So will Batman just murder people throughout all his films now?

So will Batman just murder people throughout all his films now?
Synder has really implemented a trait onto a character which DC can't take back unless they reboot Batman again, which it looks like they wont.
So are you ok that from now on Batman is a killer?

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Yeah hopefully the no kill rule he has is dumb as fuck.

I'm not paying a cent to watch anything from this universe until they reboot it.

The DCEU is dead.

Bury it.

Consider this mercy.

>So will Batman just murder people throughout all his films now?
You didn't watch the movie, isn't it?

In an Ideal world the DCCU would look like:

DC Cinematic Universe

The Batman
Man of Steel
Batman: The Riddler
The Flash
Wonder Woman

Justice League (throw in Aquaman and Cyborg)

Batman: The Red Hood
Suicide Squad
Superman: Doomsday
Green Lantern
The Green Arrow
The Flash: Flashpoint

Justice League: Darksied

Before the fight scene to save Supermans mum he litrally shoots someone on a turret which the Batwings cannons and explodes him. Then stabbes a guy in the chest during the fight, which might not of killed him. But then definitely kills the guy with the flamethrower. And thats all one scene

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The rule itself is stupid. I'm fine with Batman killing

then how would the dynamic work with most of his villians? If he has a no kill rule why is The Joker still alive?

That's right, and it's also before Superman dying, Batman lears from this experience and decides to stop killing.

The movie didn't explain why he dropped it, that's why people are pissed about it.

Joker never gives him a reason to kill him? I.e batman only kills in self defence

Batman literally killed in all the movies.
>muh no kill rule
Fuck off.

It's not stupid without it he's just some thug who goes around murdering everyone without a trial.

He's suppose to be heroic.
Even worse in this movie is Superman murdering everyone even though he's invincible.

It did, you along with all the other add retards weren't paying attention

Iron man 3, civil war and hulk are criminally overrated even in capeshit terms

What's wrong with that as long as he's killing criminals? He's breaking the law anyway

Alfred sort of touches on it with the "turns good men cruel" speech, and we see him looking at Robins old costume. Hopefully the extended edition goes more into it, but it touches on it.

Joker says in Dark Knight, "kill you? what would I do without you?" and it's explained in the comics batman sort of feels the same way. They both give each other purpose.

Sort of fucked, I know, but these people are psychopaths (yes, even bats).

Lol that last panel

>Hulk
>Overrated
Even Marvel hates to brought it up.

>So are you ok that from now on Batman is a killer?

I am, but I would feel better if he were upgraded from killer to Genocider. Just because it offends faggots like OP.

>The movie didn't explain why he dropped it

It's literally in the trailer. Wow. Just wow.

Yeah in 1989 Batman it seems there isnt a no kill rule. But in Nolan Batman films he never intentionally kills people. I dont think he meant to kill Talia and maybe he knew he would kill Harvey when pushing him of the building but thats when he was pushed to the very limit

He's not the Punisher he's suppose to be a figure people look up to.

Kek. Nothing is more sweet than the tears of nerds

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As long as he doesn't kill people in cold blood I'm fine with it.

You can kill people in self defence without losing your hero cred

No, he's supposed to instill fear in criminals.

Its sounds gay but he wasnt Batman at that point. And again I dont think his intention was to kill everyone in the building

It's a shit explanation and doesn't give enough detail.

Why does he need to kill them if we know he can just beat them so bad they cant fight back

Are you retarded? Batmans arc in this movie was how he lost his way as a hero and then found himself again after the fight. They even show that he chose not to brand Luthor in the cell. He gave that up.

The guns on the batmobile are gone in Suicide Squad.

Niggers and feminists.

His training was done.
>I will not be an executioner.
>Kills a ton of ninjas.

BRAVO NOLAN

No, do as Marvel did and build up a C-lister into an A-lister. DCCU should've started with a Green Lantern that isn't absolute shit. They wanted to, what with Amanda Waller showing up randomly in it, but it was such a garbage movie they had to leave the IP alone for 9 years.

It should've gone
>Green Lantern (Kyle Rayner or John Stewart)
>The Flash: Rogues
>Aquaman
>Wonder Woman
>The World's Finest (Batman and Superman TEAM UP here, no fucking fighting)
>Justice League
>Cyborg
>Superman: War World
>The Flash: Reverse
>Green Lantern: Sinestro Corps War
>Batman: The Red Hood
>Wonder Woman: Deicide (or some shit)
>Aquaman 2 (I dunno here)
>Justice League: Apocalypse (Darkseid)
And so on

Is Suicide Squad after Batman v Superman or before it? Also good point. But the stigma of him just killer people will leave a bad taste in peoples mouths. Which it kinda has for me

but he didn't kill in self-defense in the snyder movies.
Snyder flat-out said he man-slaughtered the goons

There were more scenes that touched on it.

One of the dream sequences sees a nightmarish bat like figure, meaning he fears what he's become.

Alfred says at one point "everything's changed".

Bruce explains later "20 years in gotham, and how many good guys are left? how many stayed that way", meaning he's lost his faith playing mr nice guy.

It doesn't need some 30 minute cutaway explanation, it was explained plenty in the film. Perhaps you weren't paying attention.

He didn't kill them directly

but he doesn't have to save them from a fire he starts either

>Kidnap Superman's mom: get got

problem? That's a pal

According to someone who claims to have seen Suicide Squad, Batman there tries to save even criminals and doesn't even have a machine gun on the batmobile.

Nobody would watch Aquaman before a JL movie that shows he's cool

I was and it was shit.

I really like this picture

>THEY DIDN'T SPOONFEED ME WAAAH WAAH

Dude, if you didn't get it, you didn't get it. Stop crying. Nobody here is on your side. You're an idiot. If you haven't thought about suicide yet, now is a perfectly legitimate time to do so.

If that's true I'll suck your dick, Dave

People said the same about Cap, Thor, and even Iron Man before RDJ came in to save the day.

True, the people who died in the twin towers weren't killed by the people flying planes into the towers. It was the jet fuel.

They just had to do this:
>Man of Steel
Exactly the same
>Man of Steel 2
Lex Luthor framing Supes and trying to make him a threat
>Batman vs Superman
When his first plan fails, Luthorberg pits them against each other
>The Batman

>Wonder Woman

>Dawn of Justice
Zodsday

Then continue however they like. Also, give Hack Zynder the boot and give Bin Afliq total control.

They were just kinda unknown, not a joke.

>So will Batman just murder people throughout all his films now?
Yes, he was raped in prison.
This is another meta-reference to the our real world, specifically to the opposing franchise's lead actor, Robert Downey Jr., who has also spoken about how his prison experience changed him as a person.
Bravo Snyder, master of capekino.

but DC doesn't have an RDJ.

>batman kills in self defense
>won't kill joker when he threatens the lives of others

Washington DC will defend this.

>bad screenwriting is ok, you just have to fill in the literal gaps with your imagination!

fuck off fanboy.

>jet fuel
>not the thermite paint

batman keeps rebooting every decade. killer batman is a smart, unused avenue. why anybody wouldn't be okay with this?

Cap was kind of a joke, though not as much as Aquaman. Everyone thought of him as just captain jingo.

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>you just have to fill in the literal gaps with your imagination!

It was explained time and time again to you in this thread alone. It isn't "imagination". Once again, perhaps, you weren't paying attention or don't have the mental capacity to pick up on these details?

Because BvS was assdrippings.

So crippling them is more humane?

Yeah, and First Avenger had the worst MCU Box Office besides Incredible Hulk, so...

because it was extremely poorly executed.

>unused

kek

Alfred giving a vague speech is not enough, face it, the script was dogshit.

Huh.

see
As well as him looking at robins costume in rage.

Now you're just trolling.

>thor this high
>the awful sequel to thor this high
>first cap this high
>hulk this high
>age of ultron fresh

jesus fucking christ

I can understand the 1st avangers because they all came together for the first time, I get iron man 3 that was not a terrible film

but some of those scores are fucked up

didn't watch BvS nor MoS and I have no interest in doing so

What gaps are you talking about. The reason why he's become cruel is outright stated by both him and Alfred. You literally have to be a retard to not understand this.

Let me guess, you wanted a flashback of the Joker killing Robin and Batman going insane. Fucking retard.

Winter Soldier and Civil War are the crown jewels of the MCU, even though Cap got shafted in both Avengers movies.

>I don't have enough brain cells to piece together a capeshit narrative

Remove yourself from the gene pool lad

>Batman has PTSD from the Zod attack, Jason Todd being killed, etc.
>Having vivid, violent dreams
>Alcohol problems

They explained why he was acting so crazy, and then used it to develop his character and give a reason to develop the JL. Now, this would have been more apparent if they had some previous movie where things like Jason Todd dying occurred, but they weren't going to waste time appealing to normies who haven't read the most popular Batman comics.

This movie was about Batman adopting the "don't kill" mantra, not about him using it.

>Bruce explains later "20 years in gotham, and how many good guys are left? how many stayed that way", meaning he's lost his faith playing mr nice guy.
That's not what it means. Like, at all.

the explanation was stupid and vague, stop sucking Goyer's dick.

I didn't want a flashback, but Alfred seems to not even care than Batman kills and Batman doesn't give a shit either.

Fuck no I'm not OK with it. Snyder has ruined the character on film. They need to reboot.

so, the 2 best MCU are the worst performers at box office?

Sup Forums was right all the time!

>It only has one meaning.

Kill yourself now before you contaminate the gene pool.

Sometimes you gotta be put down on your knees before you can repent.

In that scene his intention is to save the guy who he was being forced to kill. So he flips the hot picker as a distraction. Not a tool to kill everyone in the room.

This

> Batman doesn't give a shit either.

So you didn't understand why the giant bat was attacking him in his dream.

Can't say I'm surprised.

What he meant by saying that is, basically, the town's gone to shit and so have the people. It's a very, very, very basic line.

trips confirm.

Try explaining that to the judge.
>I set the temple on fire, but I didn't want to kill them.
>You have to believe me.

top kek

>civil war

Are you baiting? Civil war was a monotonous bore, iron man and winter soldier are the only worthwhile marvel capeshit

Are YOU baiting? That's hideously wrong.

Fuck off with your hidden context and parallels. This meme is seriously passing me off

Agree to disagree.

you speak as if that's fact.

It also implies that maybe he himself has gone too far. When he says "we were always criminals" it's him coming to terms with that.

"He who fights monsters should see to it that he himself does not become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you."

See, if nobody spells this out for you, you simply wouldn't get it and you pretend like it's a basic line. Do you know how obvious your lack of self awareness is to people who aren't complete morons?

Considering all movie versions had killed excluding George Clooney one, yes Im OK.

Plus no killing its just a retarded rule to enforce the status quo and sell toys.

I would totally be 100% fine with Batman killing the Joker, specially in worlds like Nolan one in which there would be no repercussions.


Pic related: Its how its done

Yes, posting rt scores refutes my statement completely

It's not a meme. The giant bat attacking him in his nightmares is his subconscious telling him he's gone too far. See, this is why we can't have good capeshit. Retards like you can't appreciate it.

All you want is "fun" and that's it.
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>Do you know how obvious your lack of self awareness is to people who aren't complete morons?
Thankfully I'm not in the presence of some. I'm engaged in a conversation with someone who thinks a Batman movie is deep, and who can't understand basic lines of said movie. Someone who is defending Zack "a fratboy's favorite director" Snyder's poor directing and David Goyer's puddle-deep writing and passing it off as Shakespearean.

taking comic book shit too seriously is stupid as fuck.

These people are literally what Alan Moore was talking about.
>These days, superhero comics think the audience is certainly not nine to 13, it's nothing to do with them. It's an audience largely of 30-, 40-, 50-, 60-year old men, usually men. Someone came up with the term graphic novel. These readers latched on to it; they were simply interested in a way that could validate their continued love of Green Lantern or Spider-Man without appearing in some way emotionally subnormal. This is a significant rump of the superhero-addicted, mainstream-addicted audience. I don't think the superhero stands for anything good. I think it's a rather alarming sign if we've got audiences of adults going to see the Avengers movie and delighting in concepts and characters meant to entertain the 12-year-old boys of the 1950s.

> I'm engaged in a conversation with someone who thinks a Batman movie is deep
I never claimed it was deep. I don't believe in deep movies. Name me one movie that's deep and I'll tell you why it's not.

>and who can't understand basic lines of said movie

Says the guy that doesn't understand why Batman has given up the no kill rule.
I'm pretty sure I understand them better than you do.

how dare people wish to be entertained.

The Dark Knight was serious Capeshit and it worked because it was good, but BvS was stupid and edgy as fuck.

Why are Marvel drones so fucking stupid in that they can't even understand a basic character trait given to an older Batman for good reason?

>Everyone he knows he has failed
>Wayne Manner burned down
>Robin dead
>Gave up trying to do things the hard way and started killing people to get results and to spread fear
>By the end of the movie we see he has his hope back again, and identifies that the world is worth saving thanks to Supe's sacrifice

I'm sorry that DC has actual character motivations and development, and not just QUIP QUIP QUIP QUIP EBIN MEME QUIP QUIP QUIP.

why is Iron Man so high? it isn't that great =/