What are some of the qualities of 'smooth' jazz and what makes it so much worse than regular jazz?
Christopher Sanders
Honestly pic is starting to become my favorite jazz guitar album. Give this short track from it a listen. Also features Pharaoh Sanders on sax and Elvin Jones on drums.
Smooth jazz has more underlying similarities with easy listening and pop music than it does jazz. Jazz isn't defined by muh horns, keys, strings n drums and just because any of those can be seen in smooth jazz doesn't make it jazz.
Jace Smith
>Jazz isn't defined by muh horns, keys, strings n drums ...This fucked me up
Andrew Russell
sure thing
Adrian Foster
its more of a meme than anything, but the statement does have some truth in it, and summarized it pretty well
Dylan Johnson
Bumping thread for OP.
Adam Thomas
checked
also what does =/= officially mean because i've seen it a lot and understand it to mean "isn't" or "isn't the same" - am i right?
Wyatt Price
Yeah, you're correct =/= means it's not the same as the other.
Jonathan Nelson
Crescent is GOAT if I had to choose a favorite, it'd probably be Lee Konitz - Live at the Half Note
Camden Torres
Happy new year, Sup Forums, just whipped up this chart on how to get into Sun Ra. People have been asking me where to start with him lately. Also, I often see people on here going "lololol sun ra not REEL music lol hack man" without actually giving him a chance. So, please enjoy, and let me know if there should be any changes.
I also have some incredibly rare bootlegs that I will upload this week.
Your chart looks like a mess. You need to narrow it down or pick some key recordings to start with.
You should also give people multiple access points; plenty of people get interested in Sun Ra after they hear that he's a free-jazz spaceman, so they're likely to be a lot less interested in the early records.
Christian Wilson
I made this chart while intoxicated. I'll fix it. I'm thinking a flowchart.
Benjamin Allen
>rare sun ra bootlegs
Yes please
Jonathan Walker
How to get into Sun Ra > get drunk/high > make chart > get lost
I think that might be a completely valid strategy.
Isaiah Lopez
morning /jazz/ today i listened to five coltrane albums in a row, then did it again what's pic relateds best recording fellas? i'm a fan of the legendary sessions w/ chet baker
that's incredibly accurate and works every time
Brayden Ross
fucking forgot the pic
Leo Butler
>today i listened to five coltrane albums in a row, then did it again Good morning and Happy New Year! What works of Coltrane would you recommend to someone who hasn't listened to much jazz at all, but enjoys Giant Steps?
i agree with the order, they are all fantastic works. the majority of his work is so consistently good that it feels almost pointless to harangue them into categories
Charles Johnson
2016 is over
What new jazz releases are coming out in 2017 to look forward to?
Nicholas Long
I'm looking for some sad, sultry sounding Jazz, maybe like Miles Davis' "It never entered my mind". Any recs?
Alexander Edwards
im seconding this, i need to get into some good modern jazz. what are some places to look into to get info about modern jazz releases
Ryan Anderson
does anyone have any Art Blakey? I checked the archive and all the uploads are taken down. I'm looking for Moanin'
There's legitimately good stuff like say...Matana Roberts' Coin Coin Chapter One from 2010 or Wadada Leo Smith's Ten Freedom Summers from 2012 that have gotten mainstream love. Ten Freedom Summers in fact has the highest metacritic score of any new release in this decade.
Pulitzer Prize has been giving a lot of love to jazzier stuff recently, too. Definitely worth listening to.
Sometimes a cool new album will get hip credit from RYM. LAM's self titled that came out in 2016 is one of those.
There are some modern labels that probably someone like jazzthreadguy knows his way around.
Zachary Morales
what does /jazz/ think about this Sup Forumsvie?
Zachary Flores
Are we doing Nothing But Jazz January this year?
William Clark
I'm glad you brought this up because I saw La La Land a couple days ago, also directed by Damien Chazelle. One of the most common criticisms I saw for Whiplash was that it "didn't portray jazz the way it is" but I never thought that was the way the director even viewed jazz, it's just the way the characters did. In La La Land, Ryan Gosling has a part where he talks about the value of jazz and shit and says it really well, which proves that Damien Chazelle does in fact understand what jazz is about and invalidates that criticism. I think it's a great movie, best of the year for 2014 no doubt, and definitely one of the best of the 2010's. It's not really about jazz though
Joseph Williams
I LOVE THIS ALBUM
Colton Sanders
Brilliant.
Jordan Edwards
i thought it was pretty good, but adresses the criticism i had. on a related note, is La la land any good?
but basically Whiplash is good even if you're not watching it for jazz, but as far as i know, there are better "jazz" films
Julian Davis
Basically. =/= means not equal to.
Jordan Collins
I've tried posting in the other threads. The metal heads dont like it, the guitarists dont like it, the production fellas dont like it, and most of the soundcloud threads dis on it. Maybe my jazz friends will enjoy it.
It's a good movie if you're someone who's nostalgic for old musicals. I'm not one of those people but I still thought it was a fun movie. The songs are catchy and the choreography is pretty good and it's interesting thematically. I definitely didn't think it was as good as Whiplash, but it's more accessible and generally upbeat and Damien Chazelle is a good director
Hunter Kelly
Cool movie, meh renditions on standards though that people seem to have fallen in love with cuz muh fast and technical. Though maybe that is more in line with the distorted view of jazz the movie was trying to show...
Cameron Davis
Hello fellow Sup Forumstants, I only recently got into jazz,but I feel like I need more sources to find new jazz music. Personally I really like scaruffi's rock taste, and he is pretty much the only guy I need when it comes to rock,but jazz... I just feel like he is missing too much stuf, do you guys know any amazing jazz critic?
Austin Harris
Just picked this up from the record store
Luke Ross
>Proust book in the frame just enough to read the authors name
Very subtle
Angel Sanchez
nice set, though only + 4 & colossus are essential, i guess.
Sebastian Sullivan
Proust is the fucking man
Thomas Moore
(Posted wrong link first time)
I'm going in an in depth review/summary of each of Herbie's albums if anyone is interested.
It's a cancerous thread but at least there's SOMETHING good about it (me)
Start here
Carson Gomez
Some of these guys were in an alt-country/americana thread earlier posting about nazi punk music
Luis Johnson
Bastards. God bless you man, super positive.
Colton Ward
I don't like punk music to be honest.
Glad I can be of service, hope you like the analysises
Joshua Rivera
Punk music is fine, but nazi punk isn't. I have no idea why they showed up since we were talking about a bunch artists and music scenes that are fairly left-leaning. I swear, Sup Forums gets worse everyday.
Carter James
To be fair this set is organized all by chronological recording sessions as a lot of his "studio albums" were just random mix and matches of different recording sessions (or even half new material, half compiled from older releases) and a fair amount of the stuff he recorded only got released on singles, EPs, and 10 inch LP compilations of various artists.
Landon Reed
Don't worry I'm fixing it.
Adam Harris
this was a nice album
Michael Turner
I prefer !=
Grayson Lee
Welp. I did it. Herbie is all over that other thread. I hope I did good.
James Collins
please dont ever make a chart with a black ground color other than black, white or grey
Blake Sanders
Ok, fine, sheesh.
William Gutierrez
Sextant and Crossings so low, Fat Albert first... this is probably the worst chart I've ever seen.
James Hill
Rude!
Carter Price
But still if you have one too I would like to see it (not saying that rudely I genuinely do want to)
William Butler
What do you guys think of Matthew Halsall? I just found him on spotify and I think he's alright, a bit mushy at times, but overall pretty decent youtube.com/watch?v=s-l_VmNWzlM
Jace Clark
I don't, I haven't heard all of his work yet. And I didn't mean to be rude (ok maybe a little), I just consider Crossings and Sextant to be not just the peak of Herbie's fusion period but probably the peak of fusion/jazz funk in general. Claiming that they're some of his worst albums just seems very strange to me.
Nathaniel Gray
What have you got up to?
Honestly I wouldn't really consider them that funky. Fusion definitely but they're less funky than some of Herbie's other albums
(I say that respectfully)
Lucas Rodriguez
Listen to Coleman's album Science Fiction next. It's his best imo and one of my favorite albums ever.
Have you heard this album that's basically a small compilation of Herbie, Chick Corea, McCoy Tyner, and Keith Jarrett recordings? It's really nice I'd recommend it
Gabriel Butler
>Have you heard this album that's basically a small compilation of Herbie, Chick Corea, McCoy Tyner, and Keith Jarrett recordings No, sorry, let me know the title and I'll give it a listen.
Matthew Cruz
My favorite ragtime piece turns 100 this year. Feels weird.
Aiden Sullivan
One of my new favorites. Even his b-sides are gold.
why doesn't it portray jazz well? what are some better jazz films?
Andrew Stewart
No I don't think it is but it is all just separate sessions from them
Daniel Sanders
I guess the characters have an image of jazz as something very rigid and competitive, when it's really more about collaboration and improvisation. Like all art forms, it requires creativity and freedom, but JK Simmons' character forces the players to perform it exactly as written and with no even slight mistakes. It just makes it seem like the entire jazz community is this cutthroat dog-eat-dog game. I don't know. It's just the characters, though. I don't think the director was trying to make the characters look right about it, but that's the impression a lot of people got
Levi Lewis
ok i see what you mean. maybe this is just a music school thing though?
Kayden Wilson
Which one?
Sebastian Morales
we were talking about Whiplash in a thread about music movies just a few days ago, and I said something similar to what said, pic related.
well, first of all, Miles plays it on both Vol. 3 and on Workin', so there may be (at least) one other version by him to check out. secondly, Sinatra's "In the Wee Small Hours" album has a great version of it AND that whole album is themed toward what you want.
these have a lot of stuff you want on them, but there are some more upbeat things on all of them. links all still live.
I was going to post the link to Bill Evans: Some Other Time but it's a dead link but maybe you can find it anyway.
Brody Jackson
he's also playing a song from memory if i recall he's just more alpha about it with the band
Nicholas Smith
Currently listening to Buddy Rich: The Solos
holy fucking shit the madman
Owen Evans
Whiplash was incredible, all about being pushed so hard.
La La Land was all about the art collab and dream of jazz.
Both are some of my all time favorites. I've seen La La Land 3 times already
Noah Carter
Jazz is more than just timbre. There are musical approaches that jazz musicians take, both when improvising or composing tunes. A lot of smooth jazz seems to neglect that and just play catchy pop songs. On the other end of the spectrum, a lot of free jazz seems to toss form aside too. Whether or not it's classified under the jazz umbrella seems subjective, but there's so much going on in jazz that seems to elude the non-musician. Sorry if I'm condescending. Just bored and felt like sperging out.