Billy's biggest problem is that he needs editing. He needs pushback. He needs confrontation to produce his best work. When he's left to his own devices, he gets lost in his own bullshit. He produces equal amounts of genius and shit, but he personally can't tell the difference.
Brayden Parker
TheFutureEmbrace is good.
Zachary Lewis
Is he /our guy/?
Colton Taylor
The lyrics to that song get me every time
Jordan Nelson
Billy Corgan, from 91-96, was a concentrated songwriting fucking machine. He just couldn't stop writing great songs like holy shit Listen to the aeroplane flies high and pisces iscariot. enough b sides to make a 9/10 album. B sides better than entire catalogs of bands from that time. The fact that he went from the best songwriter on earth to starting some Pumpkins shell and appearing on Infowars all the time is hilarious
Henry Murphy
Of course he is a genius His new album is great too
Asher Fisher
it always amazes me that Ava Adore has like 3.6 on RYM and Everlasting Gaze has 3.5
by which I mean Ava should be bold and Gaze is one of the worst songs ever recorded
public opinion really fucked up with this band
Kayden Parker
Yeah but people would say the same thing about Bullet With Butterfly Wings.
I fucking hate that song.
Christian Morgan
>Billy Corgan, from 91-96 Adore and Machina had great songs as well
Parker Rivera
>Gaze is one of the worst songs ever recorded What's wrong with it? It's fine.
David Clark
kek
okay I would probably afford it a 2* "generic poor buttrock song" rating but that little bit where the instrumentation cuts out and he's just singing bullshit lyrics is seriously the most unforgivable moment in the entire Pumpkins discog. worse than anything on Shitegeist even
Chase Butler
OK - so here is my BC / SP story.
Went to lollapalooza to see Beasties, Breeders and P-funk. Green Day was the opener. Green day was mehhh- kind of sounded like a Clash wannabe band.
There were like a dozen of us so I held the space for the shows ans Breeders sucked, Beasties were Beasties and G Clinton didnt show up but PFunk was (as always) perfection.
I really didnt like SP so wandered off to check out Tshirts and get a beer and whatnot.
I'm way in the back of the venues and Smashing Pumpkins start playing and the power was undeniable. While Breeders sounded fragile and out of sync, everything the Pumpkins played was spot on and full of everything that I love about rock.
I became a fan that day.
Also, it was in West Virginia, whihc I liked because you know what West Virginians do on Halloween, right? Pump-Kin
Isaac Gutierrez
Oh - nd I really like Zwan
Oliver Kelly
I live in Morgantown. Where the hell was Lollapalooza in West Virginia? Was this the year Mercury Rev got kicked off the bill for being too loud?
Brandon Walker
they did but it wasn't at the pace that he had earlier they sound even better in a smaller closed venue. I saw Nu-Pumpkins at Cain's Ballroom after they did the rereleases and they played a lot of SD tunes and mopped the floor with the place
Gabriel Lopez
>bullshit lyrics kek
There's your problem.
Dominic Lopez
>they did but it wasn't at the pace that he had earlier You are right -- it was better.
Anthony Garcia
kek
Robert Powell
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Wyatt Barnes
>I only saw Nu-Pumpkins >somehow I think my opinion is relevant
William Hall
I had no idea Pitbull was capable of writing such heartfelt lyrics
Jordan Hernandez
Machina era most underrated.
Some of Corgans best songwriting desu but many songs fucked with in production and mixing. Machina 2 has some amazing music on it.
Even Zwan had amazing fucking material. Corgans just didn't select the write songs for their album. The unreleased music is genuinely terrific.
Jonathan Jackson
>Even Zwan had amazing fucking material This. lyric is one of the best songs he ever wrote.
>SIYL is possibly the best Pumpkins song. This guy knows what's up
Chase Foster
Machina is still a stupidly unique album in its sound and kind of ahead of its time imo and honestly ive noticed quite a bit of musicians cribbing from the sound it established in the last ~5 or so years.
Jack Carter
Like what/who?
Bentley Turner
bump
William Cox
Gish [Caroline, 1991]
if you can dig art-rock fantasia--and hey, why not?--this has a nice witchy wail to it ("Rhinoceros") *
Lull [Caroline EP, 1991] :(
Siamese Dream [Virgin, 1993]
hooked on sonics ("Geek U.S.A.," "Today") ***
Melon Collie and the Infinite Sadness [Virgin, 1995]
"1979" *choice cuts*
Adore [Virgin, 1998] :(
Machine/The Machines of God [Virgin, 2000]
Galloping into the wasteland just in time to save the world from an onslaught of meaningless pop comes a genuine Rock Band caterwauling tunefully about Things That Matter: the death of God, the rain that falls on everyone, "a boy and a girl, simple yes but eternal always," and, most significant of all, hearing one's "favourite song" on the radio. Makes sense that at this moment in history Al Gore's spiritual megrims seem so much more fascinating than Billy Corgan's-Gore might actually affect our lives. But what can it mean that his vocal cadences are sexier? C+
Zeitgeist [Martha's Music/Reprise, 2007] *bomb*
John Phillips
"Everybody has a finite number of good songs in them, and I'm no exception. Paul McCartney, one of the finest songwriters of the 20th century, has written nothing but manure for over 25 years. Rock stars over the age of 30 do not produce important material."
Liam Wood
Christgau only likes short, upbeat, fun songs that contain a message he agrees with. Pay him no mind.
Andrew Morris
After Mellon Collie, he really didn't try anymore.
Hunter Morris
Smashing Pumpkins have never been a critical darling like, say, U2.
Tyler Wilson
And yet he said he liked Magic Pie when it came out in the 90s.
Parker Cooper
>one of the most overlooked guitarists ever Fucking THIS
His tones are out of this world. He produced sounds I've never heard anyone else replicate, like the solo in Starla and that 15min jam track from Earphoria. He has a really unique melodic sense and his playing is one of the most expressive I've heard. I mean, that solo in Soma, holy shit.
Yo give Oceania another try. It has this spacious, inspired mood to it and some of his best songs since the 90's.
This. The whole cyber-goth thing is really unique. Really love the shoegaze sounds. It REALLY needs a remaster though.
Jonathan Morales
>Billy Corgan turned 30 around when MCATIS came out >he never wrote anything worth a flying fuck again
Cosmic...
Asher Kelly
>inspired mood Then why do the songs sound uninspired?
Jonathan Turner
Too bad his voice (if you want to call it that) can't match his guitar.
Jeremiah Rogers
bump
Joshua Morris
That "I SHALL BE FREE!" line was so fucking cathartic as a teenager.
Caleb Miller
It's still cathartic and I'm 27.
You never really stop looking for freedom.
Joseph Peterson
IT IS MY OPINION that he lifted the riff from 'Hello Kitty Kat' from the second riff on Kerbdog's 'Schism'. Great artists steal and all that and Corgan's riffs at the end of Kat are just gnarly but...I just think he stole it. That is the point of this post.