The fact that anyone can be right winged past the age of 21 in beyond me.
Are they too dumb to see that capitalism doesn't work? Or do they know that it doesn't work but they're just selfish and only care about themselves?
Give me one reason why socialism does't work.
Pro tip: you can't
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The only advantage of socialism is the equal and equitable distribution of misery. For an example see Venezuela.
OP is a faggot go to Sup Forums
greed
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venesuala, korea, cambodia, ussr, china, cuba, etc.
Or you could not be a fucktard and look at the Nordic nations.
>relative poverty
No one cares faggot
Almost all those poor people live in countries with corrupt shitty governments and low economic freedom.
'Poverty related causes'
Wow really made me think
>capitalism doesn't work
Compared to what
>what evidence socialism doesn't work
Socialist countries
The more socialism, the slower the reduction in poverty and the more poverty
I'll take "What are still capitalistic societies for 1000 Alec."
Capitalism built the infrastructure for your fat loser ass to drive on, to connect to the internet and post your uneducated ideas. And all the utilities that serve your useless ass? Yep, capitalism built that too. Do you also complain about capitalism when you're driving through Mickey deez for a late night snack? Fucking idiot.
OP is just a lazy fuck that can't get a job and wants everything handed to him
>nordic countries
>socialist
The meme that keeps giving
>Give me one reason why socialism does't work.
Venezuela
Google it, faggot. Socialism has been tried and tried and tried. It fails, and it fails because bureaucrats will NEVER distribute resources more equitably nor more efficiently than a free market.
Stop being a fucking retard and thinking that government employees aren't any more greedy and shady than a company's.
That's because the Nordic countries still have free markets. When the government takes control of the means of production shit gets fucked up. Hell, in Venezuela they can't even make ass wipe.
"Capitalism doesn't work for me because I'm unoriginal, lazy, and have little ambition in life."
>fixed it for ya
Every political system has winners and losers. The fact that anyone past the age of 21 can not understand this is beyond me.
If you idiots think that Socialism and Capitalism is a black and white matter, you really are retarded.
GDP per ca-pita has increased, poverty and unemployment has dropped. Allthanks to the socialist government. The capitalist government combined with low oil prices caused the economic failure of their economy. Look at ecuador and bolivia. They have two of the fastest growing economies in latin america. Capitalists are strangely quiet about them though...
But they still have way more socialist policies than, say, the United States or Great Britain.
Then explain it
Capitalism works better than any other system. It has only been through watering down by progressive socialists through the years that we have ended up in this god tier shit mess we are in. Don't need to provide examples of why socialism sucks. Look around faggot. The only socialist country that is faux "working" is China and they are as corrupt and backwards as it gets. Their days are numbered. 100 years from now they will be broke and beholden financially to India or some BS like that. Quit hating on the greatest fucking country in the history. of the world. Moved to Canada and stfu already.
I don't know why anyone wants communism, every attempt has ended in failure and death, if you really don't like capitalism you should want national socialism
Nordic people in USA are also less poor and more productive on average. Even though most of the immigrants were people who didn't own land, so more poor
Redistributive states trap people in poverty and reduce motivation to get ahead
If Socialism is so great, why is America ducking such ass?
People always try this argument but the difference is that they are relatively wealthy countries due to their oil resources and have extremely small populations compared to the USA.
Any rich, small country can survive under basically any system, at least for awhile. Socialism would be fine if your country had infinite resources to support the people. Once the money runs out, or is throttled, you have a big problem. We're already starting to see the beginning of the collapse of the Nordic system.
America has lots of problems to be sure but considering how large the population is, most people do pretty well. You can live a comfortable lower middle-class life with relative ease as long as you aren't retarded, meaning don't try to live in the richest part of the country when you have no marketable skills.
As someone who just posted some rage in this thread, we just got baited
>inb4 le meme face
>Give me one reason why socialism does't work.
CIA Black Ops
>Cronyism is capitalism
>it's someone else's job to feed you
shared misery is not my idea of freedom
there will always be the haves and the have nots
nothing will change that
it is as instrumental to the human experience as is violence.
capitalism is the system which allows the highest percentage of people make something of themselves. there will always be a percentage of people that are homeless/poor
as Winston Churchill once said "if you are not a liberal by age 20, you have no heart. if you are not a conservative by age 40, you have no brain."
>its not capitalism, its cronyism!
nice meme
>most powerful nation in history created with capitalism
Tell me more about how it "doesn't work"
Anyone that is a left wing needs to be sterilized as their genes are polluted. The reason things are the way they are is because the fucking liberals are in charge and blaming their failures on the conservatives.
We don't use pure capitalism in today's society. No developed nation does. Why do you insist on arguing that pure Socialism (Say, Black) is worse than impure Capitalism (Say, light grey). You can have impure socialism with partly capitalistic markets with socialism as well. There is a potential continuum of policies between the two, which is why I pointed out the Nordic nations. They lean toward socialistic, but still have capitalistic markets.
At least this isn't a fluffy or furry thread.
>why doesn't socialism work
look at the socialist democracies of Europe after refugees started streaming across their borders. Most of these countries have projected that they will go bankrupt within 5 years. Look it up.
Also we can't feed all of the hungry people on earth due to LOGISTICS, not capitalism.
Do a little actual research instead of regurgitating propaganda you mindless drone.
>GDP per capita has increased
By fucking nothing
>poverty has dropped
Not really, and you'd think it would drop at least a little.
Daily reminder they're killing zoo animals to stop starving, and they had hours of breadlines until the government banned them. They also have forced labour
>low oil prices caused the failure
Yeah or maybe the fact they had a huge wasteful welfare state they couldn't afford based on an economy with zero growth sustained only on oil. Because socialist states don't produce wealth so everyone should be poor, unless you have natural resources
>two of the fastest growing economies in latin america
Which is a shitty continent of shitty socilaist countries where everyone is poor and miserable.
Chile is probably the fastest growing. Wonder why
Just accept it!
This will become reality!
The fact that anyone can be American and past the age of 21 is beyond me.
There is a trade off between equity and efficiency, in the capitalist system the market equilibrium allows to reach the efficiency level required but without overly sacrificing the equity of resources, so the capitalist system historically produce more and have less income inequality than socialist systems.
The socialist system in the name of an ideal of equality, sacrifice the system efficiency, with the inefficient system the government focuses most of the resources in their hands to try to solve the system's inefficiency and failure, with a population without resources and a bankrupt economy the socialist system collapses.
No system is perfect but capitalism is the one that best combines efficiency and equity.
I dont give a fuck that you're a poor piece of shit that's why. I worked hard for my nice life and dont want you lazy faggots taking the rewards of my hard work away. Fuck socialism, the strong survive, the weak die it's how life is deal with it.
We can point to countries with relatively less cronyism and relatively better outcomes.
interestingly, the less economic freedom, the more corruption. that's what the evidence seems to say
if capitalism doesnt work, how did we get this far? and why do all socialist countries eventually become basketcases?
OP, can you name a system of governance that DOES work? It doesn't matter which "ism" you choose, the power and capital end up in the hands of the few.
Pro tip: What you think is capitalism, isn't. There hasn't been true free enterprise or real capitalism in the US for years. What you see is a mishmosh of marxist/socialist theory, a true top down, gov. run failure.
That image is horrible. Take a class in desktop publishing for fuck's sake.
Who ever made this picture never lived in Idaho. We would raid a launch silo and nuke DC before going commie.
Cries capitalism does not work yet fails to realise the USA is very socialist and capitalism is what made the USA the power it is. Ya go socialism works great in Cuba doctors only become taxi drivers cause the capitalist taxi driver in one day makes what the doc does in a month oh and food is going very well in south america and let's not forget China when they copied the USSR the massive numbers of people who died from lack of food since the government thought they had enough lol
Denmark is pretty cool since a lot of things are just paid by tax money and made equal to everyone.
High tax rate tho, but still enough money to do personal buys while everything essential is just "free'
I don't mind this idea, but clearly the whole world can't do the same
Also I could be wrong since it was just from a project I did
funny thing about OP's picture is that its complaining about the excesses of capitalism and hard work, then cries about bums who expect to ride on the backs of hardworking people.
niggers ruin everything
>all this super obvious propaganda in the catalog
fucking Sup Forums
The fact communism still exists boggles my mind, when will this cancer end
But if you think people can spend their own money better than the government then surely they'd be better off just cutting taxes.
Danes in USA are probably better off
Go be a nation-wrecker somewhere else
>nordic nations
You mean like Norway, who was invaded by the Nazis, but who were also the allies of Nazis, so Nazis didn't hurt them, but when the war was over they were like "oh, no, we were technically invaded, so we won't pay reparations, and we'll still keep fascism in our country because hey, we were invaded so shush! and we promise to fight fascism that still lingers in our political system *wink-wink*"? Those nordic countries?
A lot of smart posts from both sides itt, this is not one of them.
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>Capitalism works
>america is no longer capitalistic
>the banks should have collapsed and we should have had great depression part 2
Let's go here. The commie is whack. Sage.
>70 year old history
Bruh
Socialism only works in all white countries where everyone cares about the greater good.
What point are you trying to make? If we didn't bail out the big banks we'd be eating out of the trash and cannibalising each other?
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We'd recover over time instead we have just prolonged the inevitable. The cycle is starting all over again too.
cool I thought you were saying the bailouts were 'socialistic' but still good
Not at all just pointing out america is no longer following capitalism. Under capitalism, the banks would have failed and other banks would have replaced them.
Also liberalsim is government control and racism
USSR
Because people naturally do things to benefit themselves and their family, therefore most intelligent people are competitive and work hard to have a better quality of life than others. Without Capitalism, a lot of luxuries wouldn't be available, people would have no incentive to work and therefore nothing would ever get done because they think that everything will be handed to them on a platter.
As well as this, certain jobs would go undone as socialism calls for a lower pay disparity and therefore harder jobs which require more responsibility would remain unfilled because of the lack of incentive.
In short, capitalism helps the world go round because humans are naturally greedy or lazy, which may just happen to be the reason why many uneducated, or lower educated poor people are anti capitalism and pro socialist.
>Socialists are either idiots who aren't prepared to work or... well... they aren't very good people.
>pic related
>Give me one reason why socialism does't work.
How about the last 7 years of the Great Depression?
They probably wouldn't have gone bust in the first place.
>fractional reserve banking
>the FED
>'affordable housing' policy
>moral hazard of potential bailouts
True m8, true. America hasn't followed capitalism in a while. Its why things are so fucked up now
prolly bait but ill bite.
capitalism isn't perfect but it does a pretty fine job. Its always the fucktards and selfish assholes that cause imbalance in a system.
For example, ideally socialism is fine but it very easily turns to communism when one person or a small group of people gain power.
Nothings perfect
Socialism doesn't work because eventually you run out of other peoples money to spend on your stupid liberal fucking ideas.
Capitalism in its pure form has never existed. Pain & suffering ALWAYS has. Y u no think first?
yes i love. But i wouldnt love them if they didnt hav ability.
Whut?
Unfit to be human? Try SOCIALISM!
Unwilling to be human? Try CAPITALISM!
We don't have free market capitalism you stupid fuck, we have a system where corporations can bribe the government into making regulations that reduce competition. An example is the FDA, we would have access to many more cheap generics if the FDA were abolished and the market was allowed to police it's self. Right now the Government says ANY drug must be FDA approved to be sold, basically giving the government a monopoly on drugs. Not only is this process political but only a handful of multi billion dollar corporations can afford to pay the FDA to test their drugs. Socialism is cancer, the Government is so inefficient at everything that they would fuck it up. The current market in the US is full of government protectionism, take Uber for example. The fact that it's a better free market solution pisses off cab unions because they lose money. Why should the government be allowed to ban it just because people prefer it?
moving to Canada is a great idea you should too.
Like the Netherlands, Canada also has mostly a free market economy, but has a very extensive welfare system that includes free health and medical care. Canadians remain more open-minded and liberal than Americans, and Canada is ranked as one of the best top five countries to live in by the United Nations and the Human Development Index (HDI) rankings.
>free health care
>free
Tbh you're probably better off living somewhere nice in America away from the niggers where you can own a gun and drive around with low gas prices
The issue with most people is they feel as though their success is 100% the product of their own personal fortitude. These individuals literally believe they're better than other people, and therefore, they deserve what they have and everyone else doesn't. Is someone doing better than them? Well, they must work harder or be smarter or some such rationalization. They just can't come to terms with the fact that pay and title and position in society is completely arbitrarily decided by factors that are a MAJORITY outside of the individuals control. There is still social and economic mobility in this country, but it is SEVERELY hindered in comparison to the past. EXTREMELY. One of the most consistent drivers of mobility is EDUCATION, and look at what has happened to that: massive debt loads and increased costs - both monetary and time - for tests, certifications, and etc. While I don't subscribe to conspiracy theories, it is no surprise to me that through all this people believe there's an embodied "ruling class" that is purposefully tying to make it harder to get ahead in life. Objectively, regardless of the method, it is getting harder, and generally, for no good reason. There is an INSANE amount of wealth that has been generated in the past decade and a half. Where is it all going?
>literally citing commies on ur poster
Fuck off "socialist"
Neither does communism faggot
Fascism forever
>Give me one reason why socialism does't work.
Because the government isn't your friend.
The root of exploitation is centralized power. Taking away control of the means of production from the wealthy and giving it to the state only serves to replace many powerful people vying to exploit the common man with one singular and insurmountable force that not only controls the means of production; but also the legal system, the police, and the military.
The solution is not to further centralize power into the hands of the state; but to decentralize wealth and ownership into the hands of more people.
>These individuals literally believe they're better than other people, and therefore, they deserve what they have and everyone else doesn't.
No, it's because they earned that money, and it's theirs, and that's why they deserve it.
I don't have to ask about the opinion of commies as to whether someone else deserves my money
>rising costs of college
Government is putting a lot of money into this result. Interest rates are also very low
This.
Op wants to say that centralized ownership in the hands of some people is bad.
So, he wants to combat it by centralizing ownership into the hands of other people (the govt).
Conclusion, Op is an idiot.
Except the people who have money in todays world didnt earn it. They lied cheated and stole.
>not hating on capitalism but that isnt what america has.
Those are high school level counterpoints, and I think you have me confused with the other poster you're ranting at.
>No, it's because they earned that money, and it's theirs, and that's why they deserve it.
What does this have to do with anything? I don't give a shit about the $700 you have put away in your "savings account." This isn't a discussion about redistribution of wealth.
>Government is putting a lot of money into this result. Interest rates are also very low
You're making a point that's irrelevant to my point. Education should be cheaper and more accessible. I don't give a shit who's fault it is.
yes komrade!
18 million die each year from poverty-related causes; One third of all human deaths.
>capitalism is the cause of this
Global agricultural production can feed more than 1.18 times the global population 868 million people go hungry.
>make them dependent on our agricultural production, to hell with their farmers and their families because were going to undercut any ability those people have to generate income.
5 vacant homes for every homeless person
>houses have no overhead, upkeep, maintenance, costs for electricity, water, or that we would be incentivizing being a homeless person.
77.5% of households are in debt
1/7 are being hounded by a debt collector
>a certain percentage of those are not just foolish spending
>capitalism doesn't work
>socialism/communism does work
>welfare hasn't helped big box corporations i.e. walmart
>welfare hasn't destroyed the black family
>social programs that are meant to help never ever manage to hurt people.
fuck off bernie
In Socialism, the government does NOT take control of production.
The workers themselves will control the means of production by owning and operating the factories themselves.
The government will handle infrastructure and utilities.
Don't confuse Socialist doctrine with Soviet style State Capitalism.
You're right. I forgot it was called "The Union of Soviet Capitalist Republics", or USCR for short.
Ultimately, all socio-political constructs fall prey to the same flaw: the greed and ineptitude of those in charge. Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. The only solution will be when we achieve singularity.
To anybody willing to put in their fair share of work in life, capitalism works wonders. As long as you live within your means you'll have everything you need in life (and many things you want).
Lazy assholes who'd rather everyone else pay their way through life hate capitalism because it doesn't work for them. And they can go fuck themselves because I sure as hell don't owe you a life any more than you owe me one.
The problem is 'the workers will control the means of production' is still pretty meaningless and suffers from similar problems to central planning
Socialism doesn't work because in order for it to work everyone has to work for each other. Nobody is motivated in a drone society where they are expected to share the same weight with others, or are assigned roles from the beginning of their life. People are individual and socialism attempts to strip everyone of individuality in order to create a hive mind rather than a society. Also, the people at the top are always corrupt and control the worker bees (average population) yet don't work for a hive. They work for themselves. And they always become greedy. So socialism has never and will never work.
Capitalism works just fine for me.
Maybe you're just a pussy.
Why do you not let losers dream? Why do you bash losers with your flawless logic and advanced vocabulary?