dumb

I'm fine with the overhead if it means I don't have to organize it.

they actually started offering services, like fire department, on a per contract basis in some cities/districts of the U.S. people loved it, until they chose not to pay in and their house caught on fire.

there was a story aboutique a year or two back it happen, the fire department just showed up to make sure that the fire didn't spread to the other houses that did sign the contract and just let the house burn to the ground.

Yeah he system ISNT BENEFIVIAL TO ME. They have to stop stealing from me for it to be BENEFICIAL

I don't. The government hasn't protected me whatsoever.

infrastructure you fuckboy

Read The Social Contract by Rousseau.

the rothchilds, dipshit

but now you have to pay for all the roads and in ancap you would pay only for the roads you use/want

Yup, those rich people really need to stop stealing from everyone.
But as long as the laws are in place it's not a crime. Hell, it wouldn't matter if there weren't any laws in place because they still get away with it.

>but, muh roads

because government isn't incompetent?

Well germany used to own my contry but then England and USA decided that germany should own fewer contries so i guess my government "bought them from england and USA.

That's a stupid fucking question. Think about what your tax money goes to. You aren't paying rent to the government faggot, you're paying for social programs, infrastructure, military and civil defense, salaries of public servants (you know cops, firefighters, beurocrats, elected representatives, judges, prosecuters, public defenders, etc.) and a whole host of other things.

You arent paying to live on Earth. You're paying to live in a country that provides you with necessary goods and services.

Maybe if you ever become a functioning adult you will grasp that reality. I know it's hard to when you live in mommy's basement and have no true responsibilities.

you pay a smaller percentage for all the road, instead of a higher for only the ones you use, because others are also paying for all the roads.

so it balances in the end.

Rich people aren't the ones stealing.

It's the poor people that steal.

What are you talking about?

>Implying this is actually the case.

Technically your money belongs to the state. You are using the currency they own.

>It's you who doesn't understand how morally complex it is for the governtards to STEAL my hard earned money

Says the man who doesnt understand the idea of social responsibility, regional or state infrastructure, the education of the masses, the socio-political impact of poverty on the poor and the interrelated impact on the economy as a whole, or, indeed, any of the real issues.

No, the big issue is the massive injustice that he has to pay 30% of his income in tax, and has yet to comprehend where any of it goes, but has been told by some swivel eyed nutjobs that its paying for black people who "dont want to work" and that's enough to get him frothing at the mouth in rage.

Yes. Clearly, its us who "dont understand".

Sorry, I might have used too many big words there for you. lets try a simple version.

>You pay tax. Tax pay for good things. Good things help you. Good stuff help everyone. Everyone helping together makes place gooder.

There. was that too complex, you fucking ranty crotchweasel?

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Someone failed civics.

>Being this retarded.
Here's your tinfoil fedora.

>Implying our tax pays for good things.