People can hear him in the past

>people can hear him in the past
>can't change the past

This doesn't even make sense, he just wind whisper to Ned not to go to kings landing in 20 years

It doesnt have to make sense man, its shit writing to keep stupid people questioning it and feeling "smart" about it, something like that movie "Inception" its so dumb that it become "genious" becasue people were afraid they would be called idiots if they bashed it.

Just shit writing for bored house wives and teenage kids.

He could've just listened to his mom and not climbed to tower..

Why go full autism

Says the man who writes a paragraph congratulating himself over the intelligence of others, for he sees that it is "dumb writing".

>he can't change the past

This. He is a factor in influencing events in the past, but he can't change what happened.

The ink is dry. The future and past are determined. Bran's attempts to change it are what made it in the first place.

It is more than likely now, that Aerys II went mad due to Bran's voice on his head.

He can't re-change the past because he already influenced/changed it to the point where reality is now.

>can't change the past

why not?

strong feeling it'll be the same voice that vary heard when he had his balls burnt too

>universe's creator unambiguously declares determinism

the fact that said imaginary universe is in fact pre-determined does nothing to lessen the sting

In the books, Jon found his direwolf pup because of the noise wind made directed his attention to it. That might be something.

Why does it sting so? The whole series is a great example of how structures, not individuals, shape history.

Because it is dumb writing, i watch the show man, every season they hesitate with the plot just to unravel it and pack it in 2 last episodes leaving huge cliffhanger for next season to keep people on their toes, if thats good writing im Martha Stewart!

So, please explain analytically, what makes the current Bran plot "dumb writing"?

Not brans but blood ravens.
Blood Raven tried warning King aerys about the white walkers, probably told him to burn them, resulting in the the king going mad and wanting to burn people.

considering each Wolf either brought about an important plot point or saved their owners life I'd say your probably right

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>direwolves
>relevant

How is this form of time travel shit? It is no different than Terminator.

Redditors ITT

>there are literally people who don't understand this

fucking retard

THE INK IS DRY. that means the story is already written. how fucking hard is it to understand? Bran is just cause of certain events that have already happened.

Okay ill bite, he was not interesting character, crippled not worth mentioning "guys he can worg" viewrs were meh, then sudenly "Guys he can travel trhought time!" viewrs "OMG BEST CHAR EVERRRR!!!"

So is Bran the voice that Varys heard at his weenie roast?

>example

It's fiction? And to be honest I don't know how the books differ but the show feels very character driven.

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you fucking explain to me right now, why the fuck did bloodraven and bran have that vision in winterfell in the first place?

i think it's somewhat obvious BR KNOWS that Bran is going to time warg into Hodor, when he says "listen to your friend". so then the only reason he has to do this is because of some fucking bullshit causality loop, he does it because he does it in the future

why?

because he does it in the future

why?

because he does it in the future

time travel is fucking retarded and their execution of this scene was shit too

also that stupid cunt CotF who alluha akbar'd herself just to create more drama in the scene instead of throwing her fireball thing

Think of it like Harry Potter movie 3. Harry and Hermoine went back in time and were the things that influenced what happened in the past. Like Hermoine throwing the rock in the window to let their past selves know that people were coming.

Bran is doing the same. No matter what Bran does in the past, he's already done it essentially.

So he can change the past once to write the timeline but can't change it again? Shit writing baka

This is exactly what i ment by "shitty writing" excellent post

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KYS faggot. Timeline is already written, like the god's work. Bran is just a narrator, or a player that is a factor in the events. How hard is it fucking to understand?


Because it's time stuff, it's supposed to be complicated, recursive you asshat.

are you people actually retarded or something?

So it's like time splitters future perfect?

>tfw you can't go back in time and play it online multiplayer

Yup "ink is dry" argument fails here because he wouldnt change shit, because he changed stuff once, but he cant do it anymore? Shit writing!

This is not an analytical review of the quality of the writing, sorry.

So, your issue lies with the rules of the time travel. But is there a hole in its internal consistency? Remember, disliking writing and saying that it is of poor quality are different things.

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>KYS Faggot

you post like a 12 year old australian from Sup Forums

So your argument on the topic is "SKY IS BLUE BECAUSE ITS BLUE YOU ARE RETARDS"

He did not change stuff once. Future and past coexist in a dialectical relationship. It is not like there is a future without Hodor. There's just one timeline.

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>its an autist cant understand simple time travel loops episode.

this
you people can't be that dumb
I don't believe it

Then how did ned react to bran in the flashback?

It had to have happened at some point.

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>people are defending this terrible writing to try to appear to be smart

mad men

all of you

If he caused that timeline then he must have once existed in a timeline where it didn't happen then gone back in time and changed it to the timeline that he's in now. How can the current timeline exist if he wasn't born at the time? He must have gone back and created it by changing it once

Ink is not dry. Raven only says that to try to stop Bran from fucking with the past.

Because it happened but not in the time you think it was. It is "determined" to happen at that time. Same in the books, bran yells at his father praying at the weirwood, he looks back.

can he even time travel anymore without the old man?

Ned heard him. That's it. He always did.

Hodor is Hodor because Bran fucked him up in the past and you take that as causality loop, but problem with that is, if he went back ONCE and stir shit up, why he cant do it again? If i put my cup on the counter and i smash it i can go back in time and put it somewhere else. or put a cushion under it.

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What would have happened if the future harry and hermione had ran into the current ones?

If the timeline is "fixed", why were they trying so hard to avoid being seen by them?

It's anime logic, aka the general idea of events are more important than the physical state of the universe

Aka someone getting shot one day or getting hit by the subway a day later is the "same" because she died in both cases and the idea of death was predeterminednot the series of events

Aka, bullshit

Your argument lies on an assumtion of a linear timeline, which is not true given last episode. Past affects future, but is also influenced by future.

the illusion of free will

>it's a select all images of store fronts until they disappear episode

Well for starters, it was fucking suicidal to go north of the wall and keep going

Is that Colin from Canada? Which episode is this?

Their loss, causality loop is dumbest thing to put in the movie, never works always leaves plot holes and fan drama with "what if" who cares just stop opening this threads please!

Because they didn't experience the predestined timeline yet. They had no chance to see each other because they didn't see each other before time traveling.

if "YOU MUST NOT SEE EACH OTHER" thing is really a rule that caused problems before, it may only be because rowling is a brainless hack.

also this trips also confirm

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Yes, there's a very obvious hole. Like the only rule they established for Bran's trips to the past was that he can't change the past, then he does that

Why didn't they escape before the zombies arrived?

The cave was no longer safe like he said, and I'm sure the head start they would gave gotten if they started running right away is bigger than the one they get if some big retard blocks a door.

The show so far has shown the scenes to be uncontrollable: Bran does not end in them because he wants to, but because treenet puts him in them. The implication? He doesn't have more than one chance of meddling with the past.

He had to make Bran feel like shit first.

But this question is explored and answered in show S3E9

Bran was not ready and BR had to show him at least the most important thing he can see, to help him infer the rest.

But he didn't change the past. He made past as it was: Hodor became Hodor. Bran has done it before he was born. He never changed it, but rather shut the loop.

This whole Bran thing is going to ruin everything and opens too many possibilities.

The show excels as low fantasy where all the magic and such is nerfed.

Some anons are becoming very self righteous about "understanding" this time travel closed loop concept. An impossible concept. Of course it doesn't make sense. Introducing time travel late in a series is never a good idea. Plebs are just defending the shit writing of their lowest denominator nonsense.

And thats what we call shitty writing, you cant really limit time travel with rules, it doesnt stick, rules are there but people bend them all the time.

So hodor could become hodor and carry bran to the cave in the first place

What was important about his father leaving for the Vale?

Yep, just saying IT ALREADY HAPPENED DUH doesn't explain anything and ignores a ton of holes.

It wasn't. Hodor thing was important, BR saw it was coming and he had to cause Wylas to become Hodor through Bran. He actually showed that the ink is really dry and Bran will be the cause for certain events, not because he is able to change but the "story" is already written and that's how it is supposed to happen.

Wait, does that mean if they left when the night king touched Bran, then Hold door would never have become retarded?

the ink is dry faggot stop worrying about what ifs

Why did they butcher Euron so badly?

So if they didn't stay and nearly get slaughtered by zombies Hodor would stop being retarded? What if Bran panicked and demanded they escape right away?

Yes.

Why? Why Hodor? From this they fucked up some child because "why not LOL"

There is no what if. Bran went back once. There's no evidence that he can return and change things.

At some point Bran affected Ned at the ToJ.

Ergo, Bran has affected the past.

That could not have happened originally as Bran was not yet conceived.

He wouldn't have demanded that because he hodor was always retarded

But it didn't happen. It wasn't going to happen, it's already determined that it wouldn't happen.

It's like asking why GRRM has written ASoIAF that way. Because it is predestined to be that way.

That scene was about Hodor (and him getting affected by Bran/the voice of that girl). The guy was showing Bran that you can't change things in the past because by trying to change things you'll cause whatever is supposed to happen anyway. Just sit back and learn.

>Shitty writing

Except Bran was there due to time travel.

Wait, was Bran warged into hodor when he was holding the door?

If you are always going to say "shitty writing" in the end, why are you asking? Are you Bran?

As he was in the past, he had to convince Hodor to do it himself by fucking up his mind by showing him the future himself.

AGoT was writter with Red Wedding in mind.

How can that be? Jeyne Westerling wasn't even conceived in the books? Seems like a plot hole. Why didn't GRRM save Rob?

lady didn't do shit except die

no

I don't care about the time travel/time loop shit.

All I want to understand is whether Bran was controlling young hodor or present hodor. And whether present or vision bran was controlling him. It confuses me because young hodor's eyes went white only when present hodor was holding the door.

Are you actually going to debate over whether or not recent seasons have had worse writing?

>20 good men
>bad poosay
>teleporting sand sneks
>teleporting little finger
>tyrion the dragon whisperer

dialogue in general is dumbed down bordering on cringe worthy

stuff like making things more black and white; book varys cuts out the tongues of his little children, show varys gives them candy :^)

fuck if you enjoy the show good for you, i genuinely think it has been going to shit for about the last 2 seasons

>mfw Bran has officially become worst boy

Face it, pedofags, you're boyfu a shit.

YOU'RE NOT THINKING 4TH DIMENSIONALLY MARTY

this might be the worst analogy ever