Why is Japansese "swordsmanship" so much more popular than European martial arts?

Why is Japansese "swordsmanship" so much more popular than European martial arts?

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Because weeaboos, and the narrow minded idea that European martial arts is all just mindless swinging and thrusting. Along with that, all the asian shit is more flashing and entertaining to see than some Euro stuff.

Japanese people made a concerted effort to preserve their traditions, and Euros did not.

Because Chinese cartoons

You mean boxing right? Boxing is more popular among pretty much everyone who isn't a social reject.

Weeabs.

This is so gay, it's just European style kata.

It's the rules of nature guys

If you're referring to swordplay, then fencing is an olympic sport, japanese bullshit is not. Fencing is way more popular.

Fencing in the Olympics. But not kendo. Thanks Truman.

Fencing is for faggots who like to suck dicks, like your dad.

Because Japs kept in mind a sense of beauty that hits the onlooker even if he doesn't know shit about martial arts.
Westerners like scoring points. I.e. fencing, boxe, Olympic karate and judo, MMA.

its not really that. the japs where still swinging swords when they were entirely obsolete in europe due to their isolation. sure they already had guns when they isolated themselves but their development stagnated during isolation. not to mention that during isolation they werent fighting any wars so the image of the noble samurai didnt really get crushed by the horrors of modern war and left to sink in for a couple off centuries. in europe wars were constantly being fought between the middle ages and modern times more than enough wars to get rid of the romantic image of the knight. a late medival knight would probalby beat the shit out of a samurai of the same time period. simple due to far superior armor and better swords (despite what katana fags might tell you, the longsword is far superior, less prone to breaking, better balance and therefore speed, longer reach and much better for thrusting especially in the late medical ages).

I feel like a jackass holding a Jap sword.

I practice fencing with sabers and bowie knife fighting.

I agree, long sword over katana any day. A pole arm would be even better to crush through the opponents armor

> far superior armor and better swords
> (despite what katana fags might tell you, the longsword is far superior, less prone to breaking, better balance and therefore speed, longer reach and much better for thrusting especially in the late medical ages).
source needed

Best post.

Because the only people who like that shit are nerds and nerds love anime and Japanese RPGs.

What kind of late medieval knight?
The one in full plate unable to dismount from his horse? Or the foot soldier holding his rake for a weapon?
Jap horsemen wore light armors, longbows and something called o-gatana, twice the length of their ordinary sword.
A standard katana may be beaten by a longsword, but melee weapons in Japan are more than that.

>better balance and therefore speed
While you must truly be bad at swordplay to be slow with anything lighter than a zweihander, katanas feel almost as easy to twirl around as a butterknife.

>The one in full plate unable to dismount from his horse
The weight of the armor is evenly distributed. It isn't hard to dismount.

Fencer here. It's the form. Japanese blades were never used during massive wars with people wearing heavy armor. Most the time their sword was a sidearm. Samurai were experts in bows not blades. Though the sword is very lethal and allows fast movements, along with a very practical balance. The blades were weak. Any party was a chance of breaking your blade. Therefor the style involves requires glancing party's with side steps. Very fucking hard.

Honestly, it's just admirable they could use them. They were also made very well.

If you get into sword fighting in any form. Everyone has their opinion. Though most will agree they would prefer a heavy blade. Most would use a straight sword with a large guard and about. 60:40 balance. Fencing blades are best for no armor, straight for leather and studded, after that it doesn't matter. Just something fucking heavy.

source is history. do some youtube links suffice or do you want actuall papers because that might take longer than the livespan of the thread. but a simple look at the armor would suffice.

>I remember the days when these conversation were had on /asp.....in the days before the wrasslefags came

>Judo
>Westener

I understand that you're referring to Olympic Judo but you still sound like a fucking idiot

Because despite being a tiny faggot island, the japanese swordsmanship was so fucking god tier that they managed to remain uninvaded until the british came in with fucking guns.

Don't use kendo as an example of japanese swordsmanship.

That's like using fencing as an example of european swordsmanship you fucking faggot.

And you fucking know it.

/asp/ became the garbage can for wwe degenerates.

the common soldier isnt a knight. neither is the common soldier in a feudal japanese army a samurai. also knights can dismount. infact it was common to dismount during a battle if stuck after a cavalry charge. the whole knights cant get up or cant get down from a horse is bullshit. and fighting from horse is a huge dissatvantage if you arent moving so they dismount. there are enought fairly accurate replicas and videos of people moving around easily in them. a lot of fat people carry around much more wheigth and can get up just fine (well not all of course).

Because we don't make animes

>Untipped feders while thrusting
>No gloves
>No arm protection
>no shin/torso protection
>Bare skin, anywhere

Sweet merciful christ this is a HEMA safety nightmare who is even letting them do this?
Not wearing protective gear isn't 'cool' it's just fucking stupid.

It's just a fleshwound.

You know nothing you fag.

Japanese blades WERE used during massive wars with people wearing heavy armor.

Sure they used the arrows as well, but once close combat broke out, that was it, it was hand to hand.

And they weren't limited to swords either you dead set fucking drag queen.

There was a lot of other weapons involved.

Also the reason the japanese katana was so popular was because of it's structural design of flexible body hard blade that STOPPED it from being weak in battle.

Unlike the chinese jian which was sharp but brittle, and could stay sharp forever but snap easy, then compared to the chinese dao which was flexible so could last forever but would blunt easy, the katana combined both of these elements for the win.

Fucking fencers. This is why nobody takes you seriously.

You pretend to be experts on swords work when all you do is fap around and act like queers, and pretend to know it all. Fuck off.

All hail the Weeboo slayer and expert Kebab remover.

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you're both fucking faggots

steel can't do shit

AGAINST MAGIC MISSLE

>fencing is for faggots

Any kind of sword combat falls under the category of fencing you fuckwit.

And on that note, thrusting-sword combat is historically terrifying.

there are several Japanese swords and sword styles. The Japanese also have a lot of sword disarming and staff v sword techniques which makes it more fun recreationally.

>medical ages.

I know, I know, but still had a sensible chuckle.

no that would probably be because japan wasnt relevant enough to go for an all our war with a nation on the other side of the world that offers more resitance than stone age savages of the new world. sure the japs had tea and silk but the europeans could get that cheaper by trading not to mention the chinese had the same shit. swordmanship means little against guns and guns were already in wide use even in japan by the time they isolated themselves.

No it does not you fucking mincing queer.

Take your gay little jock strap and one piece fag suit and FUCK OFF.

Oho, the chinese tried to invade many, many a time.

Brush up on history and try again, you dead set steaming fucking queer.

Mongols would have dominated everything and they did until they're leader died and then they would abandon their wars and go home.

When's bed time in your country?

Mongols did take a lot of japan and would have completely taken it if they didn't suck at building ships.

Underrated post

The mongols didn't give a fuck about Japan.

They were a nomadic horse fucking race that lived off the land, what the fuck would they want with a fucking island.

Jesus you're clutching at straws.

In terms of sword construction the katana was relatively weak. Japanese iron was fairly brittle and the whole 'folded 9001 times' thing was because that's what it took to push impurities out of the metal and didn't increase the strength of the blade.
They were arguably as effective as sabers in that they more than likely couldn't cut through plate armor and were designed for cutting cloth or flesh.
Because of the way European combat developed, they invented swords and the like specifically to crush and bend armor and also cut and thrust.

Plain and simple, the katana is, in multiple ways, less effective than a European medieval longsword. It's the art the Japanese put into their swordsmanship that made it so attractive.

Nice try, fencerfag.

You are not getting into bed with me so we can "cross pork swords".

Learn a real art.

Skallagrim in youtube.

The whole "folded a mirrion times!" bullshit wasn't some mystic japan-only technique. A katana may be sharp, but so is a kukri.

Judo CHOP!

youtube.com/watch?v=5hlIUrd7d1Q
Check this

Fencer here also. Thank you for pointing this out.

They invaded a hell of a lot of eurasia.

Uhuh.

Less effective than a longsword.

A longsword is more of a bludgeoning weapon than a fucking sword. Fuck off.

One well trained samurai against one cunt in a tin suit with a longsword, and he'd just wait until you'd swung yourself tired and then finish you off like the fucking tin coated faggot you are.

>what the fuck would they want with a fucking island.

someone hasn't heard of the kamikaze

you cant really compare the late heavy armour of the sengoku era to the heavy armour of european knights of similar time. "heavy armour" that the samurai used was pretty much just the standart samurai armour with full metal breastplate. and that largely as a reaction to early guns. this kind of armour still leaves more than enough places where a regular sword can cut through. but by that time only extremly few such weakpoints were left in heavy plate armour used by knights wich is why weapons adapted to it. heavy warhammers with a large thorn to penetrate plate and sword getting increasingly stiffer and pointy. why katanas are stiff they are poorly adapted for thrusting especially considering the "weakpoints" would often still be covered in mail. without a dedicated thrusting weapon you cant really get through that so easily. japanese weapons simply show little adaptation to full plate armour. wich isnt really surprising because it arrived at about he same time in japan as guns were becoming popular so all but a thick heavy breastplate would be a waste.

>full plate
nigga this ain't wow

Which is great and all, but you fuckers didn't actually have full armies coated in tin.

That was reserved for your prestige warriors, the ones with the money.

Every other cunt was given a wooden shield and a tin sword and sent to fight and die before those tin coated cocknuggets would even enter the fray.

heres your reply you earned it

the chinese are not relevant in that regard. I was talking about a war including a european power. the chinese fell even futher behind in technology than the japanese during the centuries of japanese isolation so they dont count for shit because they still didnt make japan taste the horrors of increasingly modern war just regular war.

Katanas

youtube.com/watch?v=XLWzH_1eZsc

Plenty of historical soldiers have worn full plate metal. I mean, it's chain underneath ofcourse, but most knights still wore it.

BAIT FOR THE BAIT GOD!

The Eurofags tried to invade numerous times and failed. As did the chinks, as did the mongoloids, as did many other nations.

The only people to succeed were fucking AMERICANS.

Which is disgusting because out of all the offbreeds of Eurofags they're about the worst.

Now go back to fapping over your fucking clog wog art, you weak holed anal abuser. You're a fencer, not a tactician.

Men at arms had it.

And I suppose this wasn't the same method of operation as that used in Japan? or anywhere else for that matter.

Butthurt weeb detected.
>inb4 not an argument
Once he posts links I will.

Anime.

Name me one war the Americans won on their own?

so? same shit with the japanese, samurai werent the bulk of their army. besides there were also heavily armed mercenaries and mail was widespread.

The war for independence.

Bruce Lee and 70s movies.

>French

The French helped you out

youtube.com/watch?v=KNDRb9_sZ9E

Of course, but don't think that gives your tin coated poo pushers the upper hand, just because they've got a "superior clubbing weapon" that they choose to call a longsword.

The japs were brilliant tacticians. For centuries all you eurofags would do is face up against each other and punch away until one side fell. Typical fucking weak minded donut punching fart boxers.

>A longsword is more of a bludgeoning weapon than a fucking sword
>no, it isn't, go educate yourself.

the american civil war

The civil war.

Consider yourself owned.

> Not an amerifat.

Because ignorant people?

Their Civil war. They did a pretty good job of ass fucking themselves.

The French were fighting for you

because weeaboos.

>Dat spark at 5 seconds
I don't care what kind of sword, who made it, or who's using it.
Sword fights are fucking sexy.

Mildly amusing, mostly because you sound so upset

France

They also lost it

Are they training to be Kylo Ren?

The Americans were fighting themselves in that war

It is whether you want to admit it or not.

If you want to pretend you can do practical jabs and parries with something that large for an extended period of time, you're over romanticising your eurofetish whilst rubbing your tiny stump of a dick with your corn chip stained hand you blubbery fucking toilet.

civil wars was not the war of independence

Yeah, it takes military genius to butcher and enslave sandle wearing goldfish tenders

kek.

Nah, I'm actually cackling like muttley. ;)

>romanticising your eurofetish
>romanticising your confederate fetish

I know.

In the end we all should have won, but those fuckers sure showed us.

Hahaha, that's more like it. :D

>already mentioned not amerifat.

>still not amerifat.

Naw.

Three kinds of swords are used in fencing, and theyre all primarily thrusting weapons.

No one is using a primarily cutting sword in a fencing competition.

Cause its flashy and useless so it takes long to actually do sth so you have the illusion he does sth

they invaded japan twice and failed at their shores.