Serious request, not kidding not trolling not baiting...

Serious request, not kidding not trolling not baiting. I like films that depict sadism and people's (possibly animal's as well) suffering, but not sexual, definitely not porn. I like films where there is charismatic maniac who's doing or trying to do very terrific things to helpless people who are extremely terrified. It may include full on sadism with pain and death but does not have to. Great example is my currently favorite film – The Human Centipede. It does not have really bloody scenes but the main protagonist is a charismatic crazy man, and people he caught are very terrified and it is shown in the film. Another film I enjoyed was Melancholie der Engel. I didn't really like A Serbian Film because it was sexualized, and not very realistic, it just tried too hard. So I want to ask for suggestions, and one thing I must say, I have seen most of so-called disturbing films like Salò, Martyrs, Hostel and the likes, so you have to recommend me a really rare gem.

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Does Sup Forums really can't recommend me a single film?

Tusk and the Saw franchise comes to mind after the ones you said

Let's try

>House on the Edge of the Park
>Flesh + Blood

Kind of a tough ask OP.

I haven't seen it but I hear 'Funny Games' is pretty out there.

Also, it's not gory, but 'The Hunt' (Jagten) is good rage porn.

Try to get better taste in general

Saw definitely seems to fit. Tobin Bell is the only likable character even though he's the villain and there's this weird perversity with him thinking he's helping people.

I've seen Funny Games.
It's pretty sadistic and disturbing, and there's no gore or sex in it.

Hellraiser?

What's the one about the kids who go to South America and get their organs stolen

Suicide club

I hated the meta shit, even though I know that's the point.

I mean you can make a meta movie without characters talking directly to the audience, just subvert everything.

I've seen most of Saw films, not really what I'm looking for. If Tusk is similar then it's might not be what I'm looking for.
Will check.
Have seen, did not like.
Give me examples. I like normal films, but also like sadistic films.

Funny Games which one 1997 or 2007? I don't want the film to be joky at any point, it should be full on crazy stuff like centipede or hostel, gore is fine actually, but it shouldn't be about sexual pleasure

Snuff 102
You better be ready to see a pregnant woman beaten to death and then fucked.

Gurotesuku
Guinea Pig series

Tusk is kind of like human centipede. Crazy dude wants to turn someone into a walrus...
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'The Skin I Live In' is "charismatic surgeon" kino. There is a sexual element but you might get a kick out of it.

Looks kinda dumb, I just don't believe them, they are not convincing.

Also I ask again, should I watch 1997 Funny Games or 2007? I saw 2007 and didn't like it.

I think I'll see this one, heard about it many times. Sexual is not a big problem, I just don't like it when it's the main point.

The Japanese movie Grotesque is the most sadistic one I've seen I think. It is pretty bad though and not very realistic, so I don't think you'll enjoy it.

watch this

With your taste, I don't think your in the position to call any movie "dumb"

Human Centimeme 2 is more graphic, there's a barbed-wire rape scene
3 is a dark comedy but there's a graphic scene of a man getting stabbed in the kidney then a guy fucks the kidney hole

Thanks, will check it
Saw them all ofc, only liked first one. You see it's not about grotesque gore, it's rather about convincing story. That doctor from first centipede, his acting was just on point, the story felt kind of real, all actors were acting good. Then when you take other films they usually trying too hard, for instance I got recommended with this I checked the trailer and saw distortions and noises, this supposedly makes the film scary. Not the kind I'm looking for.