What is the general opinion on these three virtuoso artists?

What is the general opinion on these three virtuoso artists?

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Wankers

Why tho?

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look at those 3 memes hanging out

Yeah all of you shitters wish you had the 1/20th the skill they have.

nah I wish i had creativity
all these guys do is WOW THEORY LMAO

Hit and miss. But when it's a hit, it's amazing.
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Thats a weird argument, I still dont understand whats wrong with their stuff. I mean yeah everyone has different tastes but shit, they really have some good hard or emotional stuff too.

Do people hate them just because they are not some obscure esoteric non-commercial shit? Because fuck that logic

I can't think of a single fast as shit virtuoso guitarist except Danny Gatton who also made good/interesting music.

>Hit and miss
That logic applies for every artist senpai
There is not perfect discography or perfect anythng in this world

I realize that and I think that most songs from guitar virtuosos can sound like recorded jam sessions.

nah its not the non commercial stuff,after all almost everyone here doesnt listen to top 40 chart stuff
and yeah you can find some nice stuff from them,its just that most people who listen to them think they are some sort of guitar gods or smth,if u need better music try and find a guitarist who actually innovates

NO LO SONIEEEEEEEIIIEEEEEEEEEE

I've tried getting into some of their music, but it just doesn't do anything for me. Even the ''emotional'' stuff is usually just them playing over what is essentially a bland backing track. And they all sound the same, they all have that same tone, they all have the same vibrato, and they often confuse complexity for good songwriting. I'd rather listen to Neil Young play because it at least sounds like there's an individual there, rather than a robot, and the music as a whole matters.

exactly,that was my point,they dont innovate they are just overcomplicating stuff and using the same old techniques

Skill wise they're immense but musically they're very weak most of the time.

Satch in that regard is far higher than the rest of them. Petrucci is a better rhythm player than lead, Vai has about ten good songs in his catalogue.

sorry, meant to reply to the guy you were replying to. I agree with you totally.

>I still dont understand whats wrong with their stuff.

technical wankery with no emotion or soul

inb4 your stupid "ur just a h8r", newsflash: not liking something doesn't mean you're jealous, you ignorant manchild

DUDE

>IF U DON'T LIKE IT YOU'RE JUST JELLY

itt: schoolyard logic

at least they aren't yngwie

they all look equally stupid on stage

>technical wankery with no emotion or soul
youtube.com/watch?v=ZdVg8g2AP-U

I'm not even that big of a fan of Vai, but this is just beautiful.

>wannabe shine on you crazy diamond part 1

>if u need better music try and find a guitarist who actually innovates
I doubt many people here listen to Allan Holdsworth, Django Reinhardt or Wes Montgomery.

What a sensible argument...

This

NOTHING NEW TO SEE HERE,BACK TO GILMOUR
thats my fkin argument smartass

Have you realized that David Gilmour isn't the only guitar player on Earth worth listening to? I'd suggest listening to Django Reinhardt, Wes Montgomery, Joe Pass, Allan Holdsworth and John McLaughlin.

Not as funny as the three-necked guitar solo which focuses more on his facial expressions

itt people who think steve vai's music isn't creative, ie people who have literally never listened to him

they can suck dick with the greatest gusto, truly three of the greatest cocksuckers of our generation

bravo op

Its beyond me... how the fuck can you guys tell that their music is just technical wankery without soul,emotion and meaning? Its like you are far up your own ass that you dont hear it. Sorry senpaitachi

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This is comfy thread, thanks guys

vai is a loveable goofball

But although the leftward tilt of my politics back then was permanent, and although I figured correctly that too many young artists were getting cheated, anti-commercialism was never my line. I liked hooks and hits and DJ patter; I liked Motown and bubblegum; I preferred The Who Sell Out to Tommy. And because I'd heard a lot of jazz, I was underwhelmed by the cult of the guitar solo. So I firmly believed that rock wasn't about musicianship. It was about concept and short-fast-songs-with-a-good-beat.

t. faggot who cant have fun for once in his shitty hatred-filled cynical life

Eh? He's saying he does like fun songs, but listening to a 20 minute guitar solo as the singer is whining about the decay of society isn't fun.

i dont like virtuosos at all, i know they are incredibly talented and skilled, but imo most of them lack of feel and their music doesn't convey anything. it's just someone masturbating in the face of the audience saying 'yeah look how good i am'.

Whoever you like more between Vai and Satriani>Whoever you like the less between Vai and Satriani>Current State Jason Becker>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Petroochi

"I've always disliked technical complexity in music. To me, a nice, simple A chord gets the message of the song across as effectively as playing a million notes per minute."

the whining part was about pink floyd isnt it

I agree 100% with this

To each his own.
Shitters for shit fans , virtuoso for patricians.

I think this is the opinion of someone who judges virtuosos just from watching the youtube videos of toni abasi, batio or petrucci shredding instead of actually listening to an album. Fripp, Holdsworth, and even Yngwie have lots of feels in their compositions; people like Satriani and Vai are usually upbeat instead of pure wanker.

*tips fedora*

Christgau didn't like 70s AOR/prog in general, though he gave Animals an A for some odd reason.

This sounds like ass

What the fuck???

It is obvious that they never listened to their albums user. Just look at their fucking arguments like this retard >i dont like virtuosos at all, i know they are incredibly talented and skilled, but imo most of them lack of feel and their music doesn't convey anything
its like its written by literal subhuman

maybe but we cant put Malmsteen in the same level of Fripp. i think the Malmsteen-like virtuosos are the music version of fedoras.

Vai has great cheekbones though. He's 80s cheesiness personified and I like it.

>arguments
>i dont like
>in my opinion

learn to read friendo

Sounds like a robot playing guitar. It's technically good but doesn't have any life, just a soulless, emotionless machine playing fast as possible.

Glenn Tipton said something like this too, that Judas Priest had it as policy to always keep their solos short and concise and never do extended-length wankery that has nothing to do with the songs.

It's funny because almost everyone in rock seems to (at least on the surface) agree with Christgau about keeping songs short and direct.

Whats the problem? I know its your opinion (godforbid to be general opinion) , which is subhuman tier.

im not him

Al Dimeola had a good comeback for this mentality, I just can't find it.

True, but I think Yngwie's fedora status comes from genuine egoism and not just a phase.

yeah, also that guy is an asshole

>Even the ''emotional'' stuff is usually just them playing over what is essentially a bland backing track

i like that alien song

Jazz cats play better music than them really.

My issue with these types of virtuosos is that they don't exercise restrain and I don't care for ego trip type songs very much. If you're going to write a song to show off how awesome you are write something that is greater than the sum of its parts. Anything these guys write as solo artists is bland back tracks for them to dance over. I like to see interplay amongst band members or music that is about the entirety of the composition and how everything comes together to create something excellent.
I could see someone who is really into technical skill or only listens for melody being into these guys and you can enjoy it. I won't.

Nobody is more musically limited than Kiss desu.

maybe because animals is like the prog response to punk (at least the lyrics). i dont know really, but Christgau giving a prog record an A is crazy.

what about ac dc and iron maiden? i like them but almost all of their songs sound the same.

Yeah...that's exactly what Christgau said. If you listen to jazz, you'll probably find rock guitar solos boring. I guess they served their purpose of wowing stoned teenagers in the 1970s, but from a serious musical standpoint, they fall short.

christgau likes jazz?

Animals [Columbia, 1977]

This has its share of obvious moments. But I can only assume that those who accuse this band of repetitious cynicism are stuck in such a cynical rut themselves that a piece of well-constructed political program music--how did we used to say it?--puts them uptight. Lyrical, ugly, and rousing, all in the right places. B+

Mybad, it was a B+. "Wish You Were Here" got an A. Having said that, a lot of the critics at the time didn't like Animals and Christgau was one of the exceptions.

Yeh but he's never written a lot about jazz because he said he doesn't know enough about music composition/theory to make any intelligent comments on the stuff.

There was a writer for Rolling Stone Magazine in the 80s (forget the guy) who said that cheesy guitar solos were the main attraction of metal, and why kids ate up the shit like hotcakes.

I don't understand this. If you like this you won't like that. Can't people just recognize good music when they hear it?

Btw, there isn't much good music if you were wondering

He's not wrong. Rock guitar isn't exactly technical or hard to play against classical/jazz guitar some of which can get really tricky.

it really surprises me, i mean, its the guy who wrote this about In the court of the Crimson King

>The plus is because Peter Townshend likes it. This can also be said of The Crazy World of Arthur Brown. Beware the forthcoming hype--this is ersatz shit. D+

yeah i'm jealous of robotic playing trying to pass itself as deep
also reminder dream theater hasn't made a good album since 1999

Animals is a pretty direct album by the usual standards of prog.

What albums have you listened to?

Classical and jazz shit is easy too, its just more scales.
True creativity is hard to find, there's no such thing as real jazz anymore, just as there's no real rock. It's all dismantled now, you can do what you want just dont play in a
>jazz band
>"rock band"
>god forbid metal band

if you play your guitar you can say you play rock and roll but just leave it at that especially if you're doing the alternative/indie/shoegaze thing

WHATEVER you do DO NOT admit you're playing a metal band because that shit is just stupid

But that's just as retarded as people who like this soulless shredding. Stop listening to music based on how technical it is, there's more to music then that.

>WHATEVER you do DO NOT admit you're playing a metal band because that shit is just stupid

Good point. All music critics are a hivemind and Christgau is no exception. They all wank off to punk/alternative and crap on metal. Thus punk/alternative is the only way to be taken seriously as a rock musician. :^)

>Hey you, Whitehouse
>Ha ha charade you are

true.

no punk is really bad too, don't get me wrong

basically, when i hear your music i don't want to be thinking oh thats pretty punk, or oh thats really heavy metal, or sweet blues lick dawg you remind me of..

original is original. it takes a long time to get there and a lot of working on your own shit

>Btw, there isn't much good music if you were wondering

No and even worse, we forget all the garbage from past decades and only remember the handful of elite artists.

In technical ability they are absolutely the best of the best.
joe satriani is sometimes extremely awesome but then starts to shred nonsense then goes back to being one of the masters.
Steve Vai has an awesome song (the audience is listening) and other good ones but mostly noise.
John Petrucci is a god.
Guthrie Govan is god #2

>when u whisper a prayer

Gene Simmons had some decent bass chops in the 70s before he got lazy and tuned out.

Joe Satriani
Cirlces
Lords of Karma
Steve Vai
Halo Theme
The Audience is Listening
John Petrucci
Any dream theater song. To name a few:
A New Beginning
Stream of Conciousness
Guthrie Govan
The Kentucky Meat Shower
Stupid 7

Justin Bieber will not be remembered, just like nobody remembers NYSNC or Backstreet Boys

Radiohead is still relevant though

Enough to feel confident in my opinion. Post a song from anynof there solo albums where the lead guitar track is not the only thing doing something noteworthy.

Justin Timberlake is from N Sync and he's still popular.

Except for the 80s where for some reason, people forget all the great bands from that time and only remember Poison and Cinderella.

>G3 and other wankers in the club
like them a lot but i couldnt take the live show for more than an hour here in EU after steve morse, vai satriani came final jam and i already came too much

I like the techniques complexity and rhytm changing in the songs but i somehow transfered my taste into combining that with metal and orchestra or even pop

Dream theater still not bad but astonishing tho... why when you have nightwish epica and babymetal

Fripp was/is great because even though he's capable of incredible technically complex stuff, he's also capable of reservedly playing in service to the song (Scary Monsters is one example). And he also was quite innovative with the unique sounds he got out of his guitar.

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Yes but nobody remembers NSYNC thats the point. He did his own stuff, and is actually pretty talented. I don't listen to his stuff but I can see the appeal

y'all are just jelly because your shredding sounds like this

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Yeah yeah souls wank blah blah, I still think it's pretty cool what sounds they can achieve. The solo here is imo magnificent even if it is completely soulless. 3:13 for example, just listen to that crazy shit.

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this looks like a Tim and Eric sketch

Best guitarist ever coming through!