Is it morally wrong to torture/kill bugs for fun?

Is it morally wrong to torture/kill bugs for fun?

my pet has fleas thanks due to him getting out last week, when i find a flea biting my leg i usually throw it in the sink and burn that fucker with a lighter before washing it down.

no, they deserve it :D

not at all! they are just bugs

>for fun?
yes

>to remove a pest?
no

Not quite. Bugs dont register any kind of pain so torture isnt really possible. Meanwhile it is hard to say about killing them because people often kill a variety of other species for food or territory.

Ok, what about a situation in which you do need to hunt for food but you still take excessive joy in the act of killing?

>Bugs dont register any kind of pain

And you know this how?

only the taking joy part of it is wrong then

They dont have pain receptors. Fucking science class, nigga.

If it can suffer, it's wrong. It you disagree, then you deserve to suffer

Trips don't lie

Niggers can suffer.

Its not enough to kill fleas they have to suffer

Is it morally wrong to put down a dog who attacks humans out of self defence?

>They dont have pain receptors. Fucking science class, nigga.

lrn2neuroscience, nigga

Pain is a phenomenon which occurs in the brain. It doesn't require "pain receptors". cf Phantom Limb Syndrrome, neuropathic pain, etc.

how the fuck should I know I'm not the all knowing guardian of morality.

Their brains are literally only large enough to function like the AI in a video game. It understands that losing (death) is bad and should avoid it but it doesnt understand why.

>It understands that losing (death) is bad and should avoid it but it doesnt understand why.

Anyone who claims to know what a bug's brain "understands" is anthropomorphizing.

I used to torture bugs all the time as a kid. STrip all the legs and wings from moths and butterflies and keep them in my pocket as my 'grubs'.

Used to heat up pins and go to town on boxes of woodlice. Throught he eyes, in the mouth, remove organs etc.

Cut off the eyes of snails, remove their shells but keep them alive. Pour salt into their air holes, stub out burning matches into their faces.

Plasma ball.. well I figured out that if you place a conductive surface ona palsma ball, it can transfer its spark through the ball and into a bug. I'd put woodlice on tin foil wrapped plasma ball and hod a scewdriver over them and watch them ignite, get arc cut in half and just give over to the heat. Same with beetles, worms, snails etc.

I'd also impale beetles on a wire brush and leave them for days, suffoacte bugs in glass jars, poison them etc.

Slugs were fun. If you stand on one end and make their guts balloon to the other end and stab them with a pointy knfie their shit explodes like a cannon. lol

Surprisingly though, I'm normal.. don't hurt anything anymore since being a kid, never hurt anything but a frog before and during all that bugholocaust. Animal lover, family man and just a simple pervert.

No its not. Im not humanizing it.

>They dont have pain receptors.

If your argument is based on the inability to feel pain, then you would have to argue that killing a human who couldn't feel pain (analgesia) is also acceptable.

No, scientists have actually mapped several arthropod (read: all bugs, crabs, etc) brains and there just aren't enough neurons to be anything but instinctual and reactionary

Not really. The brain registers sensory information as collected through nerves. In humans, as with most mammals and more complex animals, pain is registered through our nociceptor nerves. It travels through the brain where we experience both an instinctive revulsion to the sensation as well as various levels of subconscious and conscious "suffering".

Insects both do not have nociceptors, and their brains are also not complicated enough to register any level of proper "suffering". They simply experience a genetic instinct to deviate from damage sources.

Now, that's a bit of an oversimplification, but it encompasses the gist of what we currently know about the question of insects and suffering through pain. In a more philosophical sense, it could be argued that we simply don't know enough about the ideas of awareness and what constitutes thought to truly say whether or not insects deserve their low place on the scale of which animal suffering matters legally and which doesn't.
But as they say, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and right now the idea of insects genuinely suffering from pain is an extraordinary claim.

Hope that cleared things up for you

There is no definitive proof of objective morality, it is in human interest to not torture and kill our own for the sake of survival which honestly we are overpopulated anyway so. My point is, no. Go wild.

Yes, correct

The human brain can experience pain in the absence of any nociceptor activity: for example Phantom Limb Syndrome and neuropathic pain.

In addition, the brain can ignore nociceptor input. Happens in combat and emergency situations all the time.

Pain is a psychological phenomenon.

I generally don't care about killing bugs and insects, but I have a few rules.

>I don't kill spiders , they are bros and eat shit tier insects like mosquitos and flys.
>I don't kill beetles because some species take years to develop from a grub to an adult species and are generally harmless, unless they are the type that eat away at your wooden furniture or weevils that like to eat our food are all game .
>do not kill bees, we need them little furry bastards more than we realise .
>butterflys and some species of moth I would not kill either apart from them annoying cunts at night time that get up in your face when shit posting on Sup Forums.
>mantis and stick insects I do not kill they are fascinating creatures
>ants can go to hell.
>no rare bugs

The rest can burn

> instinctual and reactionary

As if human response to pain isn't.

What makes life sacred?

Interesting concept of morality.

The difference is we can remember pain, wish for ongoing pain to stop, hope to die to end the pain. These are much higher level brain functions than insects have. Once the pain stops for them it is forgotten

Damn user....

It's morally wrong to suck dicks but It ain't a problem for you, so why do you care now ?

In order to register pain you need neurons to signal other neurons for pain, bugs just have couple of neurons to register movement,sensory etc... Also in order to register pain you need a central nervous system... Which bugs don't have

Nice chart faggot

bugs are robots, so no

Fuck spiders. I murder the shit out of them.

Fuck outta here with your sophist shit

My chart is sacred, go suck your mums dick.

is it ok to have sexual feelings towards my cousin?

>In order to register pain you need neurons to signal other neurons for pain

No, I have twice provided examples that show this is untrue.

"Pain" is a human phenomenon. We don't know whether other species have an analogous phenomenon because we can't communicate with them. But we might deduce from their behavior in struggling to escape damage that there is one.

It's true that these things can occur in humans and more complex creatures, but none of these phenomena are observed in insects and we have yet to find any evidence as to their brains having the faculties to support them.
It isn't entirely true that pain is psychological, just like it's not totally true that it's physiological. There is a complex intermarriage of factors at play that work to how pain is felt and how severely.
But again, not in insects.

If I kick my dog in the stomach and he yelps, I'm pretty sure that is the result of Pain.

You are fucking stupid.

you were a pretty fucked up kid dude i mean i jack off to soft core porn but finding shit like that fun is something else

>we have yet to find any evidence as to their brains having the faculties to support them

Well, that's quite a leap since we don't even understand how the human brain produces "pain". Why do some societies experience childbirth as pain and others don't? We understand human pain only at a very superficial level.

What a bitch! It was a compliment you waste of stem cells. Why the fuck do you even insult my mom you fetal outburst?! I bet your dad forgot the condom in your moms mouth, then she swallowed it and you were conceived in her stomach. Then she shat you and that's why you're such a piece of shit!

I spray a roach with Raid and he runs around, turns upside down, and kicks his legs for 10 minutes. If the roach could "Yelp", don't you think it would?

kek
also fuck spiders, the ones inside my house arent even big enough to catch flies with their web

I suppose in your view it would also be acceptable to kill an unconscious or sleeping person.

This. Fuck spiders, set them all on fire

If you can't feel things you can't move. Everything feels pain

Me too lol.
I had this poisonous plant in my backyard and used to milk it into a container full of water then put frogs in it and seal it so theyd drown in poison.
I also used a lot of rubber cement because its flammable.

Torturing animals in youth is a strong indicator of psychopathy.

You are an idiot.
Show me the evidence than insects feel pain.
There is a reason why insects have so many offspring compared to mammals .

There inability to feel pain means they are more likely to die , to assure that there genes get passed on they have 100s of babies every time the reproduce maximizing the chances that there genes will survive .

We mammals feel pain, imagen if we didn't feel pain.
Most of us would be dead within a few months but were not so we have less offspring as a result.

This isn't the only reason why we have less babys compared to other animals but I'm pretty sure this is one of them .

This is one argument in 1000

I know. I have major depression and anxiety plus dissociative identity disorder. But I dont think I'm a sociopath Idk.
I also liked to put pill bugs in my bb gun and use them as ammo to shoot other animals like snakes and bees. I once poured a bunch of soap into a bag full of earthworms after a rain and the entire bag started to writhe violently.
The feeling of holding that bag was insane.

>You are an idiot.
Not an argument

>Show me the evidence than insects feel pain.

The burden of proof is on you. We impute "pain" to creatures which seek to escape physical damage.

Used to use nail clippers to remove the rear legs of grasshoppers and put snails in the microwave to see them explode.

Interestingly, you psychopaths must believe that insects feel pain else there would be no "fun" in torturing them. In fact, it would not be torture at all.