You have to admit, this here is a great question

You have to admit, this here is a great question.

no

you pay the goverment so they can pay the teachers that teach your kid and the police officers that protect you.

/thread

Why the fuck do you think you're still alive? If we went by the retard who made the pic, then we would be in stone-age. shit, even then people had to pay something to someone to be able to get some services you couldn't get alone.

There is nothing to discuss here. fuck off.

That's a retarded question. The kind of question that only Trump supporters and absolute idiots can't answer.

sociology faggot...
family unit is also one of the origin theories of society, which builds for its own and freely interacts with each other

aka not cohersion and dead barbarians

>"Hey guys, me and a load of my friends and family can take care of you if you leave nearby us, we will make sure nobody kills you and allow you to work and live in peace, but we're going to need your help to keep the community functioning and keep everybody fed"

10,000 years later
>"Why do we even need governments tho?"

I was homeschooled and have never and will never use the police because they are more dangerous than criminals. Why do I have to pay?

this, but without the pseudo hippy shit and acknowledging the muddled participation of ancestors in building up a nation... without that its just pitting bad economy against the locals for muh open borders, solved economy and idgaf stay off my land

>I was homeschooled

We know.

Andrew Jackson purchased it from the Chickasaw Indians. Glad I could help.

Way to refute my point you public schooled dumbass. I use nothing that taxes pay for not one thing yet I'm required to pay them? Yeah no

>Implying America has an education system.

Are you by chance a sovereign?

You pat taxes so your country can be maintained and your infastructure is updated.

You can live in places where they don't pay taxes, they also don't have clean water electricity plumbing social programs medical programs education programs emergency responce law enforcement or refind building materials but no taxes.

Stupid children who don't understand that living in a developed country isn't free because noone works for free.

kek

Do you not drive? Is your house fireproof?

No hippie bs please. We pay taxes so we can support our infrastructure. We use monetary means to give value to all work completed as a form of validation. This way we can give everyone who works compensation, and more motivation to work, while at the same time collecting money to buiod ourselves up. Corrupt poiticians, ignorant/stupid people, and flawed democracy have cause this to have many developed problems since we began.
Tldr: we work better as a unit, and like incentive inherently, but we fuck up alot.

ITT: Retarded people falling for b8

No I have everything delivered to me and yes it is. My house is everything proof

>some nigger breaks into your house
>smashes your mothers head with a hammer and rapes her
>who do you call?
>ghostbusters
>police are criminals

>Dosnt want to pay taxes
>is on the internet using electricity living in a house with clean water, gas, and indoor plumbing.

If you don't want to pay go live I'm an African village, 0 infastructure to pay for.

You pay the government because if you don't they'll abduct you.

>Omplying this only relates to Merica
KYS

You have to admit, you are retarded

>what are firearms and a well guarded house?
Sorry I don't need others to protect me
I live on my father's land on a house we built and all those aren't government issued they are private companies

Everytime you take a shit it's flushed into the sewer. Government payed for the sewer. With taxes. If you shit in a bag and put all the bags in your garage when they're full then I understand.

So you're basically a self sustaining adult neet. Good for you. Why don't you stop paying taxes now and see how well that works out for you

Have you stopped to think about what is protecting you from the following.

>Other people picking up items you own and taking them away
>Other people killing you
>Other people destroying your home
>Wild animals from preying on you
>Dying of starvation/thirst because you don't have your own source of food and drink.

>I'm an African village

Nigger

Say you're not there, you'll want to know who did it. You'll need help from police. I'm starting to think you're some 13 year old wannabe rebel

Do less drugs.
You're neither as smart nor as deep as you think you are.

Learn what ontology is and stop pretending that category error is libertarianism. You give the rest of us a bad name.

Funnily enough, despite the fuckups in our monetary based societal systems, capitalism seems to be the most successful system. Cue socialism good in theory, bad in practice, etc.

kek'd and check'd

You use the roads, drink the water, eat food that is regulated by the fda. Grow up little shit head. I'm sorry your dad is making you get a job.

Do you think all the stuff you enjoy in a developed nation is free? Do you think roads and pipes maintain them selfs? Dose water clean itself? Does electricity generate it's self and magicly show up in your house? Do buildings grow like trees by them selfs? Do police and emergency responders work for free? Does your food grow it's self with 0 human help? Do militaries operate for free? Do metals mine and refine them selfs? Does petroleum magicly refine it's self? Do goods migrate around the would autonomously like birds?

Explain to me what taxes you pay.

I have several security cameras and my house cannot be broken into to without my knowledge
If I can't take care of myself I don't deserve those things I will never call the police

you live in a civil society. you benefit from the education of all around you. you benefit from the health care others receive - not spreading plague, not costing the country money or lost production through sickness. you benefit from a secure community, the police and military, the social services, the benefits and health care that make it possible for the poor not to have to resort to robbery and violence. you benefit from the roads that you drive on and your food and drink is delivered on. you benefit from clean air, clean water, and the social and political protections that a democratic society gives you, controlling the robber barons of unfettered capitalism.
you are not an island. What you are is a freeloader, a person who takes but does not want to contribute, a lowlife thief from your neighbors.

>If I can't take care of myself
Well guess what, you're societies bitch and we'll tax you all we fucking want cause there is nothing you can do to stop us.

I've come to the conclusion that there's no right or wrong political system, they all have their flaws.

Capitalism works when it benefits you. The downfall is the mass corruption among the rich, they've built their system and it keeps them rich. Also, poverty.

So you generate the electricity you are using by yourself? You also are your own internet provider? You never buy food at a store right? You never use any product produced by farming you do not own any products that where shipped across the planet, I take it you scratch built your computer from raw material you dug up yourself and refined yourself? You do not benifate fron your countries military protection? You built your car yourself from parts you manufactured yourself?

And on top of all of that your house us fire proof and your health is 100%, that's amazing.

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>if I can't take care of myself
>if

There isn't a question of if, somebody with more money and power than you could literally just demolish your home, take you captive and do as they pleased with you at any time, but you pay for the protection of your country to prevent people from doing that. If you don't want to pay, you're free to leave at any time.

But then how will you live without the generations of infrastructure that people have payed and worked for around you?

I have absolutely nothing to do with society and could care less if it falls apart because I'm fully self sufficient.

Septic tanks exist

Have you ever driven on a paved road or used a flushing toilet? Do you use anything that runs on electricity? Have you ever drank clean water from a tap? Have you ever eaten food from a store uou difnt grow yourself? If so you are enjoying the results of taxes.

ah, that delivery system... it needs roads, railways and airports. it need traffic police and a legal system to support it. It needs an educated driver, and of course educated people to make all the stuff you buy. But you don't want to pay for that? great, we will just up the price of everything you buy and take it in tax from the sellers. Oh you don't think they should pay tax either - well, great, lets just let society rot and see how long you live...

>implying the robbers won't wear masks or something to hide their identity. >implying >implying

Roads and mail....

>says on the internet using electricity and internet he isn't producing himself.

Do you really think you can live without electricity internet or clean water and farmed food?

do you use roads? did you go to public school? do you receive services from any person that has gone to public school?

Who connected your home computer to the Sup Forums servers?

Is that a public service? I don't think his taxes go towards his computer or internet. self-sufficient doesn't imply he built the internet in this context, just that he didn't need public assistance.

You have everything delivers to you? You do know the post office is government and payed for via taxes right?

So basicly you don't want to pay taxes but still use things taxes pat for?

That's called being a parasite.

>controlling the robber barons of unfettered capitalism
all good except for this part. on the contrary, the government works directly with the robber barons

The internet is made up of work from a lot of people, including (in many countries) work payed for or even constructed by government agencies. If you were to consider yourself completely free of need for public services the vast majority of the internet, especially network lines local to you would be entirely off limits.

your homeschooling obviously didn't include Hobbes.

read some. (if tldnr - when you are asleep someone else can easily kill you. even the strong must sleep.)

but lets be honest here. you are just a leech on society who does not want to pay his way. Its ok, we get it. you are a greedy pathertic sociopath, a narcissist, probably a Trump supporter. You don't want to pay tax (like Trump, who does not pay income tax) well that is fine, as long as you sign this waver that says you don't want the police to investigate your murder, after long torture...

Electricity and power grid, he's useing the power grid.

He also said he orders stuff so he uses the post office and roads.

You need to be over 18 to use this site

Make no income and you dont have to pay taxes retard

You ever even set foot on a public road? What happens when there's a massive fire and you need help? Do you not realize how many government services exist off of the tiny amount in taxes you give? Are you mentally deficient?

Running water and sewage are often times handled privately.

Septic tanks and wells are used in a majority of rural homes.

Electric and cable lines are maintained by private companies.

>I have absolutely nothing to do with society and could care less if it falls apart because I'm fully self sufficient.

no you are not. ou claimed you had stuff delivered. that requires an outside society. unless you live entirely off your land, and never have anything delivered (and that includes internet services,,, you are a leech on society if you refuse to pay for those services society gives you. putting your fingers in your ears and saying la la la does not make you independent of self supporting.

yep yep. you are correct.

Top kek

what a cunty way to start a thread.

>implying only america has a government

What about roads aBD post office?

Also most septic systems are treated at water treatment plants, you know those things that are payed for with government money.

to an extent, yes, but they also impose environmental protection laws, workers rights and protections (in civilised countries - I know the USA has shit tier workers rights) and other restrictions that the good old boys of the 18th century didn't think a necessary expense..

Great, make sure you get up 3a.m. and fix that pot hole in front of my house. Don't forget to bring your own tools also, ass hole.

and without a civil government and society, how do you plan to do dealings with these private companies. You cannot use money, can you, because you cannot just print your own. you have to exchange goods and services through some means - how do you do that with no societal input?

>ITT an underage parasite dosnt understand how infastructure works and thinks ordering stuff online and useing other people's stuff is self sufficient.

You are all stupid and you are all wrong!

>most septic systems are treated at water treatment plants

No, they are treated privately and once full need to be replaced.

If you are on a well and septic setup, your not connected to any form of sewage, because there isn't one in your rural area. I mean what your saying doesn't even make sense.

> tiny amount
Underage, parents-house-dwelling, unemployed cunt detected

Lol are your total ignorance of my life.
> I bet you are a Trump supporter
You sure share a low intelligence

Legally you dont have to pay taxes if you dont want to.

This thread it's potatoes level autism

Go live on an Indian reservation you fucking commie. Homesteading doesn't exist anymore.

/thread

You don't pay taxes if your job is basement dweller

>you fucking commie

says the person who wants big government controlling their lives, whatever you say comrade

Да

all these raise really good questions, but no-one is answering.

did homeschooling not equip you to answer these? did you just suck up the anti gubbimint shit and never question it?

come back when you learn to think.

>Concerned about big goverment >supports hillary.

Nigs gonna nog

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Pack it up boys

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Also, check'em.

There a lot of libertarian arguments that are good and you choose this faggotry. No one claims the government bought the land, not even the government itself. The government taxes it subjects because it can. And it can because the majority agreed to it. That is all.
Lrn2 social contract dumbass

Replying just in case.

I'm really lonely.

Lold hard

>flushing toilet
Septic exists, someone already said so.
>clean water
From a well on your own property
>paved roads
You could live on your own property and never leave it if you're self sufficient. You would probably have to pay taxes though depending on the state -- in Florida you can get passed that by having cows iirc. Also, private companies pave the roads and put up fences, it's how the government "creates" infrastructure jobs.
>post office
Privately owned mail services exist -- fed ex, ups, amazon drones.
>fire department
I'm sure private ones exist but they're probably not common. A lot of departments can use your pond for water, so in theory you could just buy your own truck.
>electricity
The government put up powerlines so companies couldn't have monopolies iirc?

I could keep pointing stuff out, but it's unlikely. While it is easy for to think of, I'm done volunteering at this mental asylum for now.

Fuck off

>I was homeschooled
/thread

If "legally" means the government has to sue your ass then sell your house, then yes, you don't have to pay taxes if you don't want to

More like

10,000 years, a pair of retard millenials and their kid later...
>"Why do we even need governments tho?"