Hey frogs, can you please educate me about your presidential election?

Hey frogs, can you please educate me about your presidential election?

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>>>pol

I hope Melenchon win

Montebourg or Hamon will be the next president, pic related

Get the fuck out, Jeuxvidéo.com

JVC is more for le Pen

With a lot of ebin memers xDDDDDD supporting the Moroccan rat.

Fuck Lupen
That person's a criminal

The father is the best politician of the 20th century

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it'll probably be fillon winning against le pen 2nd turn

>François Fillon
>Marine Le Pen
>Emmanuel Macron
what do they stand for and what is their chance of winning?

>Je vais te faire courir le rouquin
Il déteste même les blancs ce gros porc.

The French are those idiots who freaked out about some tiny terror attacks. What are they freaked about right now and who will they vote for due to this?

I said that the next will be Montebourg or Hamon. Depends ot the results tomorrow.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Socialist_Party_presidential_primary,_2017

She isn't.
She's not our savior either.

If she ever get into power, which is a possibility in 2022, nothing much will change.

Such an epic joke !

Now fuck off

First round :
Le pen is at 30%, Fillon at 25% or something, all the other candidates are out. Abstention is at 40 to 50% but it's not taken in account anyway

Second turn, our medias start the propaganda about the republic's values etc, just like they did in 2002 when Le Pen was in the second round, all the voters who voted for the out candidates rally behind Fillon.

Le pen remains at 30%, Fillon is at 70%, he's now the new President. One month later his satisfaction rate is at 20% and people are complaining again, even though they elected him.

Welcome to France, where politics are a joke.

>François Fillon
80%
>Marine Le Pen
0%
>Emmanuel Macron
20%

What joke ? Learn politic.
Fillon is down and too harsh for the french
Macron is bubble
Le Pen won't win the second round

And it will be le Pen vs Hamon or Montebourg for the second round

Now fuck off

>>François Fillon
Conservative party. Calls himself Catholic traditionalist and against muslims but he's very likely lying and actually wants to destroy France like the others.
Almost guaranteed chance that he wins.
>>Marine Le Pen
You know her, nationalist party. No chance to win
>>Emmanuel Macron
A literal Goldman Sachs banker running for the liberal "left". He wasn't even supposed to be a candidate and then he did a ridiculous speech with a lot of yelling. No chance to win either.

the centre left (PS) is on suicide watch and they are basically doing a primary in which they all have Holland-like ideas.

The far left is runned by Mélanchon but it's not sure he will be backed by the French communist party (PCF) and anyway like always they will bring around 10% of the votes and lose.

You also have Macron which is a ex holland's economy minister running on an independant liberal centre left plateform. Nobody is really sure where it's going but at the moment he is really popular with the media.

Then you have François Fillon which won the centre right primary (LR for Les Républicains), and his the most likely to win the election. He BTFO Sarkozy and Juppé eventhough they were leading in the poll and the media got butthurt.

Then, finally you have Marine Le Pen running for the Front National. She had taken a severe turn to the left and though she is heading to a decent second or third higher score in the election it's unclear how she will bring together her campain as she has been really quiet until now.

First, abstention will, sadly, not be that high.

Second, abstentionnists have every right to complain as they showed they did not agree with the election as a whole.

Third, show me, good sir, the country where "representative" politics aren't a joke.

Three neoliberals masquerading as varying degrees of nationalist conservatives. Come on Francois, admit it.

It'll be Fillon, the Holland term vaccinated the majority of the population against the so-called "socialists".

so what are the main differences between François Fillon and Emmanuel Macron?
As far as I know, Fillon is conservatic catholic, pro austerity and pro Russia, but I dont really know what Macron stands for

>Third, show me, good sir, the country where "representative" politics aren't a joke.
Trump will make America great again!

I was talking about the people who voted for a candidate and yet complain. All the fools who voted for Hollande and who are surprised he did nothing good. Of course abstentionists have the right to complain, I'm one of them in fact.

Also what happend in Britain is for once a representation of politics not being a joke. The people said "we don't want the EU", and their politics said "ok we'll leave the EU then". Look at what happened to us when we voted against the EU constitution, we said no, and yet the politics signed it anyway.

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This must be a french thing, same shit happens here usually, results are pre determined by people small talk and political correctness, voting on whatever is the most popular amongst friends and such

>Fillon is conservatic catholic,
Wrong, it's electoral to catch conservative votes
>pro austerity
True
>and pro Russia
Maybe true, but wrong, France will be always closer to America

>Emmanuel Macron?
Capitalist and pro USA

abstention will probably be around 20%, maybe 25% if people don't like the candidates.

any of them french?

More and more people are blasés about politic, I suspect it will be even higher. Wait and see.

No one knows what he stand for, his official position is literally some bullshit like "We are both left and right and we need to move together beyond the old political divisions".
youtube.com/watch?v=FX6e1mRhEPo
kek
He's probably on cocaine and having a power trip

Macron seems really similar to american democrats to me.

It's still hard to tell because Macron plan isn't really detailled.
But most likely the biggest difference is on immigration.
Fillion promessed to divided it by 4 from 200 000 a year to 50 000 and opt out / renegociate schengen to bring back borders while Macron is pro-immigration.

Since Macron is liberal he is more about structural change (for instance deleting the special status of public servant) while Fillon has a more classical approach (firing 500 000 public servants).

Also Macron is a federalist while Fillon wants more a minimal/functional europe.

>Fillion promessed to divided it by 4 from 200 000 a year to 50 000 and opt out / renegociate schengen to bring back borders
Didn't Sarkozy said the same thing 10 years ago?

How does this round system work? What's the purpose? What's the chance of anyone forming a coalition with FN or doesn't it work like that in France?

>we need to move together beyond the old political divisions
Translation: "We cannot let ideology stand in the way of capitalism."

Probably a closet authoritarian.

I fucking hate Fillon and Valls.
I like Hamon and Macron is alright, for now.
Whatever wait and see.

Presidential elections are always very popular. But if arabs don't go voting it will probably be higher (abstention was about 30%-40% in arabs neighbourhoods at the last presidential elections, I'm sure it will be around 60% this time)

Yeah he was talking about "immigration subit /choisit". But you know politics..

Though he didn't give numbers so it's harder to stay it was a complete lie.

what if Fillon wins the election and Marie Le Pen is to be premier ministre

would that mean a better France?

I heard Macron hasn't actually come out with policies, when do platforms get announced?

That would be very non-sensical, wouldn't it?

1st round : every candidate (people who got 500+ signatures from mayors)
the 2 most voted for move on to the 2nd turn and the most voted for becomes president

why i don't really know
i searched and they say that well it's a very old way to do it, and that it allows a number of small parties to ally rather than have 50/50 every time like in USA

no that won't happen everyone hates the fn for some reason, although if it ended up le pen/macron or le pen/valls sure some of fillon's voters would probably vote fn

Macron will be the one to destroy social security.
In 2027.

muh beyond left and right
muh new society liberty and shit

like any politician which is candidate in France he wrote a book about his ideas though.

i really don't understand why any of you guys would vote for anyone else than le pen

i mean sure she won't necessarily do much but everyone here hates arabs right, might as well throw in a protest vote and see whatever happens

So the second round is like the American elections except that the candidates are backed by multiple parties? As in they pre-form 2 coalitions that go head to head? Or does 1 party just win?
I'm sorry if these question are retarded but here the party with the most votes needs to form a government with others as to establish a majority iirc, so we're never ruled by 1 party

because she will destroy eu, turning us into a bunch of powerless vassal states of usa, russia and china

I'm gonna vote for her. I mean I don't really like her but she's the only one taking immigration problems seriously. Also I really want to see leftist being butthurt about her score

>like any politician which is candidate in France he wrote a book about his ideas though.
sounds like a good thing, even if the books are probably poorly made ego masturbation on paper

The issue isn't the presidential election.
It's more about the fact that she will never get a majority in the assemblée nationale hence no legislative power.

The FN is far too obessed with presidential election and neglect the legislative which is actually the most relevant one.

I assumed it works the same way like our senate elections:

It's about individual candidates, the party only "supports" him by promoting him.

The point is for majority of people to agree on person that is to take the office.

1st round: you can vote on 1 of many eligible candidates.

2nd round: you can vote on 1 of 2 most popular candidates from previous round to ensure that more than 50% votes want him in that office.

(additionally in event that a candidate wins 50% of vote in 1st round there is no 2nd round because clearly the majority has already spoken.)

>So the second round is like the American elections except that the candidates are backed by multiple parties?
Yes kind of

>As in they pre-form 2 coalitions that go head to head? Or does 1 party just win?
Well only one party wins but they make allainces and deals with each other, to give us such and such seats etc. For example last time socialists won, they made deals with communists and greens. Communists and greens ended up with some ministries once Hollande got elected.

They probably could get around 40-50 deputees.
Probably around 10-15 in Provence/Côte d'Azur and 10 in North, the rest in others regions

At first this fashion came out of copying De Gaulle's Mémoires, which is actually a great book.

Ah that makes sense, thanks for explaining. I guess that's the difference between a constitutional monarchy and a democracy. And now I see the difference with America.

Last question: can you vote for different people within 1 party or would it e.g. just be Le Pen on your ballot?

Only 1. There are primaries to choose first. In fact the primary for the left is tomorrow i think (?)

Yes it's tomorrow. Not every party do primaries tho'

Let's face it, in any given high-level election you have more or less two choices:
a) conservative authoritarians who fetishise Putin and have no real goals beyond bringing back 18th/19th century social dynamics
b) neoliberals who will deregulate and privatise whatever they can find and then jump ship to work for whoever profited from this

Primaries are not legally related to actual elections though, are they? They're exercise within party to determine who they are going to sponsor, or?

Yeah no i don't think they are part of the 'official process' and the constitution just an in-party thing

which one is merkel?

Wew ok that sounds pretty extreme. Thanks for explaining Jean-Pièrre

Democracy is a joke.

Those racist candidates are not my candidates, I vote for Tariq Ramadan

More of the latter.

voting is haram.

The Sharia is the onyl rule we need.

a) master race