Are you a nationalist? Why?

Are you a nationalist? Why?

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Yes, because I care about my home.

No, because it biases my opinions. I love my country and will always have inbuilt biases though. Being a Nationalist is taking pride to another level. To the point that you end up developing an opinion based on that pride, not on logical, methodical thought.

This is about muh refugees right?

Nationalism isn't about being proud, it's about doing something to be proud of, in this context working to make your home better. A lot of people seem to get this mixed and admittedly some, who call themselves nationalists, don't understand this either.

Yes and no. Yes because I love my country and its people and will defend it if there is ever a need to do so. No because I'm not that jackass who's constantly fucking the governments dick and waving flags around.

I love my country and I feel lucky to be here but I'm not blind to its faults. There's great places everywhere but when it comes down to it I love where I am.

> No because I'm not that jackass who's constantly fucking the governments dick
That is not nationalism.

Nationalism is a cancer

What does it matter?
Nationalism is just pride, but the globalist are more prideful than the nationalists. If you aren't one, you are the other.

>Nationalism is a cancer
Nope.

>Nationalism is just pride
Nope. Pride has actually very little to do with it.

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True, however the term Nationalist has accrued negative connotations. Like "Marxism", which is now used to describe Liberals and Leftists. Marxism is a theory of economics. It is open to interpretation. It is not Socialism or Communism. In fact, Marxism isn't even an ideology, just a theory. (I don't agree with Marxism as it has many flaws by the way). People now use the term accusatory. Never understanding the term itself. Similarly, the term Nationalism has gathered a Rightist, Racist connotation. This is why I wont use the term to describe myself. People would misunderstand it's meaning and lump me in with the Christian Bible Belt retards. I love my country. I like to see it succeed over others. I don't however agree with the "Sacro Egoismo" mentality of Italy during WW1. I will choose a right cause, or ideology over my nationalism. I would betray my own nation if I believed my nation was in the wrong, though only in extreme instances. I am happy to put up with the minor failings and wrongs. But if it came to it, I would betray my nation for the greater good. In this way, I am not a Nationalist

>I like to see it succeed over others
A more correct way to think would be to say "among others". Any nation's success doesn't have to be another nation's downfall. And really shouldn't be. At least my interpretation of nationalism wants to see all nations succeed.

And you don't necessarily have to betray your nation. Nation is usually built around shared culture, history, ideals in a broad sense and usually genetics. So in layman's terms a nation is usually the same as an ethnic group. Then there are the Swiss and Americans for example but most of what I said still applies.
Very rarely is the culture in conflict with another nation or the greater good. That's usually politics, which are just a way to govern the country and don't define the nation. So if the government is doing something bad, you don't have to fight or betray the nation, just the government. Usually this is solved by democracy.

Yes because I do not trust people from other nations

You, my friend, are a scholar. Your arguments are well thought out and relevant. I don't agree with everything you are saying at the moment and I'm becoming too drunk to debate. Basically, I respect your opinion as it seems as well thought out as my own. Good man. I'm about to drink myself to sleep so I'm going into shit posting mode.Good stuff Sup Forumsrother

My country is the world, and my religion is to do good. ~Thomas Paine

A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government. ~Edward Abbey

What is the biggest disagreement? I can try to address that.

The ethnic group = nation idea is wrong to me. I'm Australian by the way which may bias me. The rest is actually excellent. I subscribe to the "Clash of Civilisations" political model. The world is divided into competing "Civilisations". Western Civilisation for example. Islamic "Civilisation" and Chinese "civilisation" are others. While nations withing the same "Civilisation" can work together to their mutual good; beyond that, they are always in competition. Economically and politically, all nations are self obsessed. Generally Nations are not altruistic. All of that is debatable however. I'm too drunk to make more of it. Ethnic groups are generally the building blocks of most modern nations, however the shared culture is much more important. Ethnicity is important, but Western "civilisation" trumps ethnicity and nationalism in my view.

That was a generalization and that's why I said that there are exceptions such as the Swiss and Americans. Personally I'm bit on the offense about countries such as Australia, USA, Canada, Brazil and so forth, because they are based on imperialism and colonialism and the indigenous people have lost the right to their land. I'm Finnish, so this is relevant to myself too, because Russia is occupying most of Finnic territories.

Personally I don't like the idea of competing civilizations, because there's not really anything to compete about. I view politics and economy as separate phenomena. Competing civilizations lead to cultural imperialism, where one culture tries to replace another. This has already happened to some extent with "Western culture". Bigger cultures trump smaller ones and America being the biggest, everything becomes Americanized. In my opinion this is hurtful.

Regarding ethnicity, it's something I want to see preserved. It could be called biodiversity or cultural diversity. Do note, however, that when I say cultural diversity, I don't speak about the multicultural ideology, which is in practice cultural mixing. I view nations as groups that should be preserved, be given the chance to rule over themselves and develop their culture the way they see fit. This does not mean isolationism however. I think Japan has mastered my ideals the best. They have held onto their culture, protect their people and then cooperate and import culture on their own term.

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Very well put. I think you have won me over. Been to Finland by the way. Awesome country. I understand the Russians still own Karelia. Similarly to Konigsberg (Formerly the capital of East Prussia), Karelia is now populated overwhelmingly by ethnic and cultural Russians. My feels go out to you. Your arguments however are excellent and reveal an intellect superior to my own. Regardless of that, I will say that you have won me over. I agree with you. Well argued friend

Thank you. I don't view myself as intellectually superior to anyone but I have had to think about this topic a lot to defend my views. Otherwise I would be called racist, fascist and other buzzwords all the time and I'm certainly none of those.

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Nationalism isn't "pride". If you were to assign a word to it, it would be 'duty'.

nationalism is alright.

blind nationalism not so much.

Nationalism is a disease that effects sheep.

It seems many people confuse patriotism with nationalism here..

no, im not.
i love my country, but i'd sell it without hesitation for my family/friends