>Ned felt Bran's presence during the tree
>Bran can go back in time but not change anything unless he actually changed it himself
>Ned probably felt Bran's presence before he was executed as he realized he was about to die
>Ned definitely whispered something before being decapitated
So what did Ned whisper to Bran who was without a doubt observing his execution?
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Thank fuck I'm done with this show
Apparently Sean Bean didn't even watch a single scene
If he went back in time and stopped himself from climbing that tower where he fell what would happen? He wouldn't have got his powers so he couldn't have gone back in time and stopped himself from climbing which means he would have climbed and got his powers. This is all very confusing
I couldn't stop himself because it's already done.
There's nothing confusing you stupid shit.
YOU CAN'T CHANGE THE PAST.
He. Can. NOT. Go. Back. And. Change. The. Fucking. Past.
Everyone on tv is retarded. Fuck y'all.
Why you gotta make me laugh so hard
See you next week
Didn't young ned acknowledge him though? How could that have already happened?
I think a better way to say it is that he's already changed the past, we're just learning how as he is
What if he goes back to before he changed the past and changes his mind on what he's going to change
Young Ned noticed him before Bran saw it in the vision. It always happened, only when we first saw it was when Bran first saw it.
Well yea... But that dude was talking about like now why doesn't he just go back. People all over the board don't get it. I honestly think it's trolling. But yes, that's a better way to put it.
Bran wasn't even alive then so how could he acknowledge him you spacca
He already decided. Even if he does go back to that point he can't change what he decided the first time. It's a loop that will always be the way it is.
Didn't Bran going back to that moment cause Ned to feel his presence though? How could it have happened if Bran wasn't born yet?
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Because he didn't actually see Bran. He didn't notice Bran his son, he noticed a whisper in the wind.
then who was whisper?
He went back there because the Raven took him there. Most likely so Bran could realize he could affect the world through his visions.
Who sez? If the people can see him, touch him and hear him then he can change what happens
No, his mind can't already be changed if he's just thought of it in the present but hasn't gone in the past to change it yet
Jesus, how retarded are you?
People can't see him. They can't touch him. They can hear him some times. The night king touched him because he's the night king
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I swear all the normies I know that watched it get it already.
NO BECAUSE HIS CURRENT MIND WOULD BE CHANGED BY LAST LOOP OF EVENTS, IT GOES ROUND IN A CIRCLE WITH EVERYTHING IN THE CIRCLE WRITTEN IN STONE
>Why cant he change the past
BECAUSE IF HE HAS CHANGED THE PAST IN THE LAST LOOP ITS ALREADY CHANGED
If he made the whisper from present time then he is affecting the past, how could a bran that doesn't exist make a noise?
>People can't see him. They can't touch him. They can hear him some times. The night king touched him because he's the night king
These are just stupid arbitrary rules that you just made up.
Oh so nobody can touch him except the night king because durr he's the knight king. And you're getting on at me for not understanding this time travel shit when even the writers aren't consistent with their rules and writing.
Yeah but how does Hodor lose his mind in the first place if bran can't change the past?
Bran wasn't there in the past.
Who doesn't he just warg into every Lannister in the past and make them all downs syndrome
You just said it yourself. He can change the past but it just starts a new loop so the past has been changed but to him it feels like it hasn't, but the audience still know it's been changed
this
just go watch harry potter 3
it explains fixed timeline timetravel pretty well
He did exist. But he's seeing what he already did. He can't affect it any longer after the first time. The part with Hordor already happened. We were just seeing it unfold. He alters it only one time. The time we saw. Can't change it in any other way.
Come on user. He didn't change the past. He was in the past and make him retarded. It's not changing the past, it's only what is supposed to happen.
So you are all missing a huge part of the time-travel aspect. Evidently your tiny heads are literally imploding, which is amazing because it means you are literally more retarded than dabid + dabid.
If Bran arrives in the barrow with Hodor rather than Wylis, then the "Hold the Door" event has already taken place sometime in Bran's future. Therefore if Hodor exists and not Wylis, Bran definitely has fucked up in the future.
It is removing the requirement of cause --> effect. Here effects can come before causes and therefore effects can 'cause' the cause in a sense.
You follow me you dense PoS? If the cause has happened at ANY time along the timeline, the effect will be felt. Like normal time progression, you cannot stop an effect from taking place after the cause.
Good call. And Twelve Monkeys too. A lot of people could use it.
That's a terrible explanation and I'm on your side.
Or should I say, "You cannot stop an effect from taking place if the cause takes place." Chronology no longer matters for le ebin stork of 420 greendreams.
No, they're arbitrary rules that the show and books set. How stupid are you? He's literally entering memories. He can affect the past to some extent through the memories. He doesn't need to exist in the past to do so.
The night king is a magic being. This is a fantasy show. Bran is literally a ghost when visiting the past and the magical zombie king saw it.
There haven't been any inconsistencies, just you being retarded
Yeah but what happens if Harry just decided he wanted to kill somebody when he was back in time saving buckbeak and Sirius? Are you saying if Harry theortically did a killing curse on someone it would have no effect? Hermione broke the pot when she threw a stone.
Now that Bran can time travel, he should go back and tell Aerys to execute Cersei and tell Aerys it's because she'll destroy the Kingdom someday
It would save a lot of people in the future tbqh
not the same guy,
he essentially could do that shit to the lannisters, but because nothing has happened in the present, then he has not done so or will ever do so.
Anything he changes in the past, is applied in the present before he even found time travelling. So Hodor being retarded for example.
not same guy
>how could a bran that doesn't exist make a noise
idk what you mean but his whisper was heard by ned, but the consequences have not been revealed or it was completely insignificant. Maybe that's why Ned adopts Jon?
He cant change the past, but it can be revealed in the future that events that happened in the past were due to him, why do fucking normies struggle so much with this reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Who saved Harry the first time around with the spell?
How is it so hard to understand? Timeline is locked and causes don't necessarily come after effects (cause-->effect and effect-->cause both possible). It's actually super simple and not at all cool/innovative time travel.
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You are well and truly beyond hope, jesus fucking christ
You all belong in /got/ general.
I cant believe how many fans there are for this shit tier high budget porn series. Stop shitting up this board with needless threads, fucking faggots.
>"Abandon the show after season 4, Isaac"
That sentence doesn't make any damn sense and you can't seem to explain it except for your muh normies autistic rambling.
Varys has no cock lmao
Then there would be a dead body to that present day harry who just decided to suddenly kill some faggot wizard.
But as there was no killing, then harry didnt do it.
It's like an invisible hand that keeps events in order to meet the present timeline.
Time is a flat circle in GoT. You cant change the circle - just keep traversing it. So Bran isnt changing the past. Hes just leaving instructions for when he traverses it again. Thats who the Three Eyed Raven was. A coach, because perhaps last time Bran fucked up big time for not understanding his power and using it wrongly.
This does however confirm that Bran is he most poweful goy in GoT
Just because the bullshit closed loop time-travel only works when you don't think about it doesn't mean people are retarded for suggesting you can't change the past
Not really. Hermione knew what was happening, she could have done something differently if she wanted
Your wording makes it harder for them
>He can't change the past but it can be revealed in the future that he changed the past.
Hermione didn't know because she hadn't experienced it.
Is Bran S tier now?
How can events in the past happen because of him if he can't change the past? He made his or retarded and he wasn't even alive then so he must have gone back and changed it
Night King is S tier, and maybe some powerful red priestess, i don't know. But Bran is not there yet.
Go home Rust, you're drunk
event 1 happens > causes event 2 etc > leads to character time traveling, who causes event 1 v
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I still don't understand how warging into present Hodor did anything to past Hodor.
What would happen if he just stood there and didn't make Hodor retarded ?
or how he could be in present hodor and in the past at the same time
>The pages are already written
>The ink is dry
You are mentally deficient
If he in the future chooses to go back and change something, it would've already been changed by him in his current timeline by the previous timelines version of him.
He cannot go back and fuck his mum because his mum wasnt fucked by him in the past.
so is he like god now or what
doesnt the red god and many faced whisper to their followers as well
Marty nearly fucked his mum
>Implying the timeline isn't already fixed
ARE YOU THIS STUPID, THE CONCEPT WAS SPOON-FED
Close, he's definitely headed that way though.
Look, Bran can't physically go back in time and make changes. For example, he can't go back in time and stop himself from making hodor retarded.
The past is the past and it's set. So in the past, Bran came into existence for a brief moment and made hodor retarded. This has always happened and will always happen. There is no past/present/future where hodor isn't a retard because Bran hadn't gone back in time yet.
Yes Bran can change the past, but all the events that have happened and will happen are unchangeable. If we see a scene in the next episode where Bran goes back in time to change something, he isn't really changing anything, he's creating it.
If that happened, it would be 100% retconning, the writers didn't know about what's going on now in S1
Not the same concept of time travel. GoT is fixed timeline/flat circle or whatever you want to call it.
and the circle is closed, so how can the story progress?
But can he go back and warg into Ned Stark and fuck his mum?
Can he fuck his aunt as someone else, and would that still be incest?
I would actually say the Time Machine explains the problems pointed out
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>EVERYONE WHO DOESN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF BRAN WENT BACK IN TIME AND DID SOMETHING THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN (ie save Ned, or stop himself from climbing the tower)
>spoilers for the above film
In the Time Machine, an inventor falls in love with some bitch. After she's murdered by a mugger, he spends his life creating a time machine to go back and save her life
He succeeds and goes back to the day she was murdered
Instead of going down the route the mugger was at, he takes her down a different path thus preventing her murder. However, now what happens is that she is killed by being hit with a horse and carriage
Fuck
So he goes back in time again and stops her being hit with a horse and then instead she's killed in some other arbitrary way. So he keeps going back and she keeps dying. And he doesn't understand why he can't seem to save her life
It's then explained to him that he only built the time machine to travel back in time to save her because she was killed.
If she wasn't killed then he'd have no motivation to build a time machine, nevermind go back and prevent her from dying.
This is contrary to the multiple universe conception of time travel wherein every time you go back you make a new universe, here it's all the same universe
Douglas Adams' Hitchhiker Guide to the Galay set of books explain it as well (everything important has already been done)
And the film Predestination also deals with the concept
The actual problem with the episode is how Bran warging into Hodor in the past was linked to Hodor in the present
The way I took it was that Bran couldn't control his power and fucked up without knowing it. The wargs weren't simultaneously, he fucked young hodor after old hodor was already warged
Yes yes, and maybe.
So what happens if he stabs someone in the brain and cuts their head off then drowns the head. They don't die from it because they're not dead in the future?
Do you think Bran is John Snow's father?
>Yes Bran can change the past, but all the events that have happened and will happen are unchangeable
you fucked up, senpai
But how do you warg someone while already being warged in someone?
>The actual problem with the episode is how Bran warging into Hodor in the past was linked to Hodor in the present
I dont think it was, i literally just think that after all those years of dreams about holding the door, hodor had a moment of clarity and realised his calling in life was to keep it closed
Bran accidentally fucked up past hodor while trying to warg into present hodor and make him keep the door closed and it was hodors decision to die
He can't cut their brain
If he tried it would turn out that that person was a different person to who he thought, ssomehow recovered from the brain damage or had been hiding their brain damage in the present the entire time
Except in GoT there are no alternate timelines.
In the inside the episode thing, they said the 3ER was "uploading knowledge" to Bran, does that mean they can share knowledge like some vulcan mind meld type deal? Does Bran "know things" now that he didn't before?
>Bran stands around in the past doing absolutely nothing while Hodor seizes up
I don't understand this.
Bran looked like he was doing fuck all, but apparently he was warging...?
He was having a vision, and at the same time... warged into young Hodor? Even though his eyes never changed and he just stood there looking at the events unfold?
I understand the loop, I just don't understand how Bran is specifically involved, or exactly what he did or didn't do to Hodor.
>So what happens if he stabs someone in the brain and cuts their head off then drowns the head
That particular person is dead in the future if he is capable of doing that.
If the person was alive in the future it means he wasnt capable or chose not to chop their head off
What happens if you fly, or walk through a wall, or stop being an idiot?
You can't do any of those thing, and Bran can't stab a guy that wasn't already stabbed by a time traveler.
HE'S GONNA TAKE YOU BACK TO THE PAST
>I understand the loop, I just don't understand how Bran is specifically involved, or exactly what he did or didn't do to Hodor.
This is exactly the same as me.
He can't physically make changes in the past, he's a ghost. But let me indulge your stupidity. If he did that, it wouldn't change the past because prior to him doing it in the present, he showed up in the past and did it.
No, why would I? I was answering a hypothetical
I didn't. All events that will happen have happened Bran can't go back and change something. He can't go back in time and stop himself from falling.
I don't know. Inception
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This is why you don't introduce time travel into the story unless you have a clear indication of how it's supposed to work in theory.
The loop makes marginal sense and the people who can't even grasp something that's marginally wrong says a lot.
What if you warg into another warg to make them warg while you're warging?
the plot barely progresses anyway
>if sanser ever gits marrehd, wahg inta the fooker on er weddin naht an giv er one from meh. Promise meh, Bran.
that's what killed him
because bran can leave the time travel 'world' after he has cause event 1 and resume the present timeline
I think the stress of the situation fucked with his power, or maybe the Raven was exerting some control over Bran to affect the past and when he died, Bran didn't know he could. His senses connected with the memory and since he was focused on hodor, it fucked with him.
when Bran goes back, people can have visions (or hear voices or something). At that time he was both in vision and worged in Hodor, when Meera started yelling young Hodor heard (had vision?) and had trauma